Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Wroclaw]

And weirdly I have 2nd most posts, it seems, after being told on my arrival, by members of the side I am on, to leave, pronto. LOL.

Keep up the good work.

 

[000063]

Neither are or were historical topics.

Scientology is a widespread, powerful movement involving lots of money, and Hollywood's best and brightest. They've come into conflict with Anonymous, which was the first exposure of many people in the general publick to Anon., as well as their first exposure what web-based protests could really do.

And if you're denying that Marxism isn't a historical topic, you're hysterical.

 

[Saggy]

Many thanks carlitos. A quick glance at the list indicates the following stats for this particular baseball game:

deniers/revisionists/'fence-sitters' who aren't fooling anyone: 11 with 1213 posts, 2 now banned
conspiracy theorists who wandered in: 2 with 14 posts
non-deniers ('evil JREF skeptics'): 111, 1 now banned
mods: 2 with 2 posts

Now, unless the revisionists wish to claim a moon hoaxer and a self-confessed wind-up merchant as their full intellectual equals, the ratio of deniers to non-deniers is pretty clearly 10:1 on this thread. This might be considered an improvement from the old '9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust' thread, where the ratio was about 100:2 for most of its lifespan.

But I think the time is right to take stock and ask a serious question of the revs here, which is - what do you think you've achieved in this 3965 post thread? How many people do you think you've convinced? Will any lurker pipe up and confirm that they have been swayed by your arguments?

Or is this just about making people 'hopping mad', to quote one of your number?

The only interesting question to me is who got banned and why. Since you've done the leg work here why not tell us, in summary of course.

As for complaining about repetition, the facts don't change, so dragging them out every so often to remind the Zionists of how absolutely pathetic their hoax is is refreshing to me, and others I'll guess.

If you counted the idiotic insults coming from the Zionists and shabbos goys, they wound number in the thousands, literally I believe. Why not add them up to see just what a sorry group you're part of.

One reason for posting is just to remind the Jews that they haven't fooled everyone. No doubt, however, the effectiveness of the hoax is way beyond anything I can account for.

As to Van Pelt's Jewishness, I stand corrected. As for my pre'cis of Van Pelt's work, it's spot on, and anyone who reads the paper, Zionists and their sycophants excepted, will know it.

 

[LemmyCaution]

As to Van Pelt's Jewishness, I stand corrected.

Why, do you think, you made this assumption?

 

[uke2se]

The only interesting question to me is who got banned and why. Since you've done the leg work here why not tell us, in summary of course.

As for complaining about repetition, the facts don't change, so dragging them out every so often to remind the Zionists of how absolutely pathetic their hoax is is refreshing to me, and others I'll guess.

If you counted the idiotic insults coming from the Zionists and shabbos goys, they wound number in the thousands, literally I believe. Why not add them up to see just what a sorry group you're part of.

One reason for posting is just to remind the Jews that they haven't fooled everyone. No doubt, however, the effectiveness of the hoax is way beyond anything I can account for.

As to Van Pelt's Jewishness, I stand corrected. As for my pre'cis of Van Pelt's work, it's spot on, and anyone who reads the paper, Zionists and their sycophants excepted, will know it.

Why do you insist on equating the words "Jew" and "Zionist" when you on multiple occasions have been told that they are not the same thing? Do you get off on lying?

Also, the Jews haven't fooled anyone because they didn't set out to do so. The vast majority of the world accept the historical facts around the holocaust. You belong to a small, irrelevant and hopefully shrinking, hate filled minority of people, so deranged that they confuse historical facts with ideology, and that are trying to white wash the Nazi atrocities in World War II in order to present Nazism as a respectable ideology. You will not succeed in this. The world took you down once. If you stick your heads up, it will happen again.

 

[Saggy]

Why, do you think, you made this assumption?

Van Pelt? Doesnt' sound Jewish to me.

 

[uke2se]

Van Pelt? Doesnt' sound Jewish to me.

Maybe that's because you know absolutely nothing about any of the subjects you pretend to discuss?

Yep, that's it.

 

[Wroclaw]

I'm pretty sure I recall RJvP being half-Jewish, but I can't recall which half. I think his mother.

 

[Craig4]

Van Pelt? Doesnt' sound Jewish to me.

Yet again, nothing to offer but meaningless, biased incredulity. Why do you even participate? This topic deserves better than what passes for scholarship with you.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Van Pelt? Doesnt' sound Jewish to me.

That's all well and good, that the name Van Pelt doesn't fit your preconception, but I was referring, somewhat less than clearly, to the boldfaced part of your assertion as well:

Instead, as one of the few academic shabbos goys willing to prostitute himself in the service of Zionism, he is a 'respected scholar'.

So . . . prostituting himself to Zionism? Your basis for this?

 

[Nick Terry]

As for complaining about repetition, the facts don't change, so dragging them out every so often to remind the Zionists of how absolutely pathetic their hoax is is refreshing to me, and others I'll guess.

Would any lurkers who find Saggy's repetitious posting "refreshing" please speak up now...

 

[Saggy]

Still nothing worth while from Saggy then. Couldn't you at least try to defend your ridiculous position?

Defend my position? Love to.

The holohoax is the most degenerate hoax the world has ever seen. And, it's easy to see... here is the evidence ...

1. The Jews were claiming 6,000,000 Jews were being systematically exterminated by the Russians in 1906. This was published in the New York Times, the US paper of record.

2. The Jews claimed many times there was a holohoax in WW ONE, this is documented in a book by Don Heddesheimer, "The First Holohoax, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims during WW I.

3. The 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes.

4. The Auschwitz records reveal that more Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews, and that the total number of deaths was on the order of 100,000. A stone plaque at Auschwitz claimed that 4 million had died there.

5. Simon Wisenthal admitted that the he made up the number of non-Jewish holohoax victims, 5 million, out of thin air.

Etc., etc., you get the idea. The holohoax is a pack of obvious degenerate lies.

 

[Nick Terry]

Tell us, Saggy, who is right about the Vergasungskeller document, Samuel Crowell or Carlo Mattogno, or do you want to confess that you haven't read what either of these guys wrote about the subject?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Among this piffle--nothing in Saggy's post presents any evidence that the Holocaust did not occur (hint: repeating the word degenerate with urgency does not make the claim of degneration true). But this one grabbed my attention more than the others:

3. The 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes.

When someone asks you to defend a point you feel is obvious, and you answer that the point is obvious, you have really failed miserably. Saggy was asked--let's check for the exact wording--

Couldn't you at least try to defend your ridiculous position?

and instead he simply repeated his position, inflating the ridiculousness of it.

 

[uke2se]

Defend my position? Love to.

The holohoax is the most degenerate hoax the world has ever seen. And, it's easy to see... here is the evidence ...

1. The Jews were claiming 6,000,000 Jews were being systematically exterminated by the Russians in 1906. This was published in the New York Times, the US paper of record.

Dealt with earlier. Also not evidence that the holocaust is a hoax.

2. The Jews claimed many times there was a holohoax in WW ONE, this is documented in a book by Don Heddesheimer, "The First Holohoax, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims during WW I.

No such book exists. There is a book by Don Heddesheimer called "The First Holocaust..." which, as far as unbiased reviewers claim, is a bunch of revisionist lies and assumptions. Good source.

3. The 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes.

Not evidence, pure ignorance.

4. The Auschwitz records reveal that more Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews, and that the total number of deaths was on the order of 100,000. A stone plaque at Auschwitz claimed that 4 million had died there.

Already dealt with. Stop lying.

5. Simon Wisenthal admitted that the he made up the number of non-Jewish holohoax victims, 5 million, out of thin air.

Stop lying.

Etc., etc., you get the idea. The holohoax is a pack of obvious degenerate lies.

If only you had any evidence (not made up) that supported this. Unfortunately for you, you don't, and you can be dismissed as yet another failure in a long list of failures from the Nazi "movement".

 

[Saggy]

Tell us, Saggy, who is right about the Vergasungskeller document, Samuel Crowell or Carlo Mattogno, or do you want to confess that you haven't read what either of these guys wrote about the subject?

I read a bunch of stuff about that document and posted on it in another thread. Wait ... now there is no other thread.... LOL... Must be some place in this thread.

Tell me, why do you repeat the same absurd arguments, over and over?

Here's the deal, you could produce a 10-karat blueprint of the Auschwitz gas extermination chamber with complete detail ....

wait a minute, they do have the building plans for the crematoriums.

But, what I was going to say, you can produce all the blueprints you want, but the freaking crematorium, at least the hoax gas chamber part, is still right there. It can be examined. The notion that it is a 'homicidal gas chamber' is a degenerate lie, none like it in the history of humanity. The Jews and their sycophants will never outlive these lies. Get it?

 

[LemmyCaution]

4. The Auschwitz records reveal that more Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews, and that the total number of deaths was on the order of 100,000. A stone plaque at Auschwitz claimed that 4 million had died there.

This one is pretty funny, too, for anyone who knows about recordkeeping at Auschwitz. Saggy's point is taken from a common denier gambit--found at Rense, IHR and other denier sites. Here is a description of how Auschwitz death records worked, which deniers have never been able to refute:

The Death Books (Totenbücher) compiled the death certificates of those prisoners who were registered, tattooed and died in Auschwitz between July 29, 1941 and December 31, 1943. Although several volumes did not survive the war, 46 of them had been kept by the Gestapo office in Auschwitz and were released from Russian archives in 1989. Each volume is a collection of hundreds of death certificates. As they record only those prisoners who were chosen for slave labor rather than immediate death, they do not list the nearly one million Jewish men, women and children who were sent directly to the gas chambers from the transports. These people were sometimes not even counted.

The death certificates record the date of issue, first and last names, date, time and place of death, date and place of birth and cause of death. The cause of death was apparently often fictitious. In January 1945, when the Russians liberated Auschwitz they took the Auschwitz Death Books back with them to Moscow where their existence was unknown until they were released in 1989 for use by researchers. In 1991 they were repatriated to the Auschwitz Museum. Deniers say that since the death books only list 69,000 people, they prove that Auschwitz was never a killing center, much less the place where over a million Jews lost their lives.

http://hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/deathbooks

If Saggy wants, we can begin discussing transports, and thus numbers of Jews, brought to Auschwitz. He should, however, first give his answer to Nick's question about the Vergasungskeller document, and whether he believes Samuel Crowell or Carlo Mattogno to be right about it. Instead of, you know, trying, but failing, to be funny about it. And throwing in another degenerate and raising it a sycophant. And trying to pass all this off as serious discussion.

 

[uke2se]

But, what I was going to say, you can produce all the blueprints you want, but the freaking crematorium, at least the hoax gas chamber part, is still right there. It can be examined. The notion that it is a 'homicidal gas chamber' is a degenerate lie, none like it in the history of humanity. The Jews and their sycophants will never outlive these lies. Get it?

Yes we get it. You have absolutely no evidence to back up any of your many wild and retarded assertions. We got that pretty fast, Nazi. The only question remaining is why you keep posting here. Everything you have ever said here has been roundly debunked by people infinitely smarter than you. If I were you I would feel humiliated and retreat back to a Nazi board were people don't question insane beliefs.

 

[Saggy]

But this one (the hoax gas chambers) grabbed my attention more than the others:When someone asks you to defend a point you feel is obvious, and you answer that the point is obvious, you have really failed miserably.

The hoax gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes for any number of reasons, but one will suffice, they both have large unbarred plate glass windows.

 

[uke2se]

The Holocaust has little to with the past. It has to do with enabling Zionists and their neocon henchmen to get away with anything.

No, the holocaust was the systematic murder of European Jewry before and during WWII. Do you see how you are confusing history with ideology?

Of course not.

By the way, the neocons aren't in power anymore. Stop living in 2006.