Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Mondial]

David Cole ( who has recanted and is no longer a holocaust denier)
I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War II, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable...

Do you agree with David Cole?

David Cole has stated that the above recantation came about because of death threats from the terrorist JDL see www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html He also suffered violent physical assault by zionist thugs. He was looking after an elderly relative and in order to assure their safety he made a public apology after his home address was made public by JDL. After the relative died he stated that his recantation was made due to the death threats. He said he still supports the findings of his documentary on Auschwitz www.holocaustdenialvideos.com but he is no longer a revisionist activist because he still faces threats of violence.

 

[Saggy]

There is only one incontrovertible piece of real physical evidence for the holohoax, and that is the chutes in the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber. That is, there are no bodies showing signs of gas poisoning, no mass graves, no 'gas chambers' that don't have other possible uses, i.e., that aren't fumigation rooms or shower rooms. There is only one possible use for the chutes in the Auschwitz gas chamber, and that is to toss in Zyklon to kill Jews. That is why the Cole video is so significant, it revealed that the single piece of real physical evidence for the holocaust was a fabrication, a total hoax.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

David Cole has stated that the above recantation came about because of death threats from the terrorist JDL see www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html

You are lying.
1)The 1993 Mark Weber article you linked says "On January 22, 1992, revisionist activist David Cole was attacked by JDL thugs at a meeting held at the University of California at Los Angeles. Before the meeting began, JDL leader Rubin first tried to push the youthful Cole down a flight of stairs".
2) This is before David Cole recanted and he made further holocaust denial statements after this date.
3) David Cole's recant, that I linked is dated 2nd of January 1998.

He said he still supports the findings of his documentary on Auschwitz. http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com

You are lying again
This video was issued in 1992 five years before David Cole recanted. He doesn't mention his future recant at all. However in 1998 David Cole directly mentions the 1992 video you linked and said "And just as I must set the record straight concerning my views, it is also incumbent on me to set the record straight regarding the video "documentaries" and media appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "documentaries" are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/cole.recants

Because you are a holocaust denier you directly lied to try supply your cult some credibility. You have done the opposite. You have confirmed that holocaust deniers are liars.

 

[Clayton Moore]

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What the heck is RODOH?

 

[Clayton Moore]

I noted that the quotations came from deniers' posts on Rodoh. I also linked to one post that used graphics in a weak and sick attempt at humor. Go there and see for yourself.

Further, as to your claim that deniers never talk about punishing non-deniers, on Rodoh one of those quoted -- the same nitwit wishing Jared Loughner had finished the job, so to speak -- has threatened non-deniers with his blethering about the Day of the Rope when, he imagines, his lot are in a position to carry out such threats.

The lying and distortions, failure to give evidence-based responses, and empty claims advanced in place of discourse give your game away, as having nothing whatsoever to do with revising and enriching the historical narrative. And this is before we get to the statements I quoted, and which pepper Rodoh, which reveal the malice and agenda of your ilk.

I would think that type of free wheeling with quotes would be in violation of forum rules.

 

[MG1962]

There is only one incontrovertible piece of real physical evidence for the holohoax, and that is the chutes in the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber. That is, there are no bodies showing signs of gas poisoning, no mass graves, no 'gas chambers' that don't have other possible uses, i.e., that aren't fumigation rooms or shower rooms. There is only one possible use for the chutes in the Auschwitz gas chamber, and that is to toss in Zyklon to kill Jews. That is why the Cole video is so significant, it revealed that the single piece of real physical evidence for the holocaust was a fabrication, a total hoax.

Single piece huh?

 

[Clayton Moore]

You are lying.
1)The 1993 Mark Weber article you linked says "On January 22, 1992, revisionist activist David Cole was attacked by JDL thugs at a meeting held at the University of California at Los Angeles. Before the meeting began, JDL leader Rubin first tried to push the youthful Cole down a flight of stairs".
2) This is before David Cole recanted and he made further holocaust denial statements after this date.
3) David Cole's recant, that I linked is dated 2nd of January 1998.


You are lying again
This video was issued in 1992 five years before David Cole recanted. He doesn't mention his future recant at all. However in 1998 David Cole directly mentions the 1992 video you linked and said "And just as I must set the record straight concerning my views, it is also incumbent on me to set the record straight regarding the video "documentaries" and media appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "documentaries" are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/cole.recants

Because you are a holocaust denier you directly lied to try supply your cult some credibility. You have done the opposite. You have confirmed that holocaust deniers are liars.

You want to explain why you expect someone to mention a recantation 5 years before it happened?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You want to explain why you expect someone to mention a recantation 5 years before it happened?

I didn't. Mondial the holocaust denier did.

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[kageki]

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Any of them come from real historians -- you know, the ones that research and write about actual historical events, having learned (by virtue of their training and experience) that not all stories are of equal historical value?

Or does the fact that many people *still* believe that George Washington chopped down that cherry tree and tossed a silver dollar across the Potomac (neither of which are true) mean that there never was a first President of the United States?
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The point is that lies were being told.

This will be believer bingo#1.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

What the heck is RODOH?

RODOH is a forum started by someone called Scott Smith for conventional historians, holocaust deniers and members of the public to debate various aspects of the Holocaust. You will notice that many members of RODOH also post in this JREF subforum. I have no idea who moderates this forum. It is my understanding that Scott Smith is a holocaust denier.

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/forums/60/Holocaust-Genocide-Discussion-and-Debate

You should also be aware of the Holocaust Controversies forum.

http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

Then it does not actually say it is a reconstruction, does it?

There are two signs adjacent to each other outside the -poorly- restored gas chamber and crematorium. One sign has a floor plan showing where doors and walls used to be during two phases of the buildings existence, the other sign has a brief summary from the history of the building and its uses within the Auschwitz complex.
English text:

Before the war this building was a munition bunker. From 15 August 1940 to July 1943 the SS used it as crematorium. In the autumn of 1941, the largest room, which had been designed by the camp authorities as a morgue, was adapted for use as an improvised gas chamber, the first of its kind in Auschwitz. Using gas produced by pellets Zyklon B, many thousands of Jews were murdered here by the SS within hours of their arrival at Auschwitz. Several groups of Soviet POWs were also murdered here in this way, as were sick prisoners whose return to work was considered unlikely. Poles from outside the camp who had been sentenced to death by the German summary court were shot here.
After the establishment in Auschwitz II-Birkenau of two more improvised gas chambers in spring and summer of 1942 for the mass murder of the Jews, the gassings here were gradually stopped. Later, with the completion in Auschwitz II-Birkenau of four purpose built gas chambers with crematoria, the burning of corpses here was also stopped (July 1943). The building was subsequently utilized for storage, and then as an air-raid shelter for the SS. The incinerators, chimney, and some of the walls were dismantled, and the holes in the roof through the SS had poured Zyklon B were sealed.

After the war, the museum partially reconstructed the gas chamber and crematorium. The chimney and two incinerators were rebuilt using original components, as were several of the openings in the gas chamber roof.

 

[TSR]

The point is that lies were being told.

This will be believer bingo#1.

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ZOMG! There never was such a thing as the Medal of Honour!!! Or maybe the US just has never gone to war.

It goes deeper! There never was an airline named Pan American World Airways, universities named Columbia, Brigham Young, or Harvard. No doctors at all in Georgia nor an Attorney General in Louisiana -- never have been. This year's Tony Awards were also faked.

There's isn't a Moon, either.
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[Bluespaceoddity]

There is no doubt that it was the intent of the Nazis to kill the Jews in their custody. Their slimy piece of crap leader himself wrote that "the Jews are a race, but not a human race." Thus, there was, officially, no requirement that they be treated as humans. They existed only for the benefit of the Reich, and only so long as they were able to work for nothing to enrich the Reich. That any number of them died of typhus is not exculpatory, since they would not have been exposed to typhus had they not been treated like animals. The money and goods confiscated from them couldl have been used to feed them, but was not, so any snivelling about their dying of starvation is just another pathetic attempt to evade prosecution and is NOT exculpatory.

They were, from Krystal Nacht onward, victims of a crime, and any executions of Jews resisting or escaping from interment is an aggravating act, and is in no wayt exculpatory.

Hitler apologists are apologizing for and attempting to ameliorate mass murder, nothing more. That is really sick.

But, were the deniers just sick, that would be better than what I suspect is their real reason for raising the issue.

Some of the sick puppies want to do it again. Theyt want to help polish up the image of the Nazis among us today, to pass them off as just "patriots with a strange point of view," maybe to suggest that it would not be such a bad thing if they were allowed to build a whites-only "homeland" somewhere.

Over my dead body and a few of theirs.

Deniers are giving aid and comfort to an evil that nearly destroyed civilization, and which just might try it again if they are not slapped down as the undesireable scum they are.

I shall continue to call that turd a turd, regardless how much air freshener the deniers spray on it.

Give me one good reason that we should dismiss the accepted history backed by eye witnesses because a group of terrorist sympathizers has what they call "research" at hand.

Has one been provided since you wrote this? I didn't see one.

 

[madrappa]

Holocaust denial is really hard to understand. lots of people think its being denied completely when its just arguing about the severity of it

 

[Clayton Moore]

The point is that lies were being told.

This will be believer bingo#1.

Today's two most influential and most revered Holocaustics are pathological liars.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Holocaust denial is really hard to understand. lots of people think its being denied completely when its just arguing about the severity of it

The Holocaust myth has great value. It's exposure as a scam would be catastrophic for the Holocaust industry.

 

[Clayton Moore]

RODOH is a forum started by someone called Scott Smith for conventional historians, holocaust deniers and members of the public to debate various aspects of the Holocaust. You will notice that many members of RODOH also post in this JREF subforum. I have no idea who moderates this forum. It is my understanding that Scott Smith is a holocaust denier.

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/forums/60/Holocaust-Genocide-Discussion-and-Debate

You should also be aware of the Holocaust Controversies forum.

http://holocaustcontroversies.yuku.com/

No thanks. "Kicking tail and taking names" here is sufficient.

 

[Chaos]

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ZOMG! There never was such a thing as the Medal of Honour!!! Or maybe the US just has never gone to war.

It goes deeper! There never was an airline named Pan American World Airways, universities named Columbia, Brigham Young, or Harvard. No doctors at all in Georgia nor an Attorney General in Louisiana -- never have been. This year's Tony Awards were also faked.

There's isn't a Moon, either.
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Not to mention that deniers could not possibly prove a single alleged Allied war crime to the same standards that they demand for the Holocaust.

Let´s take the bombing of Dresden for example.

The city? Looks perfectly intact now.

Rubble? Nowhere to be found.

Bombs? Nowhere to be found.

The alleged bomber aircraft allegedly used for the alleged bombing? Nowhere to be found.

The alleged victims of the alleged bombing? Lying, of course.

The alleged Allied servicemen allegedly admitting the alleged bombing? Of course they were tortured by the Nazis into admitting, and were being harassed by fascist Nazi thugs.

Therefore... no bombing of Dresden... or of any other German city, for that matter. At least that´s what the Holocaust Deniers would have to claim, if they were intellectually honest.

 

[kageki]

Not to mention that deniers could not possibly prove a single alleged Allied war crime to the same standards that they demand for the Holocaust.

Let´s take the bombing of Dresden for example.

The city? Looks perfectly intact now.

Rubble? Nowhere to be found.

Bombs? Nowhere to be found.

The alleged bomber aircraft allegedly used for the alleged bombing? Nowhere to be found.

The alleged victims of the alleged bombing? Lying, of course.

The alleged Allied servicemen allegedly admitting the alleged bombing? Of course they were tortured by the Nazis into admitting, and were being harassed by fascist Nazi thugs.

Therefore... no bombing of Dresden... or of any other German city, for that matter. At least that´s what the Holocaust Deniers would have to claim, if they were intellectually honest.

There are pictures of the aftermath and probably tons of documents related to it.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I would think that type of free wheeling with quotes would be in violation of forum rules.

You can't deal with the fact that the accusation you made against me is false, and that neo-Nazi swill and antisemitism are pervasive amongst deniers, so now you are hiding behind a novel interpretation of the membership agreement in which you add in a "free wheeling" clause.

Or when you say you "would like to think" is that more of your denier fantasy world, in which, contrary to all evidence and reason, you "would like to think" the Holocaust didn't occur, and so choose to?

Do you not believe that the quotations are accurate, and that they come from deniers?

Go to Rodoh and see for yourself: http://rodohforum.yuku.com/directory