Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Saggy]

Give me one good reason that we should dismiss the accepted history backed by eye witnesses because a group of terrorist sympathizers has what they call "research" at hand.

OK, here's one - the 'gas chamber' shown to visitors at Auscwitz every day is an obvious hoax, it has unsealed tyical wooden office style doors, one with a large plate glass window. Any fool can see that it is a complete hoax. The Russians built chutes in the ceiling after the war to make the room look like a gas chamber, but a more pitiful hoax cannot be imagined. Yet, it sells to the mindless who have been propagandized for 60 years. You can see photos at scrapbookpages.com. You can learn about the Soviet installed chutes by googling David Cole interviews Frantisek Piper.

So, there is one good reason. There are plenty more, but the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber is the whole hoax in a nutshell. If you understand it, you understand everything.

 

[Craig4]

So, there is one good reason. There are plenty more, but the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber is the whole hoax in a nutshell. If you understand it, you understand everything.

You're right about one thing. If you understand the gas chamber at Auschwitz you understand the Holocaust. If you get how it works then you can grasp the mechanization of murder.

This lesson is beyond your capacity to grasp.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I take extreme exception to the suggestion that Pygmies are on the same intellectual level as Clayton

I stand corrected. Poor choice of word, although I used the word in its adjectival, generic meaning, number three as below --

Pyg·my
[pig-mee]
noun, plural -mies, adjective
–noun
1. Anthropology .
a. a member of a small-statured people*native to equatorial Africa.
b. a Negrito of southeastern Asia, or of the*Andaman or Philippine islands.
2. ( lowercase ) a small or dwarfish person.
3. ( lowercase ) anything very small of its kind.

still, your point is well taken. I should not have used a word that denigrates a group of people and compares Clayton Moore to the denigrated group but rather written something more specific to Clayton Moore like "***** for brains."

 

[LemmyCaution]

OK, here's one - the 'gas chamber' shown to visitors at Auscwitz every day is an obvious hoax, it has unsealed tyical wooden office style doors, one with a large plate glass window. Any fool can see that it is a complete hoax. The Russians built chutes in the ceiling after the war to make the room look like a gas chamber, but a more pitiful hoax cannot be imagined. Yet, it sells to the mindless who have been propagandized for 60 years. You can see photos at scrapbookpages.com. You can learn about the Soviet installed chutes by googling David Cole interviews Frantisek Piper.

So, there is one good reason. There are plenty more, but the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber is the whole hoax in a nutshell. If you understand it, you understand everything.

Have you turned your fire power on the obvious hoax that is sustained by Plimoth Plantation in Massachusetts, a replica of the so-called actual settlement, and the Mayflower II, similarly a replica or reconstruction or artist's rendering, both of which draw gullible tourists in great numbers every year? These hoaxed constructions put across the crazed notion that English colonists traversed the Atlantic in small ships during the seventeenth century to establish new homes in the Americas. An entire complex of buildings and "first person interpreters," located in Plymouth, MA, intended to confuse matters with whatever was in fact in the original original place at the time, is another pitiful edifice of lies. The structures of this "living museum" in obvious hoaxster style mimic the styles of 1600s but were concocted in the 1950s to fool tourists and promote mindless propagandizing about American greatness, liberal values, religious tolerance, the story of freedom, and the rest of the lies the hoaxsters defend.

 

[MG1962]

still, your point is well taken. I should not have used a word that denigrates a group of people and compares Clayton Moore to the denigrated group but rather written something more specific to Clayton Moore like "***** for brains."

I withdraw my objection, however you might be hearing from som bacteria support groups over that insult

 

[MG1962]

OK, here's one - the 'gas chamber' shown to visitors at Auscwitz every day is an obvious hoax, it has unsealed tyical wooden office style doors, one with a large plate glass window. Any fool can see that it is a complete hoax. The Russians built chutes in the ceiling after the war to make the room look like a gas chamber, but a more pitiful hoax cannot be imagined. Yet, it sells to the mindless who have been propagandized for 60 years. You can see photos at scrapbookpages.com. You can learn about the Soviet installed chutes by googling David Cole interviews Frantisek Piper.

So, there is one good reason. There are plenty more, but the Auschwitz hoax gas chamber is the whole hoax in a nutshell. If you understand it, you understand everything.

So let me get this right - You base your entire argument on the words of a tour guide, her supervisor and an archivest?

Great job, why hasn't Cole interviewed Robert Jan van Pelt

But I will leave you with a little thought

"When someone tells that Auschwitz is a lie, that it is a hoax, I feel hesitation to say much to him. I say, the facts are so firmly determined, that one cannot have any doubt at all, and I stop talking to that person because it has no use. One knows that anyone who clings to such things, which are published somewhere, is a malevolent person who has some personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."

Dr.Hans-Wilhelm Münch, former SS doctor in Auschwitz.

 

[Wroclaw]

I don't see the relationship between two houses' worth of ashes and pit cremations. What the witnesses say doesn't matter when analysing what is technically possible.

Wrong. What they said does matter.

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine. I say that eyewitness reports don't matter when considering what is physically and technically possible. Or would you like to tell me that I somehow miscalculated the ash totals?

I know you would like to run from their ridiculous statements, but the record is clear, which makes you an 'eyewitness" denier.

Whatever. Are you always so rude?

The thoroughly refuted and laughable "eyewitness" statements claim enormous amounts of ash which cannot be shown to exist, Pizzaman. Simple as that. I seriously doubt if your attempted deflection to house sizes will be useful in showing the world the massive amounts of human ashes which are claimed by the Holocaust Industry and the lying "eyewitnesses".

Please tell me if I miscalculated the ash totals.

"They [the Sonderkommando men] put them [the corpses] in front of graves about 20m long, 3m wide and 2.50m.

There were about ten graves ready to receive the martyrs. Parallel to these open graves there were some that had been covered with earth and these extended over about 300 meters […]"

Witness Buki stated :[9]

"We took the trolleys to a grave about 40 meters long and I think about 6 meters wide [240 m2], which was about 100 meters away from the house."

Witness Garbarz said:[10]

"We saw big rectangles traced on the ground twenty or thirty meters wide by fifty or 60 meters long. In one of these rectangles the ground was stained red."

I challenge you to show us the ashes as alleged, Pizzaman.

- Hannover

Those are body totals, not ash totals. Please learn the difference. Give me the ash allegations and we'll go from there.

 

[Wroclaw]

Those are body totals, not ash totals. Please learn the difference.

Wrong. According to the "eyewitnesses", these 'bodies' were supposedly cremated in alleged massive pits*. It is you who should learn the difference.
Read: http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/GaertnerRademacher3-12.html

* and not 'thrown into a river'.

Try and keep up.

- Hannover

Zimmerman addressed this

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

As has Mühlenkamp.

And Hydrokop's study at Auschwitz in the sixties located ash at several locations in Birkenau.

 

[Saggy]

So let me get this right - You base your entire argument on the words of a tour guide, her supervisor and an archivest?

No 'argument' is required, the 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz is a hoax on observation. Just as is the hoax gas chamber at Majdanek. And these are the only two 'gas chambers' in existence.

My task is not to convince anyone that the holocaust is a hoax, my task is to get leftysargent or anyone interested to look at the hoax gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek, by that I mean look at the pictures of these hoax gas chambers posted on the internet. Both have large unbarred plate glass windows. No further argument is required.

The fact that the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes has immediate implications .... first and foremost that holohoax promoters are liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

 

[LemmyCaution]

No 'argument' is required, the 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz is a hoax on observation. Just as is the hoax gas chamber at Majdanek. And these are the only two 'gas chambers' in existence.

My task is not to convince anyone that the holocaust is a hoax, my task is to get leftysargent or anyone interested to look at the hoax gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek, by that I mean look at the pictures of these hoax gas chambers posted on the internet. Both have large unbarred plate glass windows. No further argument is required.

The fact that the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes has immediate implications .... first and foremost that holohoax promoters are liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

You are so confused one doesn't know where to start . . .

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

No 'argument' is required, the 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz is a hoax on observation. Just as is the hoax gas chamber at Majdanek. And these are the only two 'gas chambers' in existence.

The gas chamber in Dachau was already presented to you and is nearly in it's orginal state.

It's funny, that you accuse every eyewitness of lying (with no evidence at all) but at same time you are quite a liar yourself.

My task is not to convince anyone that the holocaust is a hoax, my task is to get leftysargent or anyone interested to look at the hoax gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek, by that I mean look at the pictures of these hoax gas chambers posted on the internet. Both have large unbarred plate glass windows. No further argument is required.

Really, and I always thought your trying to look so stupid, that nobody would care for the rest of the arguments the denier morons presented us. Because if that would be the case, you would be quite successful.

For Krema I at Auschwitz:
Just repeating the strawman (="This is a gas chamber in it's original state." --> no historian says that) doesn't change the fact, that it was a gas chamber til 1943, when it was tranformed into an air raid shelter and later reconstructed to the state of the gas chamber (which I admit isn't perfect).

In fact, this thing is right in front of Krema I and informs visitors, that it's a reconsruction:

(on the left is the original state as a gas chamber and on the right is the reconstruction and as you can see, all doors have changed their position. There was no door out of wood or glass, when it functioned as a gas chamber)

But that doesn't stop you from lying.

And for the gas chamber at Majdanek we can assume similar, but here the gas chamber was probably later used as a delousing gas chamber and modified for this purpose. (Which is my personal opinion based on the presence of prussian blue.)

Also you "forgot" the other two homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek which worked with CO or CO and Zyklon B. Tell me, why would the nazis store CO in huge bottles?

The fact that the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes has immediate implications .... first and foremost that holohoax promoters are liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

Even if true, it doesn't mean, that all other gas chambers are fakes. God, this mix of ad hominem and slippery slope is so *********** stupid.

But hey, keep it going, you are actually the best thing to protect others from believing the nonsense of holocaust deniers.

 

[MG1962]

No 'argument' is required, the 'gas chamber' at Auschwitz is a hoax on observation. Just as is the hoax gas chamber at Majdanek. And these are the only two 'gas chambers' in existence

Then why is it you seem to be among the few that doesn't know of the work that has been going on at the site since 1953

My task is not to convince anyone that the holocaust is a hoax,

Sorry your simple prouncement that this is fact has no value to anyone outside the sphere of your own ego

my task is to get leftysargent or anyone interested to look at the hoax gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek

People have looked at it. They see a memorial to the deaths that occured there. From an archaeological point of view the site is on the verge of complete collapse. There have been cobbled repairs for 50 years trying to hold it together.

by that I mean look at the pictures of these hoax gas chambers posted on the internet. Both have large unbarred plate glass windows. No further argument is required.

And feel free to show us your credentials to draw these conclusions

The fact that the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Majdanek are obvious hoaxes has immediate implications ....

By obvious I am assuming you mean only to those with the superior intellect to see through such lies

first and foremost that holohoax promoters are liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

A statement even funnier when weighed against the fact that the only real revision of facts and proof of people attempting to hoax the Holocaust has come from those most in need to maintain the status quo.

Who reduced the death toll at the camp from 4 million to 1.1 million? Certainly not Irving or any of his grubby band

 

[Saggy]

Then why is it you seem to be among the few that doesn't know of the work that has been going on at the site since 1953

None of your idiotic comments makes a bit of difference, as anyone who takes the time to look critically at the photos of the morgue room at Auschwitz, presented to the world as a 'homicidal gas chamber', will realize it is an absurd hoax, obvious on its face, and that anyone who claims otherwise is either a liar or a fool.

Who reduced the death toll at the camp from 4 million to 1.1 million? Certainly not Irving or any of his grubby band

Both figures are made up out of thin air. The 4 mill was reduced to 1.1 mill when the Soviets released the captured Nazi documents which show the actual number of ALL victims to be on the order of 100,000 with more Roman Catholic victims than Jews. See, for example, ....http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8

HTH

 

[dafydd]

None of your idiotic comments makes a bit of difference, as anyone who takes the time to look critically at the photos of the morgue room at Auschwitz, presented to the world as a 'homicidal gas chamber', will realize it is an absurd hoax, obvious on its face, and that anyone who claims otherwise is either a liar or a fool.



Both figures are made up out of thin air. The 4 mill was reduced to 1.1 mill when the Soviets released the captured Nazi documents which show the actual number of ALL victims to be on the order of 100,000 with more Roman Catholic victims than Jews. See, for example, ....http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8

HTH

The point is that the camps shouldn't have been there in the first place. The death of one Jew would have been one too much. I suppose that you think that the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

 

[Mondial]

The point is that the camps shouldn't have been there in the first place. The death of one Jew would have been one too much. I suppose that you think that the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

At Holocaust Denial Videos www.holocaustdenialvideos.com (this website has the David Cole doco on Auschwitz) the Manifesto states "I advocate kindness and good vibes toward all Jewish people." Proof that the claim that all holocaust deniers are Jew haters is a lie.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Who reduced the death toll at the camp from 4 million to 1.1 million? Certainly not Irving or any of his grubby band

The magnificent lie.

When 4 million + X = 6 million


becomes


1.1 million + X = 6 million

 

[Clayton Moore]

The point is that the camps shouldn't have been there in the first place. The death of one Jew would have been one too much. I suppose that you think that the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

That's called hiding the goalposts.

 

[MG1962]

Both figures are made up out of thin air. The 4 mill was reduced to 1.1 mill when the Soviets released the captured Nazi documents which show the actual number of ALL victims to be on the order of 100,000 with more Roman Catholic victims than Jews. See, for example, ....http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8

HTH

The lack of logic in your statement is stunning - Why forge two sets of documents? And your moral outrage at the claim of gas chambers while it seems fine to reduce people to less than 230 calories a day while working as slaves is absolutely okay. I have had windshields less transparent than your motives

 

[MG1962]

That's called hiding the goalposts.

Only to someone of your calibre

 

[TSR]

The magnificent lie.

When 4 million + X = 6 million


becomes


1.1 million + X = 6 million

.
Except for the teeny tiny fact that no one ever used the 4M at Auschwitz to figure the 6M overall death toll.

Just like no one has ever documented a single lie on THHP, or presented Krege's raw data (let alone a finished report).

Of course, that doesn't stop you from displaying your ideologically driven need to assert differently.

Nor does it stop Saggy from ignoring the gas chambers at Dachau, or Rudolf from ignoring the implications of having spent months and months defending Leuchter, only to run away with the admission that chemistry is "not the science" that would disprove the Auschwitz gas chambers, or Graf from ignoring footnotes or your ignoring Nordling's convenient ignorance of 6 camps each of which had death tolls in the six-digits or ...

Well, you get the idea.
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