Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Wroclaw]

I guess the difference would be that they, the gas chambers, never existed and that the THREE leaders didn't want their descendants and history to prove them liars.

Let's play a game.

I tell you there was a building in Poland during WWII. That one room in this building was a gas chamber.

You ask me how I know this.

I say that there are nearly seventy witnesses who have identified this room as a gas chamber, and those people have said the same things over seventy years on at least four continents, and that the people saying that came from both the perpetrators and the survivors.

You tell me eyewitness testimony can't be trusted.

So I tell you that there are also documents that indicate that this room was a gas chamber, as well as a few other documents that wouldn't make sense unless the room was a gas chamber used in the manner the witnesses had said, e.g., there's an undressing room next to what is labeled "the morgue" on the blueprints.

You say they're forged documents.

So I tell you that they've also tested the walls of that room for exposure to hydrogen cyanide, and that it's clear the room had more cyanide exposure than if it had been fumigated a single time -- as the record indicated -- but less than if it had been used on a regular basis as a fumigation chamber. In fact, I tell you, the levels are consistent with it having been used as a gas chamber, with gassings running between fifteen minutes and a half hour, followed by removal of the gas with ventilation. Which is how the witnesses have said it was used.

And you say whatever you were going to say because you people are apparently incapable of learning.

You are clearly not thinking too critically if you find the memoirs argument that compelling. As if politicians would be concerned about people knowing they'd lied. Churchill based his entire career on lies.

Did you honestly think that gambit was going to impress us? What are you, twelve?

 

[Wroclaw]

Incidentally:

Eisenhower, Dwight D. Crusade for Peace: Eisenhower's Presidential Legacy, with the Program for Action. Philadelphia, PA, Lexington Pub, 1962. 243 p.
Book call no.: 327.73 R788c

Ike was the most honest of those three men, but that's not exactly saying a lot.

 

[LemmyCaution]

There are a few contrarians in the mix whose desire is to shock and confront like the Jewish ex-denier David Cole, but if you peer into the depths of fetid souls of most deniers, you'll smell the rank odor of racial hatred and Nazi love.

I think that this is right. Even for those who want to thumb their noses at The Man, there are so many options that don't involve explaining away National Socialist crimes and belittling Jews, gays, "spastics," and other people who are alien to some mythical white racial community. A person can demonstrate his contempt for the way things are by sporting a blue mohawk or by playing "don't pass" at craps. Or he can buy into and adopt the rhetoric of denial. I have come across only one or two deniers who are able to avoid Jew-baiting, allegations of Zionist conspiracies, or apologetics for Hitler--and this includes those who seem most to fit the contrarian or look-at-me-I want-attention profile. There is a content to the contrarianism one chooses to play around with.

 

[LemmyCaution]

How many of those who pick up from Fauri himself or from one of his Internet droppings the Churchill-Ike-de Gaulle silliness (1) have read the works they mention? (b) have worked out the purposes (which might even have been political or even self-serving, as political figures sometimes get) which these writers had in doing (I won't say writing because Churchill, for example, can scarcely be said to have written his big history) the works in question?

Another rhetorical question: What makes people trot out overused crankery as though they've discovered real puzzlers?

 

[dafydd]

I guess the difference would be that they, the gas chambers, never existed and that the THREE leaders didn't want their descendants and history to prove them liars.


So what's the deal with implying "Ike" wrote that book?

Crusade for peace;: Eisenhower's presidential legacy, with the program for action [Hardcover]
Robert Rosamond (Author)

Why do you hate Jews?

 

[dafydd]

Another rhetorical question: What makes people trot out overused crankery as though they've discovered real puzzlers?

Ignorance and hate.

 

[Saggy]

Another rhetorical question: What makes people trot out overused crankery as though they've discovered real puzzlers?

Idiocy is the typical Zionist response to a question that they cannot answer. There is nothing rhetorical about the question, and there is only one possible answer, none of them believed the 'gas chamber' hoax for an instant.

 

[MG1962]

Idiocy is the typical Zionist response to question that they cannot answer. There is nothing rhetorical about the question, and there is only one possible answer, none of them believed the 'gas chamber' hoax for an instant.

You seem pretty pathetic at answering questions yourself. I have asked you a number of things a number of times and you have stubbonly refused to evem acknowledge the questions exist

And before you claim no questions were asked the specific posts of interest are #872 #874 #878

And if you are going to claim you have answered these questions, could you direct me to the specific posts that you did please

 

[tsig]

Primo Levi and Elie Weisel are prima facie proof that the holocaust is a hoax. When the Russian army approached Auschwitz, both were in the camp HOSPITAL, Weisel being treated, operated on, for an infected foot, and Levi being treated for scarlet fever (typhus?). Otto Frank was also in the Auschwitz hospital at that time. The Nazis gave patients able to travel the option of evacuating with them, or awaiting the big bad Russians. Weisel decamped, Levi and Frank stayed, I don't know if they were able to travel, and were liberated by the Russians.

A moldy oldie. You used this one before.

 

[Wroclaw]

A moldy oldie. You used this one before.

Jeez, he's going on about people being in the hospital at Monowitz now?

Is he aware he's talking about freaking Monowitz?

Hey Saggy: Primo Levi and Elie Wiesel were both in Monowitz. Clue: That's likely why both of them survived.

 

[Locknar]

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[Clayton Moore]

Ignorance and hate.

Actually I hate liars. If that shoe fits so be it.

There was an attempt to use the 6 million figure of Jews 'lost' well before WWI, after WWI, and of course after WWII.

 

[Clayton Moore]

There is the Nuremburg tribunal which transcripts are all over the internet.

They do not talk about any six million dead and only mention gassing in trucks.

So where are you getting your sacred beliefs? What is your source? Stories your mother told you?

Grow up!

There are so many absurd killing methods the Germans are accused of.

Bottom line is the 'methods' are always some elaborate form of ritual murder. One was the use of gassing vans. The short of it was that the vans were dispatched to capture Jewish people. During the return trip the captives were gassed in the rear sealed off portion of the van. The bodies then had to be processed and then disposed of.

That is the type of nonsense that is used to support the 6 million total.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Why do you hate Jews?

Also I'm glad innocent Jewish men, women, and children were not killed as the Holocaust lies demand.

 

[Locknar]

I have gone through the last 3 pages or so, and culled the off-topic discussion(s). Please stay on topic, be civil/polite, and address the argument vs attack the arguer.

Thread un-moderated.

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[dafydd]

Also I'm glad innocent Jewish men, women, and children were not killed as the Holocaust lies demand.

Now you are just being silly. Do you have any serious points to make? If you deny the Holocaust then you hate Jews. It's very simple.

 

[TheRedWorm]

They never seem to get that...

 

[Clayton Moore]

That wasn't the question I asked. Regardless of what he wrote, who was disadvantaged by his writings

Nice Noam Chomsky imitation.

"Who cares?" "What difference does it make?"

 

[Clayton Moore]

But, Matt, you constantly tell us (a) despite the immense amount of evidence, the holocaust never really happened, and (b) it would be a good thing if it happened again -- er, I mean for the first time -- to the millions of Jews in Israel, I mean the zionist entity.

So why are you so outraged about what was said in the book of the Apostles? Surely just because it says something -- like millions of documents and eyewitnesses and photographs say about the holocaust -- doesn't mean this really happened. And, besides, since when is eradicating people you don't like off the face of the earth something you are against?

There is no immense evidence. The Red Cross of the day said there was no genocide. All the other organizations close to the situation agreed.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, that's a fine example of pure idiocy. Not funny, was it supposed to be? Just plain stupid.

But never mind, here is some imagery from Weisel that doesn't allude to Christianity in any way, and is typical of the holohoax, i.e. this is the type of imagery you revel in, so I'm sure you'll like it ...

"The soldiers threw babies in the air and the machine gunners used them as targets."

For degenerate lies like this he received the Nobel Prize for Peace.

Those lies and today's liars perpetuate the Holocaust myth.