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Corsair 115 said:
Leaving aside the "puppet client state" claim, do you accept that the Anglo-American forces had a damn good reason for invading Germany back in 1944-45?
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Under the circumstances that existed at that time, yes, and we should have kicked the commies asses back to Moscow once we got there.
 
Gene Alley said:
Q:What difference does it make if a country that has no military doesn't sanction a war?
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In regards to the bolded, having 191,650 in the army, 25,650 in the navy, 67,500 in the air force, with some 400 tanks, 1,800 APC/IFV, 1,500 artillery pieces, and over 200 fighter aircraft, that's having "no military"?
 
Corsair 115 said:
In regards to the bolded, having 191,650 in the army, 25,650 in the navy, 67,500 in the air force, with some 400 tanks, 1,800 APC/IFV, 1,500 artillery pieces, and over 200 fighter aircraft, that's having "no military"?
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Oh yes, the same non-existent Bundeswehr that has not taken part in any operations around the world.

That one.

That doesn't exist.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You should read up on the beginning of the lies you so glibly banter about. The Nuremberg Trials.

Don't forget to absorb the quality of those, like JFK and Taft, who demand the the Trials were crimes by the victors.
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Gee, I wonder if I have read up on the Nuremberg Trials. No, I couldn't possibly have read anything about Nuremberg and must never have read the transcript.

You should put a chapter about the Nuremberg Trials in that book of yours.
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Already is one. It's called 'The Hoax'. The book in question is about denial, in case you have forgotten. Deniers drone on about Nuremberg, whaddya think I'd include?
 
Gene Alley said:
You posted a silly ADL hit piece which didn't even quote any of Zundel's words. Can you provide any words from Mr. Zundel that demonstrate that he was a "fervent perveyer of hate"?
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I don't have to. I have proven my assertion. You have failed to challenge my evidence.

But since I'm feeling nice, here's wikipedias article on Zundel. Coroborates ADL nicely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zündel
 
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Gene Alley said:
Big deal!!

Q:What difference does it make if a country that has no military doesn't sanction a war?

A: None whatsoever.
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It makes a difference if that country is sitting on the UN Security Council.

Incidentally, this guy below would be interested to hear that Germany has no military:

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uke2se said:
I don't have to. I have proven my assertion. You have failed to challenge my evidence.

But since I'm feeling nice, here's wikipedias article on Zundel. Coroborates ADL nicely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zündel
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My you are feeling nice. However you have proven nothing except that you are full of crap. Nowhere in your laughable evidence are any writings or quotations attributed to Zundel that are hateful, nor any that encourage using violence against anyone. In fact, those who have not only incited violence but have committed violence against Mr Zundel are his well heeled antagonists. This fact is clearly stated in the article you just cited. Do you read this stuff before you post it?:confused::confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Zündel


"Zündel gained prominence and respectability during the 1970s as spokesman for Concerned Parents of German Descent, a group which claimed that German-Canadians and their children were the target of discrimination due to anti-German stereotyping in the media.


In 1984, a pipe bomb blasted a hole through Zündel's garage door.


Zündel campaigned in Canada to ban the movie Schindler's List on the grounds that it "generates hatred against Germans, and it should be possible to ban it under 'hate laws' in Canada, Germany, and other countries"[and celebrated the movie being banned in Malaysia and the Philippines, and effectively banned in Lebanon and Jordan.

On May 8, 1995, his Toronto residence at 206 Carlton Street was the target of an arson attack resulting in $400,000 in damage. A group calling itself the "Jewish Armed Resistance Movement" claimed responsibility for the arson attack; according to the Toronto Sun, the group had ties to the Jewish Defense League, and to the extremist group Kahane Chai.[15]

The leader of the Toronto wing of the Jewish Defense League, Meir Weinstein, (known then as Meir Halevi) denied involvement in the attack. Five days later, Weinstein and US JDL leader Irv Rubin were caught trying to break into the Zündel property, where he was apprehended by police.

No charges have ever been laid in the incident.[

Later the same month Zündel was the recipient of a parcel bomb that was detonated by the Toronto Police Service's bomb squad. The investigation into the parcel bomb attack led to charges being laid against David Barbarash, an animal rights activist based in British Columbia, but they were eventually stayed."
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So let's get this straight, Zundel simply wrote and advanced theories by passing out publications that are not popular. For this, he was harrassed, threatened, physically attacked, deported and jailed.

The groups that targeted him committed violence against him, incited hatred for him in the community bombed his house, destroyed his business and threatened his family and they were charged with nothing. Sounds fair to me.:D:D

The evidence points to the obvious fact that those who incited and committed violence against Zundel were never charged, yet Zundel was continually harassed and later shanghiaed to Germany with the complicity of US and Canadian authorities to be railroaded by a Kangaroo court, convicted and thrown in jail. So who are the real purveyers of hate and violence in this case? I guess we all know the answer to that question now, don't we?

Thanks
 
Wroclaw said:
It makes a difference if that country is sitting on the UN Security Council.

Incidentally, this guy below would be interested to hear that Germany has no military:

[qimg]http://www.codoh.com/graphics3/rudolf.jpg[/qimg]
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I was wrong regarding the German Military, thanks for the correction.
 
Dogzilla said:
LOL! I hate it when my workload precludes anything more than cursory participation in these discussions but I just had to take a break to respond to this piece of nonsense! Sure, the ligaments, muscles, and skeleton of a baby are so weak that an SS man could snatch one from the bosom of its terrified mother and tear it in half before her very eyes but the male genitalia is strong enough to withstand the weight of the entire body being swung from a door!!! And unless those men had legs that were long enough to make the distribution of weight below the genitalia equal to the weight above the genitalia, the SS torture experts would have had a devil of a time swinging a man from a door like that! ROTFLMFAO!

Didn't anybody take Physics in school?
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Didn't you know the laws of physics were suspended for the holohoax?

That quote was worth googling, and Sofksy's book is online, and there is another novel technique described ....

. Another technique was to dip the genitals alternately in cold and boiling hot wat... pg. 240

Ouch ! And how does one 'dip' the genitals into a pot? of water? LOL. Sheer idiocy, like most of the first person hoax testimony.

Unfortunately my computer is too slow to bring up the page, but there are a bunch of genital torture techniques described on page 240.
 
Gene Alley said:
So let's get this straight, Zundel simply wrote and advanced theories by passing out publications that are not popular. For this, he was harrassed, threatened, physically attacked, deported and jailed.

The groups that targeted him committed violence against him, incited hatred for him in the community bombed his house, destroyed his business and threatened his family and they were charged with nothing. Sounds fair to me.:D:D
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Because the FBI could not prove the case. At the same time Zundel was attacked, it was believed Irv Rubin set a bomb that killed members of the Pan Arab American league. The FBI could not sell that case either. Eventually Rubin was arrested and charged for these crimes but committed suicide in jail before he could answer the charges
 
MG1962 said:
Because the FBI could not prove the case. At the same time Zundel was attacked, it was believed Irv Rubin set a bomb that killed members of the Pan Arab American league. The FBI could not sell that case either. Eventually Rubin was arrested and charged for these crimes but committed suicide in jail before he could answer the charges
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It wasn't just Irv Rubin who was involved in the, threats, crimes, harrassment and injustice against Zundel. He was one of many, including the US, Canadian and German governments. This case is a travesty of "justice". Zundel was a law abiding productive member of the Canadian community before he was brutally assaulted for expressing his political views.
 
Gene Alley said:
I was wrong regarding the German Military, thanks for the correction.
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As a side note, that man went to a military academy, then served in a branch of the Germany military called (wait for it...): the Luftwaffe.

For real.
 
Gene Alley said:
Zundel was a law abiding...
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No, he wasn't. He was a criminal and he was called out by the Canadian authorities for having been so.

And I'm not talking about hate crimes either. The guy was in deep. Look over the CHRC files on him; they're available online.
 
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