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LemmyCaution said:
...... Indeed, however, some of the humiliation rituals did involve sexual degradation and the kind of abuse of sexual organs which interest you, according to Sofsky. For example, in Buchenwald "A special form of torture was to tie a rope to a male prisoner's genitals and then swing him back and forth as he hung on the door......
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LOL! I hate it when my workload precludes anything more than cursory participation in these discussions but I just had to take a break to respond to this piece of nonsense! Sure, the ligaments, muscles, and skeleton of a baby are so weak that an SS man could snatch one from the bosom of its terrified mother and tear it in half before her very eyes but the male genitalia is strong enough to withstand the weight of the entire body being swung from a door!!! And unless those men had legs that were long enough to make the distribution of weight below the genitalia equal to the weight above the genitalia, the SS torture experts would have had a devil of a time swinging a man from a door like that! ROTFLMFAO!

Didn't anybody take Physics in school?
 
Dogzilla said:
LOL! I hate it when my workload precludes anything more than cursory participation in these discussions but I just had to take a break to respond to this piece of nonsense! Sure, the ligaments, muscles, and skeleton of a baby are so weak that an SS man could snatch one from the bosom of its terrified mother and tear it in half before her very eyes but the male genitalia is strong enough to withstand the weight of the entire body being swung from a door!!! And unless those men had legs that were long enough to make the distribution of weight below the genitalia equal to the weight above the genitalia, the SS torture experts would have had a devil of a time swinging a man from a door like that! ROTFLMFAO!

Didn't anybody take Physics in school?
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Reading for comprehension and not being such a literalist retard might help more. Indeed, your vaunted physics would strongly suggest that you are reading the quote wrong. Language being what it is, people don't always express themselves very clearly, and this seems like one such case.

The quote doesn't sound to me like the victim was hanging "from the door" by his genitals. It sounds more like they hung up the victim by his arms, and then tied a separate rope. That would be something that would become clear if one compared multiple testimonies, rather than cherrypicking a partial quote from a secondary source paraphrased on an internet forum.

Your vaunted physics can help us rule out the nonsensical reading, and point us in a more likely direction. But no, of course you immediately decide the nonsensical reading must be the right one, since that way you can make fun of victims of Nazi torture. Plus you seem to have a thing about penises, judging by past posts...
 
Nick Terry said:
Reading for comprehension and not being such a literalist retard might help more. Indeed, your vaunted physics would strongly suggest that you are reading the quote wrong. Language being what it is, people don't always express themselves very clearly, and this seems like one such case.

The quote doesn't sound to me like the victim was hanging "from the door" by his genitals. It sounds more like they hung up the victim by his arms, and then tied a separate rope. That would be something that would become clear if one compared multiple testimonies, rather than cherrypicking a partial quote from a secondary source paraphrased on an internet forum.

Your vaunted physics can help us rule out the nonsensical reading, and point us in a more likely direction. But no, of course you immediately decide the nonsensical reading must be the right one, since that way you can make fun of victims of Nazi torture. Plus you seem to have a thing about penises, judging by past posts...
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It is interesting when people take partial information or something written for one purpose and concoct elaborate scenarios around it, either proofs or debunking, for which the summary or partial statement is really unsuited. In this case, one should recall, I was not trying to prove a form of torture--laying out all the details and particulars--but rather to reply to Clayton Moore, who, seemingly obsessed with rape and testicle torture, wondered why sexual abuse was not showing up in accounts of Nazi depravity. So I quoted a single sentence, which, as Nick guessed, speaks to a torture of the genitals of a person hanging from a door: I was good enough to help Dogzilla avoid moments like the one he is now in the midst of, caused by his overhasty and embarrassingly silly rendition, in fact, by including a page reference should he or anyone have wanted to check the full context.

In this case, had Dogzilla read the context, he would have learned that the physics involved were as simple as this: "During interrogation, prisoners were strung up on a grate door, their arms tied behind their backs, their feet dangling several centimeters above the floor." Some prisoners, Sofsky continues, were hung the opposite way, upside down. And in some cases, then, the prisoners, thus tied up, were subjected to a "special form of torture" as described.

ROTFLMAO indeed: no one claimed that the weight of a prisoner was borne by his genitals, and a source was given should Dogzilla have wished to learn something, rather than leaping to conclusions and looking for what he considers to be opportunities for mockery.

RODOH is all insults, says Dogzilla, in contrast to what? His post on physics? It is difficult to take seriously Dogzilla's weak excuse to engage Angrick & Klein, for example, in the context of the history of the hoaxing, after reading his above implosion.
 
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Nick Terry said:
Something tells me Dogzilla is going to be very 'busy at work' for the foreseeable future.



How to be a Revisionist Scholar
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You should read up on the beginning of the lies you so glibly banter about. The Nuremberg Trials.

Don't forget to absorb the quality of those, like JFK and Taft, who demand the the Trials were crimes by the victors.

You should put a chapter about the Nuremberg Trials in that book of yours.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You should read up on the beginning of the lies you so glibly banter about. The Nuremberg Trials.

Don't forget to absorb the quality of those, like JFK and Taft, who demand the the Trials were crimes by the victors.

You should put a chapter about the Nuremberg Trials in that book of yours.
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I am absolutely certain that Nick has read more about the Nuremberg trials than you. In fact, I am absolutely certain I have read more about the Nuremberg trials than you. After all, you have admitted your complete ignorance on this subject. One wonders why you keep butting in and making a fool of yourself. Masochism?
 
uke2se said:
Wait, what? Germany is a part of NATO. There are no "former USSR" bases in Germany today.

You do know that the Berlin Wall fell in '89 and that the Cold War ended thereafter, don't you?
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The USSR finally pulled their tanks and other hardware out of Germany in '89. The US and it's NATO puppets are still militarily occupying Germany. Germany is not a soverign state. It is a puppet client state controlled by the Anglo-American forces that invaded in '44-45.
 
Gene Alley said:
ADL....lololololololol. That's a reliable and unbiased source. Thanks for the laughs.
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I knew you'd reject it because of that. Now, please point out exactly what mistakes are in the ADL write-up. Do so, or admit that it is correct.
 
Gene Alley said:
ADL....lololololololol. That's a reliable and unbiased source. Thanks for the laughs.
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I, for one, have a big problem with the ADL, but it is your contention that anything in that ADL report is false?

Ever heard of the genetic fallacy?
 
Gene Alley said:
The USSR finally pulled their tanks and other hardware out of Germany in '89.
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No, they pulled out of Eastern Germany. Germany, as we know it today, didn't exist at the time. Perhaps you should go back and do elementary school history and geography again?

Gene Alley said:
The US and it's NATO puppets are still militarily occupying Germany.
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No, they are not. Germany is a part of NATO.

Gene Alley said:
Germany is not a soverign state.
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Yes, it is.

Gene Alley said:
It is a puppet client state controlled by the Anglo-American forces that invaded in '44-45.
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No, it is not. Please list which of the elections since the reformation of Germany in 1990 that have not been free and democratic.

Your rhetoric, while extremely weak, is still better than your pretence about "looking at both sides" of this issue, and your lies about your own political ideology and your "Jewish friend". Maybe if we let you warm up for a few more pages you'll stop lying alltogether.
 
uke2se said:
I am absolutely certain that Nick has read more about the Nuremberg trials than you. In fact, I am absolutely certain I have read more about the Nuremberg trials than you. After all, you have admitted your complete ignorance on this subject. One wonders why you keep butting in and making a fool of yourself. Masochism?
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Nah. I'm smarter than most of you. An I can see beyond the forest for the trees advantage.
 
Gene Alley said:
The USSR finally pulled their tanks and other hardware out of Germany in '89. The US and it's NATO puppets are still militarily occupying Germany. Germany is not a soverign state. It is a puppet client state controlled by the Anglo-American forces that invaded in '44-45.
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Perhaps then you can explain why Germany refused to sanction war against Iraq in 2003?
 
Gene Alley said:
It is a puppet client state controlled by the Anglo-American forces that invaded in '44-45.
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Leaving aside the "puppet client state" claim, do you accept that the Anglo-American forces had a damn good reason for invading Germany back in 1944-45?
 
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