Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

Saggy said:
I think that is true, in collaboration with the US of course .... just googled for a minute, I've already wasted a whole morning ..... :D ....

Germany: Still Under Control of Foreign Powers

e.g. ....

"(i) Two days prior to the enactment of the German constitution on 23 May 1949, a Secret Treaty (Geheimer Staatsvertrag) was signed, which gave complete Allied control over electronic and print media, film, culture and education until the year 2099.

As a result thereof, there are still 100,000 occupation troops in Germany; after 66 years there still has been no peace treaty concluded between Germany and the Victorious Allied Powers; and all of Germany’s gold reserves are held in the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in which the Rothschilds have a 57% shareholding."
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Veterans Today as publisher and the widow of the late Ernst Zündel as author of this document that is supposed to provide us with evidence that the USA and the Jews still rule Germany. You can't be serious...
 
Saggy said:
I think that is true, in collaboration with the US of course .... just googled for a minute, I've already wasted a whole morning ..... :D ....
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Yes if you knew more you wouldn't have to lie so much or make up stuff that constantly blows up in your face

Germany: Still Under Control of Foreign Powers
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Says a nazi with even less creditably than you....

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"(i) Two days prior to the enactment of the German constitution on 23 May 1949, a Secret Treaty (Geheimer Staatsvertrag) was signed, which gave complete Allied control over electronic and print media, film, culture and education until the year 2099.
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Could we have a link to a real source for that?

As a result thereof, there are still 100,000 occupation troops in Germany; after 66 years there still has been no peace treaty concluded between Germany and the Victorious Allied Powers; and all of Germany’s gold reserves are held in the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in which the Rothschilds have a 57% shareholding."
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Nope about 20,000 these days

ecause of its central location in Europe, Germany has a number of NATO headquarters units based near German cities. However, almost none of these headquarters have combat troops attached. NATO countries have been cutting costs regularly every since the end of the Cold War and most find it cheaper to base their units on their own soil.

As an example, the largest American unit in German is a United States Air Force wing at Ramsden that consists entirely of transport aircraft. The largest American ground unit in Germany is a special forces battalion that works along with other European special forces on missions in the Middle East and Africa.

The old German/Netherlands division in Northwest Germany now consists of a joint NATO headquarters unit. The NATO air forces command at Ramsden has staff from most NATO countries rotating in and out, and is guarded by German forces and an American military police battalion.

I don’t have the best sources at hand, but there may be as many as twenty thousand foreign military personnel in Germany on a given day, but almost all the old units some remember from the Cold War have gone home.
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Well no, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany

In January 2013, the German central bank (Deutsche Bundesbank) announced plans to repatriate 300 tonnes of its 1,500 tons of gold from the US and 374 tonnes from France by 2020, in order to have half (1,695.3 tonnes) of its official gold reserves stored in Frankfurt.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] The gold in the U.S. was earned by West Germany through trade surpluses in the 1950s and 1960s and was never moved out of the United States due to fear of invasion by the Soviet Union.[11][12][13] In 2013, a mere 5 tonnes were shipped due to logistical difficulties. However, Germany repatriated 120 t in 2014 (35 tonnes from Paris, 85 t from New York),[14][15][16][17][18][19] 210 t in 2015 (110.5 t from Paris and 99.5 t from New York)[20] and 200 t in 2016
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You might want to move from the late 1940's to 2017.....just sayin
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Yeah there's no discussion going on here, just endless effort to try getting Saggy to debate in good faith. Everyone is trying, but Saggy is really "trying."

But we do get treated to Saggy's mindless repetition.

When he pulled out the goofy Bad Arolsen chestnut, a comedic moment at Rodoh over a year ago, I felt like saying enough, too. There is limited interest in the umpteenth debunking of Saggy's mangling of history and ancient, oft-repeated lies. Bad decision on his part to be a total bore.
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He is a prince of unintended comedy - on a somber subject - but I disagree he is no longer trying at all and is just trolling.
 
Nessie said:
That peaked my interest, for a change. It is, not surprisingly utter *****;

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/investing/germany-gold-reserves-new-york-paris/index.html

"The country's central bank announced Wednesday it has completed a program to repatriate gold bars worth nearly $31 billion from storage locations in New York and Paris.
Germany has been bringing gold home to Frankfurt from the two cities since 2013. The final 100 tons were moved from Paris earlier this year, the central bank said.
In total, 743 tons have been transferred. The project was completed three years ahead of schedule.
But it's also a recognition that times have changed: Germans are no longer worried about preventing their gold reserves from falling under Soviet control -- a real fear during the Cold War.
And the central bank no longer needs to keep gold in Paris as a protective measure that would allow it to quickly exchange international currency in an emergency. Both countries use the euro."

From the banks own website;

"Much of the gold in the vault arrived during and after World War II as many countries wanted to store their gold reserves in a safe location."
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Yes and many European nations kept it there just in case WWIII broke out and Soviet tanks over ran mainland Europe.
 
I actually have a question. Saggy has been calling us Hasbara's. Kyoon called us Human Cattle. Does that mean:

1. That we are Hasbarian Cattle? And
2. What does a Hasbarian Cattle look like?
 
Nick Terry said:
This thread has become so boring that I am reduced to correcting people's spelling. This should have read 'that piqued my interest'.
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How do you know? Maybe his interest was hiding behind the drapes. More lies from the Jew-lover.
 
Oh, the irony.

[IMGW=500]https://i.imgur.com/RGpYXdK.jpg?1[/IMGW]

I can imagine that they are instructed to attack their opponents for not .... how did LC put it .... 'debating in good faith' :D
 
Saggy said:
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...helped greatly by your not debating in good faith - repeatedly.

So can we take that as you concession that all your previous points were wrong?
 
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Hans said:
Why are you demand information you have already stated is lies?
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I've stated that Zisblatt, Wiesel, Meuller, Wiernik, S. Venezia, Gabbai, Bomba, Rosenberg, and others are prima facie degenerate liars the likes of which the world has never seen, and demonstrated it with example.

However, I cited Dina Babbitt, who painted pictures for the children at Auschwitz, as giving honest testimony. There is extensive physical evidence for Babbitt's testimony, including pictures she painted that are still in existence.

So, I'm willing to evaluate any testimony on its merits.
 
tinribmancer said:
Wait a mintue.

Hasbara
Hasbera
Hanbera
Hannbera
Hannbaera
Hannbabera
Hannbarbera
Hanna-Barbera

HANNA-BARBERA! Open yer eyes! The Flintstones are behind the holocaust!!1!!1! :jaw-dropp
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I think you might be on to something. I had noticed a certain cartoonish value to a certain posters contributions
 
Saggy said:
Morgen's career demolishes the holohoax. And his testimony is a slightly weird bag, but deniers love it. Morgen was tortured and threatened at Nuremberg to implicate Isla(?) Koch, but refused.
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YES, EXACTLY! And then he turned around and described the AR Holocaust as he witnessed it (he caught the aftermath of Erntfest - tell me what Erntfest was will you?). You have just underlined the death warrant of your cause.


Then his testimony veered off for a bit, and he testified that the Jews were responsible for the hoax as they were the ones who implemented it, and that there were gas chambers at Monowitz.
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Something which he corrected. Recall that he visited Auschwitz only a few times.

The only explanation for these absurdities is that Morgen had to give something in exchange for his life, but insisted on protecting the SS.
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No. if that was the case he would have implicated Koch. He simply told the truth when it was true (except with Buchenwald - not a nice place).
 
Saggy said:
Hoess was by his own account the grand architect of the hoax
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I stopped reading after that. Hoess clearly attributed oversight of the genocide to Himmler in his book. Have you read it Saggy? Because I have.
 
Saggy said:
Perhaps you'd like to summarize and discuss the testimony of just one Jewish eyewitness, along with any corroborating testimony, and any physical or documentary evidence that supports the testimony.
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RICHARD GLAZAR YOU ABSOLUTE AMOEBA! LOOK AT THE TESTIMONY OF FRANZ STANGL WHILE YOU'RE AT IT !!!
 
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Saggy said:
The Jews recently sent a 85 year old German woman, Ursula Haverbeck, to jail for 2 years for just that thought crime ....
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Haverbeck, a Nazi propagandist, was sent to jail by the German Government, not "The Jews". What on earth are you talking about here?
 
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