Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

SpitfireIX said:
1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

Fail.
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Fail yourself. You won't be sent to jail if you say the earth is flat. You will be sent to jail in over a dozen countries that call themselves "democracies" if you say the holocaust isn't true.
On the one hand they are saying what the revisionists are spouting is rubbish and on the other hand they are saying that what they say is so dangerous it has to be banned. You can't have it both ways!
https://codoh.com/library/document/5160/
 
To all of the politically correct ignoramuses and phoney skeptics who infest this thread how do you explain the following? Alexander McClelland was an Australian veteran of WW2 and inmate of Terezin the small fortress of Theresienstadt. Here is an interview with him -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1U3oGMQ8iM
More detail on Alexander McClelland here - https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4480
He fought the Nazis yet according to your politically correct viewpoint he is a neo nazi simply because of his views.
 
Thought I post it here since my question related, I think (it just sounds weird).

Yesterday, my father went to by a newspaper in a bookstore called Standaard Boekhandel (they also sell newspapers and stuff). Now the owner of the shop occasionally talks with my father when goes there and yesterday, they were talking about the current **** that's happening at the GAZA border.

All of a sudden, Wim(that's the owner's name) says that Hitler was actually not so bad and only wanted to get rid of the Jews, because they were rich.

Eh, what? is it just me or does this sound like borderline Holocaust denialism? Because this sounds weird...
 
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Don't they all (CT and their theories) display similar behaviors??

Mondial said:
This is a skeptics forum and I am sceptical about claims relating to the holocaust such as soap made from human fat.
www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
If you have a problem with people being sceptical on a skeptics forum why are you here ?
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017...debating-eyewitnesses-accepted-by-historians/
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True CT behavior, take the comments out of context.
I was referring to the behavior of CT's in general to stating some BS and then running away without answering questions.
So do you have issues with the Holocaust or just parts of it?
 
Mondial said:
Fail yourself. You won't be sent to jail if you say the earth is flat. You will be sent to jail in over a dozen countries that call themselves "democracies" if you say the holocaust isn't true.
On the one hand they are saying what the revisionists are spouting is rubbish and on the other hand they are saying that what they say is so dangerous it has to be banned. You can't have it both ways!
https://codoh.com/library/document/5160/
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Non sequitur. You stated that 31% of Americans believe that fewer than 2 million Jews died in the Holocaust, clearly implying that that proves something other than a lack of education. I countered that a similar number believe the Sun orbits the Earth, which is clearly due to a lack of education.

Further, we are talking about America, where, as you well know, Holocaust denial is perfectly legal. So yes, you fail.
 
Mondial said:
Fail yourself. You won't be sent to jail if you say the earth is flat. You will be sent to jail in over a dozen countries that call themselves "democracies" if you say the holocaust isn't true.
On the one hand they are saying what the revisionists are spouting is rubbish and on the other hand they are saying that what they say is so dangerous it has to be banned. You can't have it both ways!
https://codoh.com/library/document/5160/
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How many people had actually to serve prison time in these countries and how many time did these people stay in prison ?
 
Mondial said:
I didn't get shredded by you or any other [SNIP]on this thread. It simply doesn't pay to debate with people like you who insist on calling anyone who doesn't believe in fake atrocity propaganda from a conflict which ended over 70 years ago an "anti semite" or "neo nazi". If you bothered to ready my posts properly you would see that I have repeatedly pointed out that there are Jews who are holocaust revisionists -
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6912
This includes Gerard Menuhin the son of violinist Yehudi Menhin -
https://codoh.com/news/3347/
You completely ignore this and insist on the name calling. You have zero credibility so why would I waste my time with you.
I have also pointed out that people who actually fought the Nazis are in the ranks of holocaust revisionists such as Paul Rassinier a member of the French resistance and inmate of Buchenwald.
https://codoh.com/library/document/3129/
You also completely ignore this and just stick to name calling.
I leave links for members and visitors to see what revisionists have to say in their own words. If you don't like that then that's your problem!
https://codoh.com
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I missed your reply to this post and your explanation for what Eric Hunt meant when he announced that he had given up denial because it held back his real goal of promoting race realism and "opposing the very real Jewish-led white genocide campaign."
 
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Mondial said:
This is a skeptics forum and I am sceptical about claims relating to the holocaust such as soap made from human fat.
www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
If you have a problem with people being sceptical on a skeptics forum why are you here ?
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017...debating-eyewitnesses-accepted-by-historians/
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Dispassionate assessments of Tauber's testimony, in contrast to the Wears War screed, are found here (Pressac) and here (Sergey Romanov) (also more below).

Here, using contemporary documents which Wears War seems to dislike; here, assessing writings left behind by Birkenau Sonderkommando members; and here, analyzing the Birkenau Sonderkommando photos, Hans Metzler puts John Wear's cherrypicking to shame.

Finally, the blog Wear's Warts, dedicated to making sport of Mr Wear's idiocies and to providing corrective information, has an article on Mr Wear's unfortunate SK folies.
 
Mondial said:
This is a skeptics forum and I am sceptical about claims relating to the holocaust such as soap made from human fat.
www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
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If "Jewish soap" is the best you've got, there's likely no help for you. Here are some examples of how "soap" is dealt with the Holocaust Controversies:

Joachim Neander: "No End of History for the 'Jewish Soap' Myth?"

Sergey Romanov on Spanner (Danzig Anatomical Lab) and soap:
Claim #1: Jews were turned by the Nazis into soap, often claimed to be in form of the bars with the abbreviation "RIF" or "RJF" sometimes claimed to represent something like "Reines Judenfett" or "reines jüdisches Fett" (pure Jewish fat).

This claim is fully, 100% false. It has been discredited by mainstream historians decades ago. There is zero credible evidence for it. "RIF" stood for "Reichsstelle für industrielle Fettversorgung", ("Reich authority for industrial fat supply"; later Reichsstelle für industrielle Fette und Waschmittel). In fact, RIF cannot stand for anything with "jüdisch" in it, since, while the capital "J" could sometimes be used in German at that time to replace "I", the capital "I" could not be used to replace "J".
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Joachim Neander (2006): "IPN and Spanner's soap: a critical perspective"
 
LemmyCaution said:
I missed your reply to this post and your explanation for what Eric Hunt meant when he announced that he had given up denial because it held back his real goal of promoting race realism and "opposing the very real Jewish-led white genocide campaign."
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What s giveaway
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Category:People convicted of Holocaust denial offenses. Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial (Scroll to bottom)
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While the list does not show many people it's probably not complete. For instance, the French Vincent Reynouard who actually spent more than one year in jail is missing.

On the other hand, while denialists are crying that the countries which have enforced anti-denialism laws do not apply the freedom of speech, it appears that the numbers of people who have been actually jailed for denialism is ridiculously low. Even a guy like Faurisson has never spent one single day in jail.
 
Mondial said:
On the one hand they are saying what the revisionists are spouting is rubbish and on the other hand they are saying that what they say is so dangerous it has to be banned. You can't have it both ways!
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Why not? How does this follow?

- Thing X is rubbish.
- Saying thing X is outlawed because it is deemed to be dangerous.
 
Mondial said:
I didn't get shredded by you or any other [SNIP] on this thread.
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Actually you were by the experts here (of which I am not one) which is why you've been seagull bombing this and other threads.

If you weren't why aren't you here winning the debate?

lol

It simply doesn't pay to debate with people like you who insist on calling anyone who doesn't believe in fake atrocity propaganda from a conflict which ended over 70 years ago an "anti semite" or "neo nazi". If you bothered to ready my posts properly you would see that I have repeatedly pointed out that there are Jews who are holocaust revisionists -
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Stop providing links to neo-nazi sites - now have you stopped doing that?

You completely ignore this and insist on the name calling. You have zero credibility so why would I waste my time with you.
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Oh your NOT a Neo-Nazi then?

'Zero credibility' really hmmmm care to explain why you are making a false statement while trying to pretend you have something to say that isn't false?

Odd

Because no one else will waste their time 'debating' you.....because you seagull bomb stuff then run off and have been doing so for quite some time.

That is your problem not ours.

The problem is you cannot win an argument about the big issues so you are trying to use trivia and minor points to try and say, look 1+2 =3 therefore 6,000,000 doesn't exist - if you get my example.
 
Question for the experts here.

What would be the estimate of the total numbers of people placed into prison by the Nazi's regime in all countries they occupied (not the number killed). I went looking for that to compare it to the number of people placed in jail for violating the laws in the few countries that have it (I don't agree with that law I might add) against Holocaust denial.

Any idea?
 
Hans said:
Question for the experts here.

What would be the estimate of the total numbers of people placed into prison by the Nazi's regime in all countries they occupied (not the number killed)
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I don't think this question has an answer. The Ordungspolizei were nominally the nationalized "ordinary police" that replaced local city and town police forces in Germany and occupied nations. But they were organized under the military and became just another military force. By the invasion of Poland, they were executing and deporting people wholesale.

I'm sure that in some corners of Germany some dedicated public servants tried to enforce actual laws before judges who somehow didn't give in to corruption. But these guys were probably very rare exceptions.
 
Hans said:
Oh my another seagull attack by Mondial. I guess you've learned to drop nonsense and run instead of trying to support it? lol

Here is a question for you (oh and you have lots more questions you've avoided up thread too) is there any reason to respond to you? There is no discussion you just post long debunked stuff and run off.

I believe you aren't worth talking too.
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I took a look at the validity of our calling Mondial a 'seagull'.

In the past 12 years he's posted 337 times or close to 1 post every two weeks.

A quick review shows that the majority of those posts are one time deposits of links which he refuses to support. He has been going over the same material repeatedly over the last twelve years too. All in the same vein same subjects, etc.

Yeah a seagull.
 
Hans said:
Question for the experts here.

What would be the estimate of the total numbers of people placed into prison by the Nazi's regime in all countries they occupied (not the number killed). I went looking for that to compare it to the number of people placed in jail for violating the laws in the few countries that have it (I don't agree with that law I might add) against Holocaust denial.

Any idea?
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Leaving aside regular German prisons (this figure can be found in Wachsmann's book on the prison system), and various special camps, we know that over 700,000 people were held in the KL system by 1945 (IIRC over 2 million people "passed through" the camp system from 1933-1945 - mortality reached about 1.6 million - I got these estimates from a chart Stephen Wheatcroft compiled).
 
LemmyCaution said:
Leaving aside regular German prisons (this figure can be found in Wachsmann's book on the prison system), and various special camps, we know that over 700,000 people were held in the KL system by 1945 (IIRC over 2 million people "passed through" the camp system from 1933-1945 - mortality reached about 1.6 million - I got these estimates from a chart Stephen Wheatcroft compiled).
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Yes, thanks so that would have been in Germany proper. I wonder how many were arrested in the occupied territories? Thanks for looking that up I couldn't find anything however on a different note I did find this quote about being a 'National socialist"

As a native to the country that is responsible for the Nazis, I invite you to consider the following quote by Gerhard Bronner, an Austrian musician and composer:

Es gibt drei Dinge, die sich nicht vereinen lassen: Intelligenz, Anständigkeit und Nationalsozialismus. Man kann intelligent und Nazi sein. Dann ist man nicht anständig. Man kann anständig und Nazi sein. Dann ist man nicht intelligent. Und man kann anständig und intelligent sein. Dann ist man kein Nazi.

“There are three things that do not go together: intelligence, decency and national socialism. You can be intelligent and a Nazi. Then you're not a decent person. You can be a decent person and a Nazi. Then you're not intelligent. And you can be intelligent and a decent person. Then you're not a Nazi.”
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