Geier: Lupron for autism

The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science.

It's a disease caused by something or a multiple of factors and should be viewed and approached as such. It is not genetically inborn.
 
randman said:
The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science.

It's a disease caused by something or a multiple of factors and should be viewed and approached as such. It is not genetically inborn.
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Go away.
 
Just because you've only noticed it now doesn't mean that it's new. No massive increase, no outbreak. Just your sudden awakening to reality.
 
randman said:
The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science.

It's a disease caused by something or a multiple of factors and should be viewed and approached as such. It is not genetically inborn.
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Not to rain down on your parade, but the amount of people with autism isn't actually significantly higher (as far as I know), it's mainly the amount of diagnoses of autism, since the boundaries for what's considered autism are constantly redefined.

Also, if it's an epidemic, then why does it not spread faster?

(I will not feel insulted, because I'm sure you don't mean it to be)
 
At least some doctors say otherwise and based on their stance, they have had considerable success treating the condition.

I guess though orthodoxy says we have to ignore such real world results in order to preserve theory.

some real world examples of "cured" autistic children and without behavioral modification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BS_LkhRmk
 
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randman said:
At least some doctors say otherwise and based on their stance, they have had considerable success treating the condition.

I guess though orthodoxy says we have to ignore such real world results in order to preserve theory.

some real world examples of "cured" autistic children and without behavioral modification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BS_LkhRmk
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A comment on the video sums it up very nicely:

This just seems like an emotion attracting advertising. Doesnt even clearly state how his treatment is so much better. I dont know if this is real or not, but it just seems like he is just another one of those "2 million people" trying to sell you something.
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Did you watch the video? Do you know of any other treatment approach that takes a child diagnosed with autism to being cured of it?

If not, shut the **** up.

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randman said:
Did you watch the video? Do you know of any other treatment approach that takes a child diagnosed with autism to being cured of it?

If not, shut the **** up.

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Haven't you heard? Autism is a spectrum disorder.

It is a scale within which you can fall.

Me, I'm on the less severe end of it.

Treating it like a disease is simply incorrect. Why didn't they just stick to the "It's vaccines, that's what does it" rhetoric, in stead of making new stuff up.

If it were an epidemic, then when did it start, and when did/will it peak, according to predictions?
 
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Bram Kaandorp said:
Haven't you heard? Autism is a spectrum disorder.

It is a scale within which you can fall.

Me, I'm on the less severe end of it.

Treating it like a disease is simply incorrect. Why didn't they just stick to the "It's vaccines, that's what does it" rhetoric, in stead of making new stuff up.

If it were an epidemic, then when did it start, and when did/will it peak, according to predictions?
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Watch the video and then get back to me. Preferably also do some research.
 
By the way, having autism is not a guarantee that you will never love.

In fact, most of the time (if not all) people with autism do love.

They just have different, less apparent ways of showing it.


After having seen the video, I'm increasingly thinking that those children were misdiagnosed, such as is probably the case with Jenny McCarthy.

If you don't know what I'm talking about:

Landau-Kleffner

Or, maybe her son really is autistic, but she is in denial.

But those are just possibilities, not certainties.


Something different: Autism in a lot of cases IS genetic. The brain is wired differently. More nerve ends, and shorter nerves. (Any neurologist want to corroborate this?)
 
Bram, the fact is taking a different approach yields good results. The idea a developmental condition can be an epidemic is contrary to what medicine previously taught. The proof is in the pudding here. Approaching it as a medical (non-genetic) disorder is showing results.

Of course, there are some with genetic disorders of all kinds of things but it appears many with autism may not have a genetic disorder, even the vast majority, but have treatable medical conditions that can remove the symptoms when the underlying cause is addressed.
 
randman said:
Bram, the fact is taking a different approach yields good results. The idea a developmental condition can be an epidemic is contrary to what medicine previously taught. The proof is in the pudding here. Approaching it as a medical (non-genetic) disorder is showing results.

Of course, there are some with genetic disorders of all kinds of things but it appears many with autism may not have a genetic disorder, even the vast majority, but have treatable medical conditions that can remove the symptoms when the underlying cause is addressed.
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If that's true, then why does it seem to have eluded the majority of medical doctors and psychologists?

Or hasn't it?
 
randman said:
The one thing that makes sense about the massive increase and outbreak of autism is that contrary to mainstream views, it is not genetic but a disease outbreak. The idea that all of the sudden a genetic problem would become an epidemic is contrary to observed data and science.

It's a disease caused by something or a multiple of factors and should be viewed and approached as such. It is not genetically inborn.
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No, it doesn't make sense, at least not to those of us who examine the evidence critically. There is no epidemic; there have been expansions of the diagnostic criteria for ASDs and concurrent decreases and/or eliminations of other diagnoses such as mental retardation and emotional retardation. ASDs are a constellation of behavioural symptoms with multiple aetiologies, many being genetic (look up epigenetics and de novo mutations).

randman said:
At least some doctors say otherwise and based on their stance, they have had considerable success treating the condition.

I guess though orthodoxy says we have to ignore such real world results in order to preserve theory.

some real world examples of "cured" autistic children and without behavioral modification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_BS_LkhRmk
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That's ten minutes of my life I can't get back. What a bunch of rubbish, some testimonials with attribution to some vague "cure" by parents in denial of autism. Not all autists are low functioning you know and furthermore, autism is a difference in developmental trajectories, not stasis. It is not uncommon for autists to acquire skills with therapy or even spontaneously and even remit. This "cure" nonsense is just that and only gives false hope.

Este
 
Estellea said:
No, it doesn't make sense, at least not to those of us who examine the evidence critically. There is no epidemic; there have been expansions of the diagnostic criteria for ASDs and concurrent decreases and/or eliminations of other diagnoses such as mental retardation and emotional retardation. ASDs are a constellation of behavioural symptoms with multiple aetiologies, many being genetic (look up epigenetics and de novo mutations).

That's ten minutes of my life I can't get back. What a bunch of rubbish, some testimonials with attribution to some vague "cure" by parents in denial of autism. Not all autists are low functioning you know and furthermore, autism is a difference in developmental trajectories, not stasis. It is not uncommon for autists to acquire skills with therapy or even spontaneously and even remit. This "cure" nonsense is just that and only gives false hope.

Este
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You sir, are a god.
 
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