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Gaza - A 5 Star Concentration Camp *****

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The Fool said:
apparently these borders are voided by something.....so It appears that where Israel is or isn't is a big unknown....sort of like a shimmering mirage in the middle east.
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Hey The Fool, are you still claiming the border between Germany and France didn't change between 1914 and 1919?
 
a_unique_person said:
Where is the mention of the border in the Norther Ireland peace accords? ...
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Any more deflections? Where in the Oslo accords does it state that the 1949 Israel-Jordan armistice line is a de facto border?

How many times do I have to ask this same question before you even admit to its existence?
 
bigjelmapro said:
Any more deflections? Where in the Oslo accords does it state that the 1949 Israel-Jordan armistice line is a de facto border?

How many times do I have to ask this same question before you even admit to its existence?
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If I gave you a map could you show us where israel ends? does it not have borders?
 
bigjelmapro said:
Any more deflections? Where in the Oslo accords does it state that the 1949 Israel-Jordan armistice line is a de facto border?

How many times do I have to ask this same question before you even admit to its existence?
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http://205.188.238.109/time/personoftheyear/archive/photohistory/arafatrabin.html

Rabin and Arafat signed the historic Oslo agreement in September 1993 to place the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip, and eventually the rest of the West Bank, under Palestinian rule. As Rabin stated in an interview with TIME when the magazine named Rabin and Arafat Men of the Year for 1993 (1/3/94), "I've said more than once in the context of the Arab-Israeli conflict, we make peace, or we negotiate meaningful steps towards peace, with enemies. Sometimes bitter enemies."
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It's pretty clear what Time thought at the time. It's what everyone thought. The West Bank and Gaza was what Oslo was about, and the West Bank and Gaza are still clearly marked on maps of Israel.
 
The Fool said:
apparently these borders are voided by something.....so It appears that where Israel is or isn't is a big unknown....sort of like a shimmering mirage in the middle east.
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Ah, once again your argument substitutes sarcasm for fact.
 
a_unique_person said:
Where is the mention of the border in the Norther Ireland peace accords? It was just one of those points that was so obvious, no one realised that someone would actually question it. Even the US, Israel's strongest supporter, knows what the border was going to be, and continually criticises Israel for subverting it with settlements. You can act like it matters, but you won't convince anyone besides the die hard supporters that Oslo was about anything else. By acting as you are, you are just discrediting Israel and it's International reputation.
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He's such a bad Jew. How dare he argue for his point of view and demand that you provide evidence for yours?! Doesn't he understand how bad that makes Israel look?!

Bad Jew. Very bad Jew!

:oldroll:
 
Mycroft said:
Ooh, haven't seen that one in years. Let's see if it plays out differently this time.
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well, you could always stick your neck out and say what you think is the borders of Israel. Bigjell goes all hazy when the subject is mentioned.
 
Mycroft said:
Ah, once again your argument substitutes sarcasm for fact.
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and your very next post is...

"He's such a bad Jew. How dare he argue for his point of view and demand that you provide evidence for yours?! Doesn't he understand how bad that makes Israel look?!

Bad Jew. Very bad Jew!"

:)
 
a_unique_person said:
http://205.188.238.109/time/personoftheyear/archive/photohistory/arafatrabin.html

It's pretty clear what Time thought at the time. It's what everyone thought. The West Bank and Gaza was what Oslo was about, and the West Bank and Gaza are still clearly marked on maps of Israel.
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None of which states what you've claimed that the 1949 armistice lines between Israel-Jordan are de facto borders.

At this point, judging by your inability to even address this, I consider this baseless claim of your withdrawn. Thanks.
 
bigjelmapro said:
None of which states what you've claimed that the 1949 armistice lines between Israel-Jordan are de facto borders.

At this point, judging by your inability to even address this, I consider this baseless claim of your withdrawn. Thanks.
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Why did Time assume these were the borders for Oslo? Why is there even a line drawn on maps of Israel. If these are not the borders for Oslo, does that mean the Palestinians can bargain for a larger area for their future state?
 
The whole world considers the 1949 Armistice line to be Israel's de-facto eastern border.

nevertheless, Bigjelampro says: "Nein!!!!"

:)




(one cannot logically and honestly claim that land that Israel has not even annexed, is part of Israel. the line between those lands that Israel has annexed and Israel has not annexed, is Israel's de-facto border)
 
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a_unique_person said:
Why did Time assume these were the borders for Oslo? Why is there even a line drawn on maps of Israel. If these are not the borders for Oslo, does that mean the Palestinians can bargain for a larger area for their future state?
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Kinda, yes. That's what land exchanges would be, isn't it?
 
The Fool said:
and your very next post is...

"He's such a bad Jew. How dare he argue for his point of view and demand that you provide evidence for yours?! Doesn't he understand how bad that makes Israel look?!

Bad Jew. Very bad Jew!"

:)
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Right. So when I criticized you for always being sarcastic, I must have meant that using sarcasm was always wrong. :oldroll:

See a problem with that logic?
 
a_unique_person said:
Why did Time assume these were the borders for Oslo? Why is there even a line drawn on maps of Israel. If these are not the borders for Oslo, does that mean the Palestinians can bargain for a larger area for their future state?
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So now you are claiming that Time is making an 'assumption' that the 1949 armistice lines are de facto borders? None of which is stated in the article linked. So another baseless claim.

Listen, your previous claim has been retracted. No need to pretend anymore.

Already discussed the concept of a negotiated settlement.

Moving on.
 
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