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Gay by choice?

crimresearch said:
What behavior? Marrying her long time partner and mother of their child is 'unclear'?

'Unclear' would be letting people bully her into claiming something she doesn't identify as.
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Thanks for you question, but I since I doubt that you would understand my reply, then I will not bother to post one.
 
Complexity said:
While I don't think being gay is a choice, I do think she has every right and an obligation to speak the truth about how she perceives being gay in her own experience.

How this might be used or misused by others shouldn't be relevant.
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Indeed. And let's face it, religious conservatives are going to misrepresent anything to make their case. If Cynthia Nixon said she knew she was gay for as long as she could remember, the ever-forgiving religious types would shout about how homosexuality is a defect to be cured and that the immoral queers are using straight people for their own ends.

Also: Greg Proops? Really? My thought was Chip Esten.
 
RockNroll said:
Male heterosexual. I wasn't trying to be gay, just wanted to see if I could double my pool of potential sex partners by enjoying guys as well as gals. Turns out I couldn't just make myself like guys through sheer force of will :)
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Oh you just haven't met the right guy yet!





;)
 
Sledge said:
Indeed. And let's face it, religious conservatives are going to misrepresent anything to make their case. If Cynthia Nixon said she knew she was gay for as long as she could remember, the ever-forgiving religious types would shout about how homosexuality is a defect to be cured and that the immoral queers are using straight people for their own ends.

Also: Greg Proops? Really? My thought was Chip Esten.
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No idea who he is but I did a quick Wiki look-up and he went to "College of William and Mary" - how much gayer can you get than a college named "College of William and Mary"!
 
crimresearch said:
What behavior? Marrying her long time partner and mother of their child is 'unclear'?

'Unclear' would be letting people bully her into claiming something she doesn't identify as.
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"Unclear" would be choosing an identity because she admits she doesn't want the identity of her orientation.
 
ponderingturtle said:
The issue here is how broad is bisexual. It can be defined so narrowly that no one fits into it or so broadly that just about anyone does. I do not think that either extreme is useful in describing people.

Do you call Dan Savage a lier when he calls himself gay as he admits to heterosexual acts in his sexual history. This reminds me of the arguments about Willow on Buffy being bi or gay.
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And here you seem to be making assumptions about her personal experience that may or may not be true.
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She said herself she doesn't want to be labelled bi because people treat bisexuals poorly. She knows she is one of "us", but is playing intellectual games to run away from it because she thinks it gets her social acceptance. I don't need to assume anything, because she outright said it all.
 
With regards to what rights gays should be afforded, whether or not homosexuality is a choice is irrelevant.

If it makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, shouldn't they be allowed to do it?
 
I think we shouldn't have to publicly announce our sexual orientation/identity for political or publicity reasons; neither should people make sexual orientation/identity a political or publicity issue. Also, my opinion carries more weight with me than yours does.
 
Darat said:
No idea who he is but I did a quick Wiki look-up and he went to "College of William and Mary" - how much gayer can you get than a college named "College of William and Mary"!
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He's one of the regular fourth guests on the US Whose Line Is It Anyway. Always struck me as far camper than any of the other performers.

I still can't get over the idea that someone is being criticised for how they perceive their own sexuality. It seems like everyone should be free to be what they want, as long as what they want is something we agree with.
 
Cleon said:
Spooky. I thought the exact same thing.
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Me too! Although I've been working in an improv comedy trope and studying 'successful' improv comedy artists recently...

What's your excuse?
 
crimresearch said:
What behavior? Marrying her long time partner and mother of their child is 'unclear'?

'Unclear' would be letting people bully her into claiming something she doesn't identify as.
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Being monogamous does not preclude a bisexual identity or attraction.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
She said herself she doesn't want to be labelled bi because people treat bisexuals poorly. She knows she is one of "us", but is playing intellectual games to run away from it because she thinks it gets her social acceptance. I don't need to assume anything, because she outright said it all.
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The point stands in general regardless of its fit to her.
 
As for effeminate men being straight, years ago I had a friend named Adam. He spoke with a slight lisp, used his hands a lot when talking, was very emotional, ran screaming from spiders and bugs, etc etc...He was ragingly hetero and always had the sexiest girlfriends.

Didn't Richard Simmons have a really hot wife?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Do you choose to like [insert favourite food]?
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Absolutely I do. There are some foods that I've liked since I was little, because of my environment growing up. There are other foods I have chosen to learn to enjoy since then. Ever heard the term "acquired taste"? This is a real thing.

How does one choose an orientation?
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Exposure, acclimation, and patterning.
What I'm attracted to changes over the years through repeated exposure in media and in person. Although a lot of my sexual "tastes" were impacted by upbringing and chidhood experience, over time what is liked and disliked can change signficantly by choosing to focus on certain elements, through reward/punishment, and by associating elements with individual traits.
I'll admit that it continually surprises me that it doesn't seem to work this way for everyone else. Gender and gender ideals are culturally defined; our personalities are crafted through years of experiences; what's the problem with recognizing that orientation is an interaction of personality with culture, and therefore certainly changable over time?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
"Unclear" would be choosing an identity because she admits she doesn't want the identity of her orientation.
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Right. And are black people who choose to identify as white actually just 'unclear' as well? Men who choose to identify as women the same? They just don't know their place?

How lucky the world is to have all of you morally superior beings to tell us how we should be, in order to be what we are.


*ETA*: Seriously, I'm surprised at that choice of words coming from you. It really does read as intolerance. which I've come to expect from others, but not from your posts.
 
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