Gang stalking paranoia

[AaronAgassi]

Covert recordings have been admitted in court, without countercharges arising. But if in doubt, consult your attorney. And of course, there is also always YouTube and the court of public opinion.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Covert recordings have been admitted in court, without countercharges arising. But if in doubt, consult your attorney. And of course, there is also always YouTube and the court of public opinion.

Pffffft.

How do you go from suing your employer to the pitiful revenge of putting something on youtube?

 

[AaronAgassi]

I'm only listing additional options. Your own choices remain up to you. Shall I take it then, that I've answered satisfactorily as far as admissibility and liabiliy?

Besides, it all rather depends how much of an ass ones employer or any other unsuspecting thug or bully, can make of themselves! Conniving bullies dread exposure. Indeed, a well promoted video might even help in locating even more damning evidence and other crucial connections and resources.

 

[Checkmite]

I think the truism that one can be harassed and/or stalked at work or school by more than one person at a time is an attempt to bog skepticism of "gangstalking" down in semantics. What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

 

[carlitos]

I think the truism that one can be harassed and/or stalked at work or school by more than one person at a time is an attempt to bog skepticism of "gangstalking" down in semantics. What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

I agree. Let's use the term as those who believe it exists use the term.

Welcome to Gang stalking World

Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individuals life. Using occupational health and safety laws, warning markers can be added to a targets file. Individuals can be added to a Threat Assessment List for monitoring. Once a target is flagged, a notification is sent out, and the target is followed around 24/7 by the various communities that they are in. A covert investigation might be opened, and electronic means used by the civilian spies as part of the covert monitoring and surveillance process.

 

[little grey rabbit]

I think the truism that one can be harassed and/or stalked at work or school by more than one person at a time is an attempt to bog skepticism of "gangstalking" down in semantics. What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

The trouble is no one ever and no one ever ponies up any evidence. I long ago came to the view that such people were in fact the very problem they claimed to be opposed to.

That's just human nature, I guess. I don't expect it to change any time soon or probably ever.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Another day and still no evidence of gang stalking? What a surprise.

 

[AaronAgassi]

This is getting distinctly Orwellian: I vigorously deplore and reject the semantics of a lunatic fringe so bent upon hijacking such a serious matter of discussion. Actually, it remains gravely significant what evil stalkers collaborating together can accomplish. And I am extremely concerned with the discredit done to a very real and growing hate crime, done by the tabloid weird fantasies of paranoid crank conspiracists, and the sly truth suppression that exploits all said madness in cynical propaganda denial.

Indeed, as for the more moderate and reasonable claims, what would be acceptable for evidence? Believe you me, I am all for getting the goods!

 

[carlitos]

This is getting distinctly Orwellian: I vigorously deplore and reject the semantics of a lunatic fringe so bent upon hijacking such a serious matter of discussion. Actually, it remains gravely significant what evil stalkers collaborating together can accomplish. And I am extremely concerned with the discredit done to a very real and growing hate crime, done by the tabloid weird fantasies of paranoid crank conspiracists, and the sly truth suppression that exploits all said madness in cynical propaganda denial.

Indeed, as for the more moderate and reasonable claims, what would be acceptable for evidence? Believe you me, I am all for getting the goods!

Hi AaronAgassi,

It's unclear to me what you are responding to here. What is getting Orwellian? Who are the lunatic fringe? What is the growing and real hate crime?

In the future, if you are replying to a specific point, you could use the quote button.

 

[AaronAgassi]

Checkmite posted: What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

carlitos, you chimed right in: I agree. Let's use the term as those who believe it exists use the term.

Well, I say ******** to all of that! What is Orwellian, to reiterate since you ask, is how the paranoid conspiracy cranks have seized onto shunning and mobbing tactics and behavior manifest everywhere with a long history, and hijacked the conversation. What is even more Orwellian is how denial and trivialization of pandemic bullying in the schoolyard, the workplace, the neighborhood, and just about any other walk of life, seizes onto the conveniently flagrant lunacy of the paranoid conspiracy cranks, in order to lump together and summarily dismiss virtually all complaints of abuse a'priori.

 

[Horatius]

Well, I say ******** to all of that! What is Orwellian, to reiterate since you ask, is how the paranoid conspiracy cranks have seized onto shunning and mobbing tactics and behavior manifest everywhere with a long history, and hijacked the conversation. What is even more Orwellian is how denial and trivialization of pandemic bullying in the schoolyard, the workplace, the neighborhood, and just about any other walk of life, seizes onto the conveniently flagrant lunacy of the paranoid conspiracy cranks, in order to lump together and summarily dismiss virtually all complaints of abuse a'priori.

Yes, except you're the only one who applies the term "gang stalking" to "pandemic bullying". "Gang stalking" was a term created by the "paranoid conspiracy cranks" to describe their alleged experiences.

Trying to now insist that we should refer to workplace bullying and the like does everyone a disservice, in that it muddies the water, and makes it unclear what the **** you're talking about.

So, it's you who are making it possible to "lump together and summarily dismiss virtually all complaints of abuse a'priori", by trying to co-opt a term crated by others.

If you want to complain about pandemic workplace bullying, just call it that. Everyone will understand what you mean, and won't lump you in with the "The government rearranged my furniture!" crowd.

 

[carlitos]

Checkmite posted: What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

carlitos, you chimed right in: I agree. Let's use the term as those who believe it exists use the term.

Well, I say ******** to all of that! What is Orwellian, to reiterate since you ask, is how the paranoid conspiracy cranks have seized onto shunning and mobbing tactics and behavior manifest everywhere with a long history, and hijacked the conversation. What is even more Orwellian is how denial and trivialization of pandemic bullying in the schoolyard, the workplace, the neighborhood, and just about any other walk of life, seizes onto the conveniently flagrant lunacy of the paranoid conspiracy cranks, in order to lump together and summarily dismiss virtually all complaints of abuse a'priori.

Hi Aaron,
I can't understand what you mean here. The red part seems to disagree with the green part.

Could you please answer simply, and without a lot of drama:

Do you claim that "gang stalking," per the definitions I posted above, exists as claimed?

or

Are you interested in "pandemic bullying," which is a different thing?

or

Thanks.

 

[Horatius]

Hi Aaron,
I can't understand what you mean here. The red part seems to disagree with the green part.

That's because he's trying to quote people, but not using the quote tags.

This is what he meant:

What we're referring to as "gangstalking" is what support websites for "targeted individuals" calls gangstalking - generally a massive organized effort involving a multitude of cohorts, paid and unpaid, who follow the "targeted individual" everywhere and spy on him at all hours of the day and night using all manner of sophisticated equipment, especially types that don't actually function as these sites allege.

I agree. Let's use the term as those who believe it exists use the term.

Well, I say ******** to all of that! What is Orwellian, to reiterate since you ask, is how the paranoid conspiracy cranks have seized onto shunning and mobbing tactics and behavior manifest everywhere with a long history, and hijacked the conversation. What is even more Orwellian is how denial and trivialization of pandemic bullying in the schoolyard, the workplace, the neighborhood, and just about any other walk of life, seizes onto the conveniently flagrant lunacy of the paranoid conspiracy cranks, in order to lump together and summarily dismiss virtually all complaints of abuse a'priori.

Does it make sense now?

 

[AaronAgassi]

carlitos, when I posted: "Well, I say ******** to all of that!" I meant: to Hell with your statement, not to Hell with the circumstances that which you where inaccurately describing. I hope that clears things up.

Why predatory gang stalking?? Because that's a descriptive label for an important part of the problem. Mobbing may often include gang stalking, but not always Have you ever been stalked by more than one person at a time, in concert? And how do you know that the cranks coined the term: "gang stalking."? I'll need to research that. Actually, the term may have originally applied in the study of Mussolini's rise to power. Secondly, what difference does it make? It is perfectly sensible for me to say that a phenomena that would quality as gang stalking does occur, even while remaining adamant in rejecting the crank embellishments. -Much as science permitted to speculate on the possibility of microbial life under the permafrost on mars, without having to answer for crank Ufology. I will not let you tar the credibility of what is real and reasonable, by linguistically equating it with crankery. I do not owe that to you, simply because you declare one usage privileged over the other. And clearly, I have declared mu position and am not trying to smuggle in anything by the back door. So contend with what I actually say rather than what you think that I am obliged to say.

 

[Checkmite]

I will not let you tar the credibility of what is real and reasonable, by linguistically equating it with crankery.

You are linguistically equating it with crankery by deliberately using terminology popularized by cranks. Kind of like how Wicca practitioners decided to start calling themselves "witches" and then complained about being unfairly stereotyped as evil, even though the word "witch" had been associated with evil for centuries before they decided to use it.

 

[AaronAgassi]

Oh yeah? Well the cranks agree with you! Nevertheless, I am taking back a term misappropriated for crank distortion, and throwing it back at them. I oppose their flaming and suppression of all discussion of the problem that doesn't focus upon and conform to crank fantasy.

Incidentally, the Wiccans are correct on that one score: Historically, evil witches are a stereotype arising in the persecution of folkways. And they are within their rights to say so. The only criticism to be offered is that the point might be diversionary from other questions entirely.

 

[Horatius]

-Much as science permitted to speculate on the possibility of microbial life under the permafrost on mars, without having to answer for crank Ufology.

Yes, but when scientists discuss such subjects, they don't call it "ufological life" or "greys" or "reptillians", as they know those terms are used by the whackjobs.


Show that there are a large number of people using the term "gang stalking" to describe real-world bullying tactics, and you might have a point, but:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gang+stalking


virtually all the hits you'll find on that term are the crazy ones. That's not "Orwellian", that's just how language works. If you refuse to use language the way most other people use it, you've got only yourself to blame for being misunderstood.

 

[Checkmite]

Oh yeah? Well the cranks agree with you! Nevertheless, I am taking back a term misappropriated for crank distortion, and throwing it back at them. I oppose their flaming and suppression of all discussion of the problem that doesn't focus upon and conform to crank fantasy.

Well good luck and godspeed with that; but you'll have to come to expect the confusion that inevitably ensues from such efforts. Just ask the atheists here what happened a few years back when they tried to change their popular name from "atheists" to "Brights". It failed pretty painfully.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

Speaking of gang-stalking. A mentally ill woman who stabbed several strangers in a store six years ago just did it again. She taped knives together to make a double-bladed weapon.

Starks provided her account of the Nordstrom incident to mental health professionals, saying that her “sole purpose for buying the knives and stabbing the victims with the knives was to send a message to the people that have been stalking her and following her for many years,” a doctor wrote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/woman-recently-released-from-psychiatric-facility-accused-in-stabbing-at-target-in-maryland/2011/10/12/gIQARawMgL_story.html

 

[AaronAgassi]

Oh yeah? Well the cranks agree with you! Nevertheless, I am taking back a term misappropriated for crank distortion, and throwing it back at them. I oppose their flaming and suppression of all discussion of the problem that doesn't focus upon and conform to crank fantasy.

Well good luck and godspeed with that; but you'll have to come to expect the confusion that inevitably ensues from such efforts. Just ask the atheists here what happened a few years back when they tried to change their popular name from "atheists" to "Brights". It failed pretty painfully.

When I am in online conversation with someone perfectly mild and civil who complains of suffering whatever bewildering paranoid experience, then all that I might try to suggest is that if they are indeed being gas lighted or gang stalked, it might be by the punk down the street and a hand full of cronies, rather than the global Illuminati with brain lasers! It would not make sense to tell them that at most they are only being mobbed because there is no such thing as gang stalking because it's not gang stalking unless it includes Tabloid Weird embellishment! It's hard enough as it is dealing with all the third party vitriol for daring to doubt conspiracist dogma!

And yes, there are important articles and videos on gang stalking that do not evoke Tabloid Weird conspiracism, particularly such as allege cause stalking and vigilante gang stalking, identifying the typical perpetrators as thugly cop wannabee losers! -Or such as focus upon rising Fascism and community based mobbing. But the lunatic conspiracists only tend to gloss over such fine distinctions.