Gang stalking paranoia

[The Platypus]

This is paranoid, "they are onto me" game is nothing new, CT info nuts have been accusing anyone that disagrees with them as being an "agent" paid by the gov't to follow them around online and disagree with them, as part of some "disinfo" campaign, for as long as i can remember.

I've been called an agent and seen others called agents, more times than i can count. This very forum has been accused of being full of agents so many times, it's pathetic.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

This is nothing new, CT info nuts have been accusing anyone that disagrees with them as being an "agent" paid by the gov't to follow them around online and disagree with them as some "disinfo" campaign, for as long as i can remember.

I've been called an agent and seen others called agensts, more times than i can count. This very forum has been accused of being full of agents so many times, it's pathetic.

That's exactly the kind of thing they teach you to say in "agent" school.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Apparently as a Mod on BAUT I am also an 'Agent' of some sort.

I would like to know where they send the cheque.

 

[dudalb]

For me the good argument is if the Government really wanted to "get" somebody, drive them crazy, or scare the hell out them, there are much easier and surer and cheaper ways to do it then gang stalking.

 

[Eddie Dane]

For me the good argument is if the Government really wanted to "get" somebody, drive them crazy, or scare the hell out them, there are much easier and surer and cheaper ways to do it then gang stalking.

Exactly.

The costs of keeping suspected terrorists under surveillance are enormous.

What are these supposed 'gang stalkers' supposed to be paid with?
Theme park vouchers? Air miles?

 

[Sledge]

You've gotta remember that these stalkers aren't being paid. As FriendlyAndLively said back on page 3 of this thread:

Most of the people involved are (in my opinion) not 'professional gang stalkers'. However, there is apparently some government involvement.

The government are involved, but people aren't getting paid for this. Now that really boggles my mind. The idea that the government would pay people to do this is nonsense, but the idea that people would do this for free? God damn.

 

[Eddie Dane]

And keep in mind that this is very different from informing on people when you happen to see them do something suspicious. This is confronting, labor-intensive and possibly dangerous stuff.

You know, confronting them in the street, having an argument about a parking space, breaking into their houses, switching the foot cream with their toothpaste, putting Celine Dion CD's in the Mötorhead cases, hiding their glasses in their shoes etc.

This is different from calling your friendly Stasi goon to inform him that your next door neighbor has been listening to BBC World again.

 

[Sledge]

That's what makes it so insane: the notion that scores of people are risking arrest and imprisonment just to mildly inconvenience someone they don't know. Batsqueak insane.

 

[Horatius]

That's what makes it so insane: the notion that scores of people are risking arrest and imprisonment just to mildly inconvenience someone they don't know. Batsqueak insane.

I'm glad you finally admit that those guys following me are psychotic nutbags! [/Paranoia]

 

[Sledge]

They're following you as well? We should meet up and discuss this.
*thinks*
Unless you're in on it and just trying to win my confidence so you can put my trousers in the sock drawer!

 

[Horatius]

They're following you as well? We should meet up and discuss this.
*thinks*
Unless you're in on it and just trying to win my confidence so you can put my trousers in the sock drawer!

My god! You're just as insane as the rest of them!

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

Hey, look! Even one of those crazy par-skitz "TI's" thinks there's no such thing as gang stalking!

http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/10/cia-disinformation-targeting/

 

[gnome]

"no such thing" is a dangerously unqualified statement. It implies that no gang has ever stalked anyone. Few people are in a position to know that with any confidence.

That is why I phrased it as skepticism that it exists as a widespread phenomenon.

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

I think we're all better off just assuming that anyone reporting these sorts of things is delusional. That way, we don't have to do anything.

I know that when I want to learn about the world, the very best way to do it is to hob-nob with a group of anonymous strangers who have gathered for a noble purpose, to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them.

 

[LightinDarkness]

I think we're all better off just assuming that anyone reporting these sorts of things is delusional. That way, we don't have to do anything.

I know that when I want to learn about the world, the very best way to do it is to hob-nob with a group of anonymous strangers who have gathered for a noble purpose, to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them.

I'm glad your back. I was worried about you.

There are two explanations for gang stalking, as we've discussed before:
1) There is a giant, malevolent conspiracy costing billions of dollars and involving millions of people that secretly coordinates to "target" individuals for no obvious reason and to "harass" them using tools and technology not even available to the military for no obvious purpose. Apparently, THEY would prefer to engage in all of this rather than just flat out killing these random people, which would be much cheaper/easier.

2) The reason why "gang stalking" targeted individuals exhibit the exact same symptoms as paranoid schizophrenics is because thats what they are, and by immersing yourself in these online gang stalking sites run by other ill people you are just making the delusions worse.

Now, one of these has all the evidence on its side, the other has 0 evidence for it. We're going with option 2 here because absolutely nothing has been presented to suggest otherwise. By the way, your little comments about "hob nobing with strangers and making fun of people" is just part of your delusion: no one here has made fun of you. We are genuinely concerned about your well being, as the best thing for you to do is seek treatment from a mental health professional but your illness is leading you to simply embrace the delusions. I am sorry you have to deal with this, and its terribly tragic, but its just a mental illusion.

 

[sadhatter]

I think we're all better off just assuming that anyone reporting these sorts of things is delusional. That way, we don't have to do anything.

I know that when I want to learn about the world, the very best way to do it is to hob-nob with a group of anonymous strangers who have gathered for a noble purpose, to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them.

Can i ask why , instead of showing how the arguments against you are wrong, you choose to simply imply that the people arguing against you are not looking into the issue?

Points have been raised en masse about the logistical, social, and financial hurdles that would be in place for any "gang stalking" organization. Yet you ignore these.

It just doesn't make sense. If someone attempted to claim, for example, that anti homosexual activity ( a similar phenomenon, but a real, existent one) was non existent and that people were just delusional, i could provide examples of how they are wrong. Because i have access to real information, facts and figures. I wouldn't just try and say " your not looking into it" i would show them what they are not looking into , in a way that could not be denied.

But you on the other hand avoid this entirely, why would that be, other than the fact that

A) the information your basing your claims on is ethereal at best. And you know this. Further this would indicate that on some level that you know your beliefs are based on faulty evidence.

B) your having a laugh and don't want to let the subject die with the good points raised against you.

 

[carlitos]

I think we're all better off just assuming that anyone reporting these sorts of things is delusional. That way, we don't have to do anything.

I know that when I want to learn about the world, the very best way to do it is to hob-nob with a group of anonymous strangers who have gathered for a noble purpose, to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them.

You missed this post; I'm sure it was just an oversight.

I've read the book before, but I don't have it handy. I'm sure it's available at your local library. I may eventually be able to get my hands on it again and provide a quote, but of course I can't do this immediately.

Liar

However, there is apparently some government involvement.

Evidence please?

As I've alluded to in a previous post, most of the gang stalkers are on a need to know basis. The small minority who really know what it's all about have extralegal incentives - ranging from blackmail to credible death threats - for not speaking up.

Evidence please?

What you're looking at is an open secret. Many police informants know they are being asked to harass people, how could they not know? They probably also realize the people they're being sent after have been targeted for extralegal harassment. What they don't know is just how extensive the targeting is.

Here would be a good place for you to give even one sourced example. One police informant that knows they are targeting a person and harassing them.

Thus far, you have provided zero evidence for your extraordinary claims. I would echo the previous posts and ask you to please seek help. Or, if you prefer, provide evidence for your claims.

Really, please feel free to answer any and all of the above.

As for your claim:

to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them

I hope that FriendlyAndLively is OK.

 

[Ladewig]

I think we're all better off just assuming that anyone reporting these sorts of things is delusional.

That way, we don't have to do anything.

What would you have us go against such a government? Seriously, what would you have us do?

I know that when I want to learn about the world, the very best way to do it is to hob-nob with a group of anonymous strangers who have gathered for a noble purpose, to categorize a group of people as delusional and make fun of them.

I'm late to the thread, how many people were making fun of the sick people and how amny people were making fun of the people selling things to the sick people?

 

[Ladewig]

That's what makes it so insane: the notion that scores of people are risking arrest and imprisonment just to mildly inconvenience someone they don't know. Batsqueak insane.

Just to play devil's advocate.

If I were in charge of a government program to gang stalk people (and I am not). I would simply monitor local police activity for drug possession arrests. I'd show up, flash my badge and ask to talk to the suspect alone. I'd then tell him that his choices are to go to jail (and I will personally see that the judge is biased against him) or to do some chores for me. I'd explain that once a week, I want him to follow a person for a whole day. He is not to attack or threaten the subject in any way. If the subject notices him, he is to give the subject a suspicious look and leave. My suspect now has the choice of spending years in a state penitentiary or following a person without breaking any laws or causing the person any physical harm. I am untouchable, because even if the suspect tries to inform on me, I can say that his drug-addled mind made up the whole thing. Plus, I have the bonus that if the suspect decides to try to help the subject by approaching him and saying that the government is using blackmail to make people follow the subject, I have now tripled the paranoia of the subject and there is still no tangible evidence.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Just to play devil's advocate.

If I were in charge of a government program to gang stalk people (and I am not). I would simply monitor local police activity for drug possession arrests. I'd show up, flash my badge and ask to talk to the suspect alone. I'd then tell him that his choices are to go to jail (and I will personally see that the judge is biased against him) or to do some chores for me. I'd explain that once a week, I want him to follow a person for a whole day. He is not to attack or threaten the subject in any way. If the subject notices him, he is to give the subject a suspicious look and leave. My suspect now has the choice of spending years in a state penitentiary or following a person without breaking any laws or causing the person any physical harm. I am untouchable, because even if the suspect tries to inform on me, I can say that his drug-addled mind made up the whole thing. Plus, I have the bonus that if the suspect decides to try to help the subject by approaching him and saying that the government is using blackmail to make people follow the subject, I have now tripled the paranoia of the subject and there is still no tangible evidence.

Playing along with the scenario: If this sort of methodology were used, you mean to tell me that out of the tens of thousands (or more) drug possession arrests that happen every year, every single person has went along with this and no one at any time silently recorded the conversation, even though we have cases all the time of police interaction where a party silently recorded the entire event.

Of course, this also still leaves unresolved as to why the government would engage in such tactics and go to such lengths to gang stalk people. If the goal is to keep them silent on something, killing them would be cheaper and you'd be less likely to be caught.