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Galloway is back

If you don't believe a video of Galloway funding terrorists is evidence that he funded terrorists, his record of moral support for Hamas and Hezbollah speaks for itself.

Do you support Hamas and Hezbollah? If not, what do you think of people who do?
 
WildCat said:
It's hard to clean up the mess 500 years of European colonialism created.


I know, you guys like to defecate on the bed and then run off and criticize the way others clean up the mess.
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Actually colonialism did a lot of good. That's the only point I disagree with but otherwise good post.
 
Childlike Empress said:
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Hamas admits they are a terrorist group.

Under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

- Hamas Charter Article 6

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

- Hamas Charter Article 7

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam.

-Hamas Charter Article 31

The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.

Leaving the circle of struggle with Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who does that. "for whoso shall turn his back unto them on that day, unless he turneth aside to fight, or retreateth to another party of the faithful, shall draw on himself the indignation of Allah, and his abode shall be hell; an ill journey shall it be thither." (The Spoils - verse 16). There is no way out except by concentrating all powers and energies to face this Nazi, vicious Tatar invasion. The alternative is loss of one's country, the dispersion of citizens, the spread of vice on earth and the destruction of religious values. Let every person know that he is responsible before Allah, for "the doer of the slightest good deed is rewarded in like, and the does of the slightest evil deed is also rewarded in like."

- Hamas charter Article 32​

Paranoid conspiracist fever dreams, threats of genocide against other ethnic and religious groups, threats of retribution against those who won't assist their genocide, demands that they alone be allowed to govern everyone or else there will be war*... plus various miscellaneous sociopathic rantings of unhinged loons with access to explosives.

Their "logic", if you can call it that, that they want to murder all the jews and anyone who doesn't like that is a Nazi is especially bizarre. It's like they understand that "nazi" means something bad, but they don't have a bloody clue why.

I can't imagine why you have such a hard time with this, CLE (actually, I can, it's rather obvious).



*Being the beneficiary of a western liberal secular democratic state, the one thing that I will agree with Hamas on is that as long as there exists, people who think that only one ethno-religious minority should be allowed to hold positions in government, that there really should be war. More war than the violent genocidal fanatics can enjoy. And as long as we have air forces and they don't, and our military technology is 70 years ahead of theirs (and climbing), I'm perfectly ok with that.
 
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angrysoba said:
Galloway went to the US to testify to the Senate in 2005 or 2006 so it is a few years before he was publically handing over wads of money to Hamas.
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Galloway was on a speaking tour in the US before he went to Canada, after the whole funding event in Gaza. The US has yet to officially block Galloway. I guess Hamas will go the same way the PLO went after its reign of terror. Just as long as it talks 'peace' or in Hamas's case 'hudna', it would be sufficient to be removed from a terrorist organization list.

The Canadians went about blocking Galloway in the wrong way, making the issue more politically charged rather than making the issue primarily that of providing financial aid to a listed terrorist group. It gave the judge who overturned the decision in 2010 easier.

One of the statements of the judge who overturned the decision which I find very strange:

U.K. politician George Galloway flies to Toronto on Saturday after court decision
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"To suggest, however, that contributions to Hamas for such purposes makes the donor a party to any terrorist crimes committed by the organization goes beyond the parliamentary intent and the legislative language. The purpose to which the funds are donated must be to enhance the ability of the organization to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity. Absent such a purpose, the mere assertion that material support was provided to such an organization is not sufficient. To hold otherwise could ensnare innocent Canadians who make donations to organizations they believe, in good faith, to be engaged in humanitarian works."
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Which reads to me that if a terrorist organization has a good enough public campaign presenting its humanitarian cause, and Canadians dumb enough to fall for said campaign, can't possibly to prosecuted for enhancing "...the ability of the organization to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity", regardless if said organization is listed as a terrorist organization. Providing a listed terrorist organization with actual money and material support is not sufficient evidence.

What would be though? If the money in question has a paper trail leading directly to the purchase of a 155mm mortar round? Or a few kilos of explosives? Or the construction of a bomb making facility within Khan Younis? What would be sufficient?

The list below on that article linked is a bit laughable though, ie KAIROS and its support/statements/etc regarding Israel is disguised under "criticism", or the UNRWA is "smeared".
 
zooterkin said:
Well, you were supposed to show that it was a terrorist organisation that the money was given to, but you seem to have shown the opposite.
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Hamas = Listed terrorist group. Just because the UK doesn't list it as one, doesn't mean it isn't one.

Perhaps you can explain the logic you used to come to the above conclusion.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Hamas = Listed terrorist group. Just because the UK doesn't list it as one, doesn't mean it isn't one.

Perhaps you can explain the logic you used to come to the above conclusion.
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Try to keep up, old chap. We're talking about whether it was illegal for him to have given the money, since giving money to a terrorist organisation is illegal in the UK, and why he hadn't been charged for doing so. Since he's in the UK, it doesn't matter whether the US or any other country regards Hamas as a terrorist organisation, only whether the UK does.

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Darat said:
People are jailed for such offences in the UK so if there was actual evidence that he did this he would have been jailed a long time ago.
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zooterkin said:
Try to keep up, old chap. We're talking about whether it was illegal for him to have given the money, since giving money to a terrorist organisation is illegal in the UK, and why he hadn't been charged for doing so. Since he's in the UK, it doesn't matter whether the US or any other country regards Hamas as a terrorist organisation, only whether the UK does.
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Schoolboy error, old bean - the US is the only actual country anyway, everywhere else is just barbarians, and clearly the US list is the definitive list of actual terrorists. If the UK insists on disregarding the primacy of American Truth then it might well end up on the list itself. As for you, how do you fancy experiencing extraordinary rendition followed by waterboarding and psychological torture? There's room on the list for you. Terrorists are enemies of the US and enemies of the US are terrorists. It is the right of the USA to terrorise terrorists, terrorist suspects, enemies of the state, questioners of the state, citizens of the state, foreigners and people with beards.
 
Virus said:


China is the greatest mass-murderer in human history.
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That's a matter of definitions. However the issue raised was one of foreign policy not internal issues. Would you like some help in understanding the difference?
 
I love the way Galloway rolls his Rs. Does that make me a terrorist sympathizer?
 
geni said:
That's a matter of definitions. However the issue raised was one of foreign policy not internal issues. Would you like some help in understanding the difference?
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The difference you raise is "a matter of definitions".
 
angrysoba said:
Well, a world war actually led to the Weimar Republic which was never really a very stable democracy from the beginning. It started out with extreme factions variously trying to take over power and having to be brutally put down by paramilitary groups. I don't think the UK is anything like in the state the Weimar Republic was in.
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If I were to judge the condition of the UK based solely on the general timbre of the UK posters I encounter on the internet, I would conclude that the UK has joined the list of European countries teetering on the brink of dissolution.
 
Captain_Snort said:
I, for one, salute his courage, his strength, his indefatigability.
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And I also salute his courageous, strong, indefatigable, self-absorbed pursuit of money and power, in the only way he knows - by being completely counterproductive, thereby stirring the counterproductive lusts of potential political and monetary supporters.
 
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zooterkin said:
Try to keep up, old chap. We're talking about whether it was illegal for him to have given the money, since giving money to a terrorist organisation is illegal in the UK, and why he hadn't been charged for doing so. Since he's in the UK, it doesn't matter whether the US or any other country regards Hamas as a terrorist organisation, only whether the UK does.

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Since you're such a fan of being pedantic, Galloway should have been arrested whilst trying to entering a country where Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization. I have read back, and nowhere does it specifically state that he should be jailed in the UK.

Or has he indeed never left the UK to countries where Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization? I think he has.

I've already stated that the UK doesn't list Hamas as one, so no help needed, ta.
 
WildCat said:
It all depends on what hat they're wearing at the time, you see. Kind of like how John Gacy ceased being a serial killer when he was working on remodeling someone's kitchen.
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More like Sinn Fein versus the PIRA.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Hamas = Listed terrorist group. Just because the UK doesn't list it as one, doesn't mean it isn't one.
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A statement that is pretty meaningless since it would be pretty trivial to create a vast list of organisations and title it "list of terrorist groups". In fact I can think of a few politicaly non mainstream organisations who have pretty much done this. Generaly if you want to describe someone as a listed terrorist group it is best to describe by whom.
 
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