Gahhh! Hillary's trippin'!

sunmaster14 said:
For me, it's more about the dishonesty. I am convinced that if Hillary had a serious health problem, she and her campaign would try to cover it up. If she were honest about being in poor health, I actually wouldn't care all that much. The Presidency is larger than any one person. If she can't do the job, presumably Kaine will, in addition to all of her advisers.
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No it's not. If it were about dishonesty, you wouldn't be supporting Trump.
 
NoahFence said:
No it's not. If it were about dishonesty, you wouldn't be supporting Trump.
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Trump's lies are obvious and transparent. They don't bother me because he doesn't have hordes of powerful flacks defending him and attacking his detractors. Perhaps this is too subtle a point for you to understand. If so, I won't waste any more time.
 
sunmaster14 said:
It's true. Hillary is rivaled in calculated dishonesty only by her husband.
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You are right, Trump outstrips them by so much in that regard it would be hard to call them rivals :p

Seriously, I don't like Clinton as a candidate, and with just about any other Republican opponent I would be happy to let the country burn for a 4-8 years under Republican leadership, as I feel candidates like Clinton help push the Democratic party further to the right. Yet somehow the Republicans have managed what I thought was impossible: nominating a candidate that actually made voting for "the lesser of two evils" make sense to me. Normally I encourage people to vote their conscience, find some third party candidate that more closely aligns with your ideals if the big two don't. Normally I poo-poo the fear-mongering of election season. When Bush was re-elected I didn't think it was some sort of disaster the country would never recover from (and laughed at the people who talked about leaving the country if he was re-elected).

Yet the Republicans nominated Trump...... Frankly all the Hillary boosters should be kissing that guy's feet, because I have a strong feeling pretty much any other Republican candidate would wipe the floor with her due to the apathy voters like me feel toward her. So yeah, Hillary could be on her death bed, hooked up to life support, and in a permanent coma, and I still would do everything within my power to see that she was not just the first female President, but the first President in a permanent vegetative state ever elected, rather than see Trump attain the most powerful position in the Western world.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Trump's lies are obvious and transparent. They don't bother me because he doesn't have hordes of powerful flacks defending him and attacking his detractors. Perhaps this is too subtle a point for you to understand. If so, I won't waste any more time.
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:rolleyes:
This is a very nonsensical post. It is pure hypocrisy.
 
Personally, I fully advocate that both candidates disclose their health information. To my knowledge, neither candidate has. I heard on the news this morning that McCain disclosed a large number of records when he ran (more than 1000 pages) if memory serves.

However, I'm not going speculate on the health condition of either candidate because even a qualified doctor can make many absurd and inaccurate diagnoses on a 30 second video let alone a rank amateur like myself.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if both candidates have some serious health issues but until I see strong and well supported medical evidence of one condition or another, I will refuse to speculate.
 
Fizil said:
You know, with all this back and forth about her health, has anyone considered it doesn't matter. There is a reason there is a Vice Presidential candidate. There is a reason we have rules of succession when the President is ill/dies.
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If the president ups and dies, then obviously everything transitions to the vice president, and that's that. The problem is more what happens if the president is NOT dead, but only sick. If they aren't completely incapacitated, but still well below full capacity, what do you do? The vice president can't take over. Decision-making gets slowed down under these circumstances. It may also lead to poor decisions if the president doesn't have the normal level of focus and energy to devote to the job because of illness. Even if the president delegates some authority to the VP, there's a switching cost any time you have to transfer decision-making authority back and forth, and if the president keeps getting sick, then you keep incurring those transition costs.
 
I'm no fan of either candidate, but...

...if health issues do keep Hillary out of office, I would see that as a tragic ending to her life story. Love her or hate her, she has certainly worked with determination to have a shot at the presidency. To have it end because of health issues would be sad - not just desserts like I'm sure some will celebrate.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I'm no fan of either candidate, but...

...if health issues do keep Hillary out of office, I would see that as a tragic ending to her life story. Love her or hate her, she has certainly worked with determination to have a shot at the presidency. To have it end because of health issues would be sad - not just desserts like I'm sure some will celebrate.
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Thanks Obama.
 
I'd buy the walking pneumonia story if it was just one faint. It's the varying condition the last few months, as noted by others too, I didn't make it up. It's the fall that broke her elbow. It's a "brain injury from a clot" story too. It's needing help up the stairs.

Anybody who only sees the one faint has her head in the sand, S.G.?

Is coughing possibly neurological? Hypoglycemia from diabetes? Parkinsons? M.S.?

I'd believe electrolyte imbalance caused by water pills, taken to treat hypertension.

Didn't she kind of step down the Sec. State sort of suddenly? And "not running for pres" at the time? Where does that fit into a health time line? Maybe she started provigil, "feeling much better now", and decided to run?
 
sunmaster14 said:
Trump's lies are obvious and transparent. They don't bother me because he doesn't have hordes of powerful flacks defending him and attacking his detractors. Perhaps this is too subtle a point for you to understand. If so, I won't waste any more time.
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"So," Trump's obvious lies are okay because they're obvious, but Hillary's lies are deplorable because they're subtle.

Well, there goes your remaining credibility.
 
It's Bernie Sanders, slowly poisoning her in revenge! He's been giving her henbane, arsenic, and kale smoothies! Which is deplorable because kale is gross.
 
Stepping waaaaay back from the specific issue and the typical bipartisan bickering...

To what degree we as a voter base should be concerned with the health of people in high office and/or people running for high office is an interesting and not easy to answer one.

On one hand no one here can deny that high level political positions are high stress jobs that are certainly very hard on a person's health. And a death/serious illness taking a person out of office during a politically tense moment is not a scenario we can just ignore out of hand.

Does this translate to "Person has to met X level of fitness and/or not have health issue Y to be eligible for office?" No not necessarily.

//sidenote// No matter how many times I hear it hearing someone's entourage of assistants and support staff referred to as their "Handlers" will always sound odd to me.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's Bernie Sanders, slowly poisoning her in revenge! He's been giving her henbane, arsenic, and kale smoothies! Which is deplorable because kale is gross.
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Believe it or not, eating lots of kale while on warfarin could kill you. Stuff is nasty IMO.
 
Upchurch said:
For what it's worth, a few years ago, I had walking pneumonia for a month before I realized it was more than a persistent cold and went to have it checked out. All told, I probably had it for three months before I got rid of it and I didn't miss any work because of it, other than doctor appointments.
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TubbaBlubba said:
Yeah, same here, and I was like, 20, with a normal immune system to my knowledge. Lots of mucus, a bit of a persistent cough, but I was not even that tired. Mycoplasma, meh.
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My wife has since gently reminded me I had bronchitis, not pneumonia, for all that time. We only thought it was pneumonia for a while and "pneumonia" is, apparently, an easier term for me to remember than "bronchitis".
 
casebro said:
Is coughing possibly neurological? Hypoglycemia from diabetes? Parkinsons? M.S.?
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The coughing itself is probably not neurological. But if she has a neurological problem (like Parkinson's) which interferes with the ability to swallow normally, that can lead to aspiration pneumonia. Basically stuff (like food) gets into the lungs that shouldn't, and that leads to infection. Because the underlying cause (swallowing difficulty) can't be cured, aspiration pneumonia frequently re-occurs. So a neurological problem can easily lead to coughing fits like what we saw, but it's an indirect mechanism.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Conservatives will believe Trump's "doctor" but not Hillary's physician. Wow.
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I don't know anybody who believes Trump's doctor, but there's little reason to question his health. He has shown amazing energy on the campaign trail. I specifically remember him giving a long speech on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport in 104 degree heat, in a business suit. Now, I think they set up some kind of cooling system for him (fans and ice or whatnot), but I doubt it could be all that effective.
 
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