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Closing in here! The eyewitness material is sensitive, especially the Barry Jennings part. When I first heard about his death and the PI Dylan very hired, as a minister at funerals I hit the ceiling. I have a strong protective instinct for grieving families... it's a devastating time. I tried hard to keep my outrage at bay. Let me know if you have any comments around that as well as the data itself.
Part 15: Eyewitness Accounts, Foreknowledge of Destruction
Slide: intro
EYEWITNESSES OF BUILDING 7
Face: We are now in part 15 of our respectful rebuttal of Richard Gage’s 911 video Blueprint for Truth. Richard Gage has a series of compelling eyewitness accounts around both the Twin Towers and Building 7. We will ask ourselves if these accounts from eyewitnesses to the Building 7 collapse are evidence of bombs or just the kinds of explosions one would expect to hear in a major fire. We’ll also look at Richard’s evidence that people knew in advance that Building 7 was going to fall and add some testimony of our own. Then we’ll ask ourselves what it would take to plant bombs and shaped charges and thermate cutting devices throughout all three buildings in preparation for controlled demolitions.
So let’s begin with the eyewitness accounts of explosions in Building 7. The problem with eyewitness accounts is that unlike the laws of physics, the accounts often change.
Six years after 911, and weeks after an email hoax in 2007 to Dylan Avery about a Building 7 countdown, first responder and 911 hero Kevin McPadden came forth to say the firefighters “got a vibe” Building 7 was coming down, there was something he couldn’t exactly hear that sounded like a countdown, then in the last few seconds they looked at him weird as if to say run for your life. Here’s Kevin talking at a 911 meeting in 2007:
PLAY VIDEO WITH KEVIN’S WORDS IN DARK ROOM.
SETUP VIDEO OF KEVIN WITH BRIGHT SKY A few months later he changed his story, claiming he heard someone say they are bringing the building down, and this time he asserted that he definitely heard a countdown all the way to 3,2,1. So here is the very different testimony Kevin gave which appears in Gage’s Blueprint for Truth.
PLAY VIDEO OF KEVIN WITH BRIGHT SKY
Face: So which story do we believe? You will have to decide that for yourself.
Another Building 7 eyewitness was Michael Hess, Giuliani’s chief lawyer. He and his fellow city worker Barry Jennings got caught in Building 7 and barely escaped with their lives. Michael Hess said that he heard and felt the building shake like an earthquake for 5-10 seconds prior to the collapse of either tower. But in 2007, he too changed his story, claiming in a BBC interview that he got his timing wrong and that the 10-second-long earthquake sound was most likely were caused by tower debris hitting the building later in the morning . “There were no explosions. That was caused by the north half of #1 falling onto the southern half of our building.” He compared what he heard to a loud rumbling earthquake, not the stacatto blasts of explosions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfctTxaIZY
Which story do you believe this time? Will you decide that based on what you believe about the destruction of the Building 7?
Barry Jennings, a City Emergency Coordinator who carries real credibility, did not change his story. He went to work after hearing that a Cessna had crashed into the World Trade Center and headed up to the 23rd floor, arriving around 10 am, shortly after the 945 am evacuation order cleared the building. The power went out, he heard explosions before the collapse, and he broke out a window. The firefighters below ran away, and he said “I had no way of knowing” why the ran. He testified that one tower was still standing at that time.
Hearing explosions prior to the collapse of the towers is serious evidence for bombs in Building 7. It directly contradicts the revised testimony of Michael Hess. Unlike Hess, Jennings stuck with his story. He then got so many phone calls from 911 folks at his job he was afraid he would be fired. He died in 2008, the cause of death was revealed only to next of kin. So we are now left with one credible witness whose testimony is directly contradicted by the only person who could have corroborated his story. There is video of Jennings waving his arms out an 8th story window, but no time is attached to that tape, so it is impossible to use it to confirm the time frame Barry Jennings lays out in his testimony. One 911 Truth activist told me that eyewitness testimony is valuable when you can see a pattern of testimony, not just one person. And yet he also thinks Barry Jennings’s individual testimony carries a high degree of credibility, even though he is one individual. Was Jennings’s account accurate, or was he confused by the time frame? Did the angle he was looking at the towers from plus all the dust and chaos distort his perceptions of which towers were standing when? Or did his training in emergency management make him a more professional and clear-headed witness than the average person? Does Michael Hess have more or less credibility than Barry Jennings? Who do you believe?
Barry Jennings died in 2008. There’s suspicion about this. But in my work I’ve sat across from 200 grieving families helping prepare funerals and memorial services. I have talked with families where deceased had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from a war and either drank selves to death, had a drug overdose, committed suicide or otherwise died in ways the family doesn’t want to reveal. Other families keep cause of death secret even for a simple heart attack or to push away public brouhaha in time of grief. 911 activist and radio broadcaster Dylan Avery hired a Private Investigator to find Jennings’s cause of death. That was unethical. The PI came back and said he was dropping the investigation. I called a PI myself and askjed why that may have happened. I was told that PI’s back off to avoid criminal or civil liability; Barry Jennings’ family may have had to hire a lawyer to chase the Dylan Avery’s PI away. I beg all 9121 Truth activists to please respect the privacy of a grieving family and show compassion for their situation.
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhwCM_dicc
Foreknowledge of Destruction
Richard Gage talks about foreknowledge of the destruction of Building 7. Kevin Paddington’s changing countdown testimony is one example. The BBC and other news outlets reporting on the destruction of Building 7 prior to its collapse is another. WTC 7's collapse was indeed anticipated for several hours and the building had been evacuated. I’ve been a classical music radio announcer surrounded by news journalists since 1979, and I was stunned that the BBC’s journalistic error became grounds for suspicion of the official 911 story. But apparently the story of a BBC reporter announcing the collapse of Building 7 before it happened has real traction in the 911 Truth community, so I spent a few hours researching what actually happened.
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden of the New York Fire Department recalled: "We had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor, and see if there was any movement of, [WTC 7]. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building. And we had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him, if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse, and if so, how soon?" The engineer apparently predicts correctly that WTC 7 will collapse and also the time it will take before it comes down. As Hayden will continue: "And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money, that he said, `In its current state, you have about five hours.'" Hayden will not reveal the name of this engineer but he told his story to the BBC in 2008. [BBC, 7/6/2008] The engineer made his prediction around midday on 911.
CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:
"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."
On 911, reporters also said that Camp David had been hit by a plane. Forbes Magazine reported that “A car bomb exploded outside the State Department, according to State Department sources. CBS News reported that as many as eight planes have been hijacked and only four have been accounted for.”
It is not hard to imagine how such mistakes could be made.
Slide of Dewey Beats Truman The media make mistakes, especially when there is no time to sift through and analyze fast-moving information. As NIST reported, "The large dust clouds generated by the collapse of WTC 1 hid the lower portions of WTC 7 from view for over 20 min following the collapse." So firefighters on the ground saw only dust where Building 7 was until around 10:50 am and may have reported it as having come down. Alternatively, firefighters peering through the smoke right after the collapse of the second tower saw the large gash in Building 7 and huge flames and my have said, Oh My God another building may come down! Someone may have heard that as, another building came down, and the Reuters guy on the phone to report it. Some media outlets followed along, like the BBC whose reporters were watching other TV stations to get their information. Other media outlets like ABC--which I was watching-- heard the first hand accounts of the firefighters correctly, got a live video shot of the burning Building 7, and predicted the imminent collapse of Building 7 based on a correct hearing of the firefighters’ claims and direct observation of Building 7, where they have a video camera trained.
In Richard Gage’s presentations and on his Blueprint for Truth video, Richard simply shows the BBC reporter announcing the collapse of Building 7 while the building is standing behind her. Then he gives his standard laugh line, “What were they psychic?” I know my explanation was longer and less funny, and it won’t get applause like Richard’s line, but after you finish laughing, just think for a second. Which makes more sense: that the BBC made a Dewey Beats Truman kind of mistake, or that the BBC was somehow let in on the collapse of Building 7. What POSSIBLE value could there be in telling the media about your secret plans for a false flag operation? The BBC reporter who made that mistake has been repeatedly confronted by 911 Truth activists. I think it’s past time she be left alone.
There certainly was foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7. All kinds of firefighters have testified to seeing the building losing its structural integrity, and many experienced firefighters predicted its collapse just by looking at the way the structure was bulging. The top fire chief Daniel Nigro acted on this observation:
Slide Fire Chief Nigro
I feared a collapse of Building 7 (as did many on my staff). The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of 7. Building 7 was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. Fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them. For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after,... WTC 7 collapsed. Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Here is a video of Firefighter Miller talking about the impending collapse of Building 7: PLAY VIDEO OF FIREFIGHTER MILLER
Here’s Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy: It was fully engulfed. That whole building – there were pieces of tower two in building seven and the corners of the building missing. You could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other. That’s an entire block.
And Deputy Chief Peter Hayden: We saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse.
John Norman: At the edge of the south face you could see it was very very heavily damaged.
Fire Captain Chris Boyle: Butch said forget it, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped.
At 5:20, No. 7 finally falls. There's a stampede over pickaxes and oxygen tanks. They head out toward the crushed fire trucks.
"They're looking for their brothers," says an ambulance driver.
Firefighters had just lost hundreds of their brothers and weren’t thinking about how no tall steel structure ever collapsed due to fire. All of these firefighters and more said structure buckling just like any other building about to go down. There was definitely foreknowledge of Building 7's destruction... the firefighters whose lives depend on knowing these things predicted it.
Closing in here! The eyewitness material is sensitive, especially the Barry Jennings part. When I first heard about his death and the PI Dylan very hired, as a minister at funerals I hit the ceiling. I have a strong protective instinct for grieving families... it's a devastating time. I tried hard to keep my outrage at bay. Let me know if you have any comments around that as well as the data itself.
Part 15: Eyewitness Accounts, Foreknowledge of Destruction
Slide: intro
EYEWITNESSES OF BUILDING 7
Face: We are now in part 15 of our respectful rebuttal of Richard Gage’s 911 video Blueprint for Truth. Richard Gage has a series of compelling eyewitness accounts around both the Twin Towers and Building 7. We will ask ourselves if these accounts from eyewitnesses to the Building 7 collapse are evidence of bombs or just the kinds of explosions one would expect to hear in a major fire. We’ll also look at Richard’s evidence that people knew in advance that Building 7 was going to fall and add some testimony of our own. Then we’ll ask ourselves what it would take to plant bombs and shaped charges and thermate cutting devices throughout all three buildings in preparation for controlled demolitions.
So let’s begin with the eyewitness accounts of explosions in Building 7. The problem with eyewitness accounts is that unlike the laws of physics, the accounts often change.
Six years after 911, and weeks after an email hoax in 2007 to Dylan Avery about a Building 7 countdown, first responder and 911 hero Kevin McPadden came forth to say the firefighters “got a vibe” Building 7 was coming down, there was something he couldn’t exactly hear that sounded like a countdown, then in the last few seconds they looked at him weird as if to say run for your life. Here’s Kevin talking at a 911 meeting in 2007:
PLAY VIDEO WITH KEVIN’S WORDS IN DARK ROOM.
SETUP VIDEO OF KEVIN WITH BRIGHT SKY A few months later he changed his story, claiming he heard someone say they are bringing the building down, and this time he asserted that he definitely heard a countdown all the way to 3,2,1. So here is the very different testimony Kevin gave which appears in Gage’s Blueprint for Truth.
PLAY VIDEO OF KEVIN WITH BRIGHT SKY
Face: So which story do we believe? You will have to decide that for yourself.
Another Building 7 eyewitness was Michael Hess, Giuliani’s chief lawyer. He and his fellow city worker Barry Jennings got caught in Building 7 and barely escaped with their lives. Michael Hess said that he heard and felt the building shake like an earthquake for 5-10 seconds prior to the collapse of either tower. But in 2007, he too changed his story, claiming in a BBC interview that he got his timing wrong and that the 10-second-long earthquake sound was most likely were caused by tower debris hitting the building later in the morning . “There were no explosions. That was caused by the north half of #1 falling onto the southern half of our building.” He compared what he heard to a loud rumbling earthquake, not the stacatto blasts of explosions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfctTxaIZY
Which story do you believe this time? Will you decide that based on what you believe about the destruction of the Building 7?
Barry Jennings, a City Emergency Coordinator who carries real credibility, did not change his story. He went to work after hearing that a Cessna had crashed into the World Trade Center and headed up to the 23rd floor, arriving around 10 am, shortly after the 945 am evacuation order cleared the building. The power went out, he heard explosions before the collapse, and he broke out a window. The firefighters below ran away, and he said “I had no way of knowing” why the ran. He testified that one tower was still standing at that time.
Hearing explosions prior to the collapse of the towers is serious evidence for bombs in Building 7. It directly contradicts the revised testimony of Michael Hess. Unlike Hess, Jennings stuck with his story. He then got so many phone calls from 911 folks at his job he was afraid he would be fired. He died in 2008, the cause of death was revealed only to next of kin. So we are now left with one credible witness whose testimony is directly contradicted by the only person who could have corroborated his story. There is video of Jennings waving his arms out an 8th story window, but no time is attached to that tape, so it is impossible to use it to confirm the time frame Barry Jennings lays out in his testimony. One 911 Truth activist told me that eyewitness testimony is valuable when you can see a pattern of testimony, not just one person. And yet he also thinks Barry Jennings’s individual testimony carries a high degree of credibility, even though he is one individual. Was Jennings’s account accurate, or was he confused by the time frame? Did the angle he was looking at the towers from plus all the dust and chaos distort his perceptions of which towers were standing when? Or did his training in emergency management make him a more professional and clear-headed witness than the average person? Does Michael Hess have more or less credibility than Barry Jennings? Who do you believe?
Barry Jennings died in 2008. There’s suspicion about this. But in my work I’ve sat across from 200 grieving families helping prepare funerals and memorial services. I have talked with families where deceased had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from a war and either drank selves to death, had a drug overdose, committed suicide or otherwise died in ways the family doesn’t want to reveal. Other families keep cause of death secret even for a simple heart attack or to push away public brouhaha in time of grief. 911 activist and radio broadcaster Dylan Avery hired a Private Investigator to find Jennings’s cause of death. That was unethical. The PI came back and said he was dropping the investigation. I called a PI myself and askjed why that may have happened. I was told that PI’s back off to avoid criminal or civil liability; Barry Jennings’ family may have had to hire a lawyer to chase the Dylan Avery’s PI away. I beg all 9121 Truth activists to please respect the privacy of a grieving family and show compassion for their situation.
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhwCM_dicc
Foreknowledge of Destruction
Richard Gage talks about foreknowledge of the destruction of Building 7. Kevin Paddington’s changing countdown testimony is one example. The BBC and other news outlets reporting on the destruction of Building 7 prior to its collapse is another. WTC 7's collapse was indeed anticipated for several hours and the building had been evacuated. I’ve been a classical music radio announcer surrounded by news journalists since 1979, and I was stunned that the BBC’s journalistic error became grounds for suspicion of the official 911 story. But apparently the story of a BBC reporter announcing the collapse of Building 7 before it happened has real traction in the 911 Truth community, so I spent a few hours researching what actually happened.
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden of the New York Fire Department recalled: "We had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor, and see if there was any movement of, [WTC 7]. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building. And we had a discussion with one particular engineer there, and we asked him, if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse, and if so, how soon?" The engineer apparently predicts correctly that WTC 7 will collapse and also the time it will take before it comes down. As Hayden will continue: "And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money, that he said, `In its current state, you have about five hours.'" Hayden will not reveal the name of this engineer but he told his story to the BBC in 2008. [BBC, 7/6/2008] The engineer made his prediction around midday on 911.
CNN Reported at 11:07 am that Building 7 had collapsed at 10:45, or 15 minutes after the second tower collapse at around 10:30. CNN got their misinformation from the respected news agency Reuters, which picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:
"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."
On 911, reporters also said that Camp David had been hit by a plane. Forbes Magazine reported that “A car bomb exploded outside the State Department, according to State Department sources. CBS News reported that as many as eight planes have been hijacked and only four have been accounted for.”
It is not hard to imagine how such mistakes could be made.
Slide of Dewey Beats Truman The media make mistakes, especially when there is no time to sift through and analyze fast-moving information. As NIST reported, "The large dust clouds generated by the collapse of WTC 1 hid the lower portions of WTC 7 from view for over 20 min following the collapse." So firefighters on the ground saw only dust where Building 7 was until around 10:50 am and may have reported it as having come down. Alternatively, firefighters peering through the smoke right after the collapse of the second tower saw the large gash in Building 7 and huge flames and my have said, Oh My God another building may come down! Someone may have heard that as, another building came down, and the Reuters guy on the phone to report it. Some media outlets followed along, like the BBC whose reporters were watching other TV stations to get their information. Other media outlets like ABC--which I was watching-- heard the first hand accounts of the firefighters correctly, got a live video shot of the burning Building 7, and predicted the imminent collapse of Building 7 based on a correct hearing of the firefighters’ claims and direct observation of Building 7, where they have a video camera trained.
In Richard Gage’s presentations and on his Blueprint for Truth video, Richard simply shows the BBC reporter announcing the collapse of Building 7 while the building is standing behind her. Then he gives his standard laugh line, “What were they psychic?” I know my explanation was longer and less funny, and it won’t get applause like Richard’s line, but after you finish laughing, just think for a second. Which makes more sense: that the BBC made a Dewey Beats Truman kind of mistake, or that the BBC was somehow let in on the collapse of Building 7. What POSSIBLE value could there be in telling the media about your secret plans for a false flag operation? The BBC reporter who made that mistake has been repeatedly confronted by 911 Truth activists. I think it’s past time she be left alone.
There certainly was foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7. All kinds of firefighters have testified to seeing the building losing its structural integrity, and many experienced firefighters predicted its collapse just by looking at the way the structure was bulging. The top fire chief Daniel Nigro acted on this observation:
Slide Fire Chief Nigro
I feared a collapse of Building 7 (as did many on my staff). The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of 7. Building 7 was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. Fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them. For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after,... WTC 7 collapsed. Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Here is a video of Firefighter Miller talking about the impending collapse of Building 7: PLAY VIDEO OF FIREFIGHTER MILLER
Here’s Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy: It was fully engulfed. That whole building – there were pieces of tower two in building seven and the corners of the building missing. You could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other. That’s an entire block.
And Deputy Chief Peter Hayden: We saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse.
John Norman: At the edge of the south face you could see it was very very heavily damaged.
Fire Captain Chris Boyle: Butch said forget it, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped.
At 5:20, No. 7 finally falls. There's a stampede over pickaxes and oxygen tanks. They head out toward the crushed fire trucks.
"They're looking for their brothers," says an ambulance driver.
Firefighters had just lost hundreds of their brothers and weren’t thinking about how no tall steel structure ever collapsed due to fire. All of these firefighters and more said structure buckling just like any other building about to go down. There was definitely foreknowledge of Building 7's destruction... the firefighters whose lives depend on knowing these things predicted it.
Excellent logic, Jono. The same point I was making in posts 
