Gage: Hell No I Ain't Reading Mackey's White Paper

[DGM]

The key word is access, kids. 75' or more measured from fire department access from the vehicle.

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Where does "lowest level" come in?


Keep digging, this is funny.

 

[ergo]

What does this mean, DGM?

"more than 75’ above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access"

 

[grandmastershek]

The key word is access, kids. 75' or more measured from fire department access from the vehicle.

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Wow...that's more creative than I thought. Bravo. What you're saying Ergo is that the definition of high rise isn't dependent on an exact measurement, but based on the type of fire truck the local department has?

Curious...say another fire dept comes to assist in a neighboring municipality and it has a bigger ladder, does the building automatically cease being a high rise?

I wish I had a link to laughing dog. This going to the stundies.

 

[DGM]

I wish I had a link to laughing dog. This going to the stundies.

Here, have one of mine

 

[ergo]

So you don't know, either?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Just because the subject came up... this is from the most recent release of the IBC. Not surprisingly it's the same figures that were already posted but I figured getting it from the updated code book would be a good idea.

 

[grandmastershek]

Insurance Company: I am sorry sir, we just can't insure you. Your town does not allow high rises.

Owner: Its not a high rise.

IC: Do you know how many stories are in these plans? It says 40 stories!

Owner: Oh you misunderstand I am donating a firetruck with a 500' ladder.

IC: Oh, OK...sounds good.

 

[DGM]

What does this mean, DGM?

"more than 75’ above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access"

More than 75' above street level.

Fire trucks access buildings at street level. They don't fly or burrow.

 

[grandmastershek]

So you don't know, either?

While I am not absolutely positive I doubt building codes are subject the local fire department's equipment.

 

[ergo]

Shek, where in any of the literature on the Kader factory fire does it mention it was a "highrise"?

Why, considering the devastation involved, and its "relevance" rolleyes to the WTC fires, was it not included in NIST's historical survey of building collapses from fire?

 

[ergo]

More than 75' above street level.

If that was the case, don't you think they would probably say "75' above street level"??

 

[grandmastershek]

Shek, where in any of the literature on the Kader factory fire does it mention it was a "highrise"?

Another argument from silence. Awww..your little fire engine game didn;t work out so now we'll ignore the actual, measurement huh?

Why, considering the devastation involved, and its "relevance" to the WTC rolleyes fires, was it not included in NIST's historical survey of building collapses from fire?

And another. See what I mean, just repeat the argument.



Highrises for everyone!

Removing the pic link, since that's a little exaggerated.

I would say moronic.

 

[DGM]

If that was the case, don't you think they would probably say "75' above street level"??

I would but you looked up under fire codes. It's a way of saying they don't consider basement levels or unusual terrain.


Did I mention I'm a builder?

 

[ergo]

So you don't "exactly" know what this means:

"more than 75’ above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access"

but you insist that the Kader Toy factory was a highrise.

 

[grandmastershek]

I would but you looked up under fire codes. It's a way of saying they don't consider basement levels or unusual terrain.


Did I mention I'm a builder?

Not to mention "the street" isn't always near the first floor.

 

[DGM]

So you don't "exactly" know what this means:

Who are you talking to?

 

[ergo]

Basement levels would reduce that definitional height even more.

 

[grandmastershek]

So you don't "exactly" know what this means:

"more than 75’ above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access"

but you insist that the Kader Toy factory was a highrise.

No, I am going to go with the level firemen usually access first, the first 1. But if you want we can go with your reasoning that if they can reach the 24th floor then that must be the location. Or if we drive 2 towns over the 8th, or the 5th. Who can tell?

Basement levels would reduce that definitional height even more.

You are ware of this thing we call addition right? To the stundies!

 

[DGM]

Basement levels would reduce that definitional height even more.

How's that? That's where to "lowest level" comes in to play.

 

[ergo]

Shek, you admitted to not even understanding the very definitions you provided. On what basis are you claiming that the Kader Toy factory is a "highrise"? How do you even know its height? Are you guessing?