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Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

Tony,
This format did not lend itself to discussion of the technical reasons for the collapse. In fact the girder walk off, in my opinion even if it did occur... would not lead to the 1000#/ft column from buckling. THAT I believe has not been shown. Sure columns which require and lose lateral bracing could buckle if the unsupported length is long enough slenderness ratio too high... but this has not been shown to be the case as far as I can tell.
As I told Richard before the presentation I think NIST did not come up with a convincing case for how that collapse initiated. But to jump the conclusion that the collapse was CD because the curtain wall which was twisted (rotated counter clockwise) and quite bowed collapsed from the 8th floor to the ground at close to FF is smoking gun evidence of 8 floors of 83 columns being destroyed in "an instant" is just false. That is a very very irresponsible and stupid statement.

And for the millionth time... the collapse was not symmetrical and symmetry would mean nothing if it were. A building will collapse straight down unless pushed over and there was nothing exerting a lateral force on that building. It collapsed because the structure came apart at it's base.
 

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Tony Szamboti said:
They won't discuss it and they have not shown the issues do not have merit. The omitted stiffener issue is serious and they simply won't discuss it. That is called stonewalling and is usually indicative of a position which can't be defended.
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Have you tried putting your questions to NIST, in a formal non confronting letter?

Nist had no problem answering mine even though they were not correct.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The NIST WTC 7 report has fatal flaws and the agency has an obligation to discuss it with those who have brought it to their attention.

Saying you think only certain groups should be allowed to show there are problems with the report is surreal.

I said there was certainly no screening of questions at the NJIT Discussion Forum. I have no knowledge of whether or not that has ever happened elsewhere. I was ready and willing to answer any question.
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When will you point out the fantasy of "fatal flaws"? Fire did it, and 911 truth can't more than a fringe few to say it was CD, thermite, and silent explosives.

Who would attend a the presentation of BD about 911, the fantasy of thermite, and delusion of an inside job?

When will 911 truth figure out there is no evidence for CD? never, this is like JFK, and Bigfoot, except it takes great disrespect for making up and supporting the lies of CD, mocking the murder of thousands.

When will 911 truth join reality? Rational engineers don't support the BS 911 truth has. 911 truth, the Quixotic quest for maximum BS.
 
JSanderO said:
Tony,
This format did not lend itself to discussion of the technical reasons for the collapse. In fact the girder walk off, in my opinion even if it did occur... would not lead to the 1000#/ft column from buckling. THAT I believe has not been shown. Sure columns which require and lose lateral bracing could buckle if the unsupported length is long enough slenderness ratio too high... but this has not been shown to be the case as far as I can tell.
As I told Richard before the presentation I think NIST did not come up with a convincing case for how that collapse initiated. But to jump the conclusion that the collapse was CD because the curtain wall which was twisted (rotated counter clockwise) and quite bowed collapsed from the 8th floor to the ground at close to FF is smoking gun evidence of 8 floors of 83 columns being destroyed in "an instant" is just false. That is a very very irresponsible and stupid statement.

And for the millionth time... the collapse was not symmetrical and symmetry would mean nothing if it were. A building will collapse straight down unless pushed over and there was nothing exerting a lateral force on that building. It collapsed because the structure came apart at it's base.
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If the walk-off could not occur and column 79 could not have collapsed as the NIST WTC 7 report alleges then they need to redo the analysis. Unfortunately, they are refusing to do so. Why?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
If the walk-off could not occur and column 79 could not have collapsed as the NIST WTC 7 report alleges then they need to redo the analysis. Unfortunately, they are refusing to do so. Why?
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All you need to do now is show your opinion on this one point invalidates the whole work.

Get going.....
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It has been done. You apparently don't have the background to understand if you think it hasn't.
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Naturally you feel the need to attack me instead of addressing the fact no one outside of conspiracy theorists take you seriously.

Keep up the good work. It's got you as far as you will ever get. Sucks for you I'm right, huh?
 
DGM said:
Naturally you feel the need to attack me instead of addressing the fact no one outside of conspiracy theorists take you seriously.

Keep up the good work. It's got you as far as you will ever get. Sucks for you I'm right, huh?
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Your comments are nonsensical. Do you have no shame?
 
DGM said:
Shame for what?

Your cause of CD has never shown any base in reality.

Do you have no shame for not once presenting a coherent theory?
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The NIST WTC 7 report has been shown to be non-explanatory and that demands that the collapse be re-investigated. Do you agree with that?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The NIST WTC 7 report has been shown to be non-explanatory and that demands that the collapse be re-investigated. Do you agree with that?
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A probable collapse... Take all the super engineers (paranoid conspiracy theorists) who signed up for Gage's folly, and do the re-investigation.

The NIST report has not been shown to be non-explanatory; that is an opinion based on BS.

Demand a new investigation; why can't all those engineers who believe in BS do it? Are Gage's engineers too lazy to prove CD? Wait, CD is a fantasy, there is no evidence for CD. What will 911 truth do now?

Asking questions, failing to provide answers based on evidence - 911 truth only product.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The NIST WTC 7 report has been shown to be non-explanatory and that demands that the collapse be re-investigated. Do you agree with that?
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No. Does this also qualify as proof that 9/11 was an "inside job"?

Tell you what. I'll support your "new investigation" if you drop the stupid CD and "inside job".

Deal? or do you actually have evidence to support some CD "inside job" fantasy?

I know you want to back door this but no one is stupid enough to buy it.
 
Why... for the same reason that you and Gage and countless others won't walk back their mistakes and admit they were wrong.... EGO, and protecting a franchise... of some sort.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The NIST WTC 7 report has been shown to be non-explanatory and that demands that the collapse be re-investigated. Do you agree with that?
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AE911T has raised 3-4 million dollars I am guessing since they were founded. That is more than enough to do their own analysis and "investigation". You know very well that there is no new "evidence" to be discovered.... But there are scenarios to be modeled based on different assumptions and probably some materials testing could be done.

Instead AE goes around with the same pitch raising money to go around to make the same pitch to go around and make the same pitch... because... truth be told... they don't care about what actually happened. They care about sustaining their marketing operation.
 
JSanderO said:
AE911T has raised 3-4 million dollars I am guessing since they were founded. That is more than enough to do their own analysis and "investigation". You know very well that there is no new "evidence" to be discovered.... But there are scenarios to be modeled based on different assumptions and probably some materials testing could be done.

Instead AE goes around with the same pitch raising money to go around to make the same pitch to go around and make the same pitch... because... truth be told... they don't care about what actually happened. They care about sustaining their marketing operation.
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That's all the truth movement doe, that's the modus operandi has been ever since Jones founded it!

They can not even loan Harrit and Basile enough money to do a DSC under argon yet they scream about worthless nano BS.

Tony Tell me again how this CD. Was done with paint chips I need a laugh!:)
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
That's all the truth movement doe, that's the modus operandi has been ever since Jones founded it!

They can not even loan Harrit and Basile enough money to do a DSC under argon yet they scream about worthless nano BS.

Tony Tell me again how this CD. Was done with paint chips I need a laugh!:)
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Nano Thermite was how AE911T got me off their board... I refused to sign some stupid letter from the board members confirming that NT was used in destroying the WTC. I refused and said at the time... Fall 2009.. that I knew nothing about NT and would not sign their letter... which was a litmus test. I failed and was tossed out... which was fine... I had come to the conclusion that they were not interesting in finding out how the towers collapsed. They were interested in raising money to pitch the inside job, false flag, CD and all manner of unsupported speculation.
 
I'd like to see the evidence that 81 columns over 8 floors were made to go poof... and the building above collapsed 104 feet at FF with no resistance.

I know they took all those columns and sent them to China before anyone could have a look at them.
 
JSanderO said:
I'd like to see the evidence that 81 columns over 8 floors were made to go poof... and the building above collapsed 104 feet at FF with no resistance.

I know they took all those columns and sent them to China before anyone could have a look at them.
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They didn't. No one said they did. :boggled:
 
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