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Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

The host, Jay Kappraff, has been a signatory on Gage's "Petition" since about the late summer of 2008.

His bio, as per AE911Truth profile:
"Chemical engineer with Dupont 1960-1961, Aerospace Engineer with NADA 1963-1965, Ph.D. in mathematics from NYU Courant Inst. specializing in Plasma Physics, Assoc. Prof of Math. at New Jersey Inst. of Technology 1974-present, applied mathematician. Author of two books on Mathematics and Design, originator of a course on calculus and architectural structures."​
His education is listed by NJIT as:
  • PhD, Applied Mathematics, New York University
  • MS, Chemical Engineering, Iowa State University
  • BChE, Chemical Engineering, New York Polytechnic

He has a pretty scant publication record. One of his "publications" is listed as "unpublished" (an unpublished publication?) and another is from a journal hosted on a Tripod free internet site. One of his books comes from a press I can't find much about. It seems to have been a short-lived small publication house. His first book was published by World Scientific in Singapore. It's a junk press that will publish anything if you pay them, and runs a longtime scam publishing non-peer-reviewed books and articles for a hefty fee.

Finally, he's an elderly prof who is still an Associate Professor even after a long career so he doesn't appear to be much of an academic star. He's "published" mostly junk papers and junk books. A perfect fit for Gage.
 
Jay Kappraff,
His bio, as per AE911Truth profile:
"Chemical engineer with Dupont 1960-1961, Aerospace Engineer with NADA 1963-1965, Ph.D. in mathematics from NYU Courant Inst. specializing in Plasma Physics, Assoc. Prof of Math. at New Jersey Inst. of Technology 1974-present, applied mathematician. Author of two books on Mathematics and Design, originator of a course on calculus and architectural structures."​
His education is listed by NJIT as:
  • PhD, Applied Mathematics, New York University
  • MS, Chemical Engineering, Iowa State University
  • BChE, Chemical Engineering, New York Polytechnic

His personal statement on AE about 9/11 is:
"The analysis of the 3 collapses of the WTC as narrated by Richard Gage is very convincing. That the building collapsed near the speed of gravity has no other explanation other than controlled demolition. The symmetric collapse reinforces this hypothesis."​

For a person with little to no technical education in physics and mathematics such a phrasing might be excused. For an associate professor of mathematics to refer to gravity as a "speed" and use the wishy washy term "near", is ridiculous. Of course it was only 'near' symmetric as well, especially WTC 7 which had about 1/3 fall to the NE and 2/3rds of it fall to the south.
 
For a person with little to no technical education in physics and mathematics such a phrasing might be excused. For an associate professor of mathematics to refer to gravity as a "speed" and use the wishy washy term "near", is ridiculous.................................

I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice this.

I'll be interested to see JSanderO's impression of him once they meet.
 
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I know both Tony and Richard. I doubt whether either wants to talk with me as they know I don't buy their pitch. My interest in attending is to see what sort of understanding about the event the engineers from the school have based on their questions etc... assuming there is a Q&A. I've seen Gage's dog an pony show years ago and I am not interested in seeing it again. And I doubt there will be anything new.

I'll report on my observations.
 
Are any truthers impressive in their thinking?

None that I've encountered. However, the fact that the NJIT employs a professor who refers to "the speed of gravity" and finds scientifically ridiculous "arguments" highly convincing should concern the administration at least somewhat.
 
None that I've encountered. However, the fact that the NJIT employs a professor who refers to "the speed of gravity" and finds scientifically ridiculous "arguments" highly convincing should concern the administration at least somewhat.

Maybe he really thinks they fell at light speed.


In a more physically correct sense, the "speed of gravity" refers to the speed of a gravitational wave, which should be the same speed as the speed of light (c).
 
Prediction:
The dynamic duo will stick to the script and cast doubt on what the NIST reported. They will offer no alternative hypothesis. When (and if) they are presented with "hard" questions, they will dance like the Rockettes.

In other words, same old. The sponsor seems receptive to the "AE 9/11" teachings.

ETA: Gage has spoken at MIT. Odd how this never panned out...........................:rolleyes:
True - their proven tactics.

However I would not discount a few "converts". Academic and "brain work" technical persons such as engineers and engineering paraprofessionals ("technicans" in AU speak) are renowned for poor reasoning skills once they have to go outside the "nine dots" of standard methods relying on maths, calculations and FEA.
 
One would think that they would attempt some manner of technical driven arguments.... which they have not done yet aside from the flawed work in a few of their "peer reviewed" papers (;-)). Gage's dog and pony show argument by disbelief may snow some law persons, but it should not go over with engineers who expect more rigorous rational and technical based arguments. Black boxes shouldn't cut it for engineers.

It should be interesting to see if there are engineers in the audience and what sort of reaction they will have and if they will have the platform to express their responses to Gage's smoke and mirror show.

I know he is even fast and loose with facts... such as... the velocity of the steel panels which landed over at the WFC which he and his supporters measure as much as 600' not the actual 440'... as anyone can determine from a NYC zoning map. And it's not that he has not been told his numbers on this basic item are off. I believe he continues to misrepresent the facts about this. But who in his typical audience would know that he is being dishonest? And would a PhD engineer hearing this "fact" for the first time know this was a gross exaggeration? Couldn't possibly unless he know the distance between 1WTC and the WFC. And who carries that useless fact in their head?

I suspect this is one of the means that Gage uses to deceive people and will rarely if even face a person who knows the facts and knocks the floor out from under his rubbish.

Tony will likely present the flawed Missing Jolt which will likely slop past the audience I suspect (of mostly students).

Stand by.... the best is yet to come.
 
I know both Tony and Richard. I doubt whether either wants to talk with me as they know I don't buy their pitch. My interest in attending is to see what sort of understanding about the event the engineers from the school have based on their questions etc... assuming there is a Q&A. I've seen Gage's dog an pony show years ago and I am not interested in seeing it again. And I doubt there will be anything new.

I'll report on my observations.

Let us not forget that you were once a member of the AE911T inner circle and left after feeling dissed.
 
Let us not forget that you were once a member of the AE911T inner circle and left after feeling dissed.

I didn't leave after feeling "dissed"... I was ejected because I wouldn't pass their litmus test about "believing" in nano thermite and wanting to get engineers to engage in things like FEA and reverse engineer the structure.

Obviously they feel that I was once in their inner sanctum, no where all the skeletons are (some of them) and feel "abused" because I don't accept their pitch and don't buy any of the false flag CD inside job stuff.

On the other hand I have no problem with further "investigation" as I don't believe the initiation of the twins is well explained (to my satisfaction) and I don't believe 7 came down because column 79 which weight 1,000#/ft buckled when a girder slipped off. Did col79 "fail"? yes in the sense it dropped and with it everything it supported dropped too... but it dropped because the structures supporting it and bracing it below collapsed and took 79 with them. Chicken and the egg. But for sure there is absolutely no evidence of 57 columns over 8 floors being "destroyed" by CD of nano termite. Pure hooey and any rational person knows this.
 
I didn't leave after feeling "dissed"... I was ejected because I wouldn't pass their litmus test about "believing" in nano thermite and wanting to get engineers to engage in things like FEA and reverse engineer the structure.

Obviously they feel that I was once in their inner sanctum, no where all the skeletons are (some of them) and feel "abused" because I don't accept their pitch and don't buy any of the false flag CD inside job stuff.

On the other hand I have no problem with further "investigation" as I don't believe the initiation of the twins is well explained (to my satisfaction) and I don't believe 7 came down because column 79 which weight 1,000#/ft buckled when a girder slipped off. Did col79 "fail"? yes in the sense it dropped and with it everything it supported dropped too... but it dropped because the structures supporting it and bracing it below collapsed and took 79 with them. Chicken and the egg. But for sure there is absolutely no evidence of 57 columns over 8 floors being "destroyed" by CD of nano termite. Pure hooey and any rational person knows this.

I stand corrected. Your posts about your "ejection" from AE911T sounded A LOT like someone who felt "dissed".

It seems to me that both you and AE911T still share some common investigative goals even if you are not in agreement on methods or priorities.
 
I stand corrected. Your posts about your "ejection" from AE911T sounded A LOT like someone who felt "dissed".

It seems to me that both you and AE911T still share some common investigative goals even if you are not in agreement on methods or priorities.

I feel the OCT explanations are not detailed enough for me. Others feel as it was not CD the mechanisms don't matter.... Or that it's impossible to know so nothing certain or useful can be gained. I agree with the former but I think the engineering community has not repeated... as far as I can tell what appear to me... to be contributory to the form and the the speed of the collapses.

The truth movement believes a smoking gun for CD will be found with a new investigation. I think they would be wrong. I think more understanding about how the frame came undone due to heat.... connection performance and so on will be better understood.
 
Got this in an email:

"Tucked in at the start of our Northeast film premiere tour of Firefighters, Architects & Engineers: Expose 9/11 Myths is an historic teaching-and-debating opportunity that we just couldn't pass up.

A mathematics professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology has invited two representatives of Architects & Engineers 9/11 Truth to address students and faculty from the school's civil engineering department in a Technology, Art and Science Forum titled "9/11 Critical Questions."

The 90-minute event will be held on Wednesday afternoon, November 11, at NJIT's Campus Center Ballroom in Newark, NJ.

Prof. Jay Kappraff, Ph.D., created "9/11 Critical Questions" in order to present various perspectives on the destruction of the third World Trade Center tower, known as Building 7, to 100-plus students and faculty from NJIT's John A. Reif, Jr. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.

He is also inviting the students and faculty from the New Jersey College of Architecture and Design and from five other colleges within NJIT to attend the forum, and will be placing an article and an advertisement in the school-wide newspaper for that purpose.

"I created this forum because I feel strongly that the information about 9/11 that has been publicly distributed by the government and the media up to now is extremely incomplete and has many self-contradictions," explains the math professor. "We need to reopen the conversation."

Kappraff invited two speakers from AE911Truth — founder and CEO Richard Gage, an architect, and Tony Szamboti, a mechanical design engineer — whose presentations he had heard at other venues. "I was impressed by their detailed knowledge of the World Trade Center destruction, and thought that if they could present their ideas at an engineering school, we would have a chance to show, through reason rather than emotion, what was not covered properly in the official story."

Jay Kappraff, a mathematics professor at NJIT, is skeptical of the official account of the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers and has been seeking to host a technical forum where, he notes, "students can hear all sides of the highly controversial WTC 7 destruction and make up their own minds. We should be able to analyze and discuss the technical evidence of these extremely important structural failures in an open atmosphere free of bullying and accusations." To ensure coverage of the issue would not be one-sided, Kappraff also reached out to participants in — and sympathizers with — the official investigation of WTC 7, which was conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. But when he received no response from them, he arranged for members of NJIT's civil engineering department to create a panel to present their view of the events and to question the AE911Truth speakers.

In this debate-style arrangement, a member of the civil engineering department faculty will speak for the first 15 minutes on behalf of the government's official account of what happened to WTC 7. Then Tony Szamboti will have the floor for the next 25 minutes. He will explore the implications of the unexplained symmetrical free-fall destruction of the 47-story skyscraper.

Mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti, M.E., who specializes in designing and analyzing aerospace structures, appeared on the Fox News show Geraldo a few years ago to tell the world about World Trade Center Building 7. Szamboti is currently assisting an engineering research team at the University of Alaska Fairbanks with its year-long evaluation of Building 7's failure — a breakthrough project being funded by AE911Truth. Szamboti hopes students will take away from his talk the understanding that "engineering failures need to be correctly explained and understood to prevent their reoccurrence. What will be taught at NJIT is that engineers also need to scrutinize the explanations given for failures by others to ensure they actually explain the observables of a failure. Otherwise, appropriate decisions cannot be made moving forward. When it comes to light that a report purporting to explain a significant engineering failure does not do so, it is the duty of those in the profession to expose it as non-explanatory."

Following Szamboti's presentation, Richard Gage will give a summary of the physical evidence — including thermite incendiaries — that points to the controlled demolition of WTC 7......"
 
Got this in an email:

"Tucked in at the start of our Northeast film premiere tour of Firefighters, Architects & Engineers: Expose 9/11 Myths is an historic teaching-and-debating opportunity that we just couldn't pass up.

A mathematics professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology has invited two representatives of Architects & Engineers 9/11 Truth to address students and faculty from the school's civil engineering department in a Technology, Art and Science Forum titled "9/11 Critical Questions."

The 90-minute event will be held on Wednesday afternoon, November 11, at NJIT's Campus Center Ballroom in Newark, NJ.

Prof. Jay Kappraff, Ph.D., created "9/11 Critical Questions" in order to present various perspectives on the destruction of the third World Trade Center tower, known as Building 7, to 100-plus students and faculty from NJIT's John A. Reif, Jr. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.

He is also inviting the students and faculty from the New Jersey College of Architecture and Design and from five other colleges within NJIT to attend the forum, and will be placing an article and an advertisement in the school-wide newspaper for that purpose.

"I created this forum because I feel strongly that the information about 9/11 that has been publicly distributed by the government and the media up to now is extremely incomplete and has many self-contradictions," explains the math professor. "We need to reopen the conversation."

Kappraff invited two speakers from AE911Truth — founder and CEO Richard Gage, an architect, and Tony Szamboti, a mechanical design engineer — whose presentations he had heard at other venues. "I was impressed by their detailed knowledge of the World Trade Center destruction, and thought that if they could present their ideas at an engineering school, we would have a chance to show, through reason rather than emotion, what was not covered properly in the official story."

Jay Kappraff, a mathematics professor at NJIT, is skeptical of the official account of the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers and has been seeking to host a technical forum where, he notes, "students can hear all sides of the highly controversial WTC 7 destruction and make up their own minds. We should be able to analyze and discuss the technical evidence of these extremely important structural failures in an open atmosphere free of bullying and accusations." To ensure coverage of the issue would not be one-sided, Kappraff also reached out to participants in — and sympathizers with — the official investigation of WTC 7, which was conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. But when he received no response from them, he arranged for members of NJIT's civil engineering department to create a panel to present their view of the events and to question the AE911Truth speakers.

In this debate-style arrangement, a member of the civil engineering department faculty will speak for the first 15 minutes on behalf of the government's official account of what happened to WTC 7. Then Tony Szamboti will have the floor for the next 25 minutes. He will explore the implications of the unexplained symmetrical free-fall destruction of the 47-story skyscraper.

Mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti, M.E., who specializes in designing and analyzing aerospace structures, appeared on the Fox News show Geraldo a few years ago to tell the world about World Trade Center Building 7. Szamboti is currently assisting an engineering research team at the University of Alaska Fairbanks with its year-long evaluation of Building 7's failure — a breakthrough project being funded by AE911Truth. Szamboti hopes students will take away from his talk the understanding that "engineering failures need to be correctly explained and understood to prevent their reoccurrence. What will be taught at NJIT is that engineers also need to scrutinize the explanations given for failures by others to ensure they actually explain the observables of a failure. Otherwise, appropriate decisions cannot be made moving forward. When it comes to light that a report purporting to explain a significant engineering failure does not do so, it is the duty of those in the profession to expose it as non-explanatory."

Following Szamboti's presentation, Richard Gage will give a summary of the physical evidence — including thermite incendiaries — that points to the controlled demolition of WTC 7......"

Sounds like a good dog and pony show, what evidence of thermite do they have?

None I know of, quite the same old song and dance.
 
I am just back from this event. I don't know whether to laugh of cry. It was a huge disappointment. Gage and Tony spouted the same stuff they have been on about for 6 years and maybe longer. Not a shread of anything "new"... no technical explanations... no new slides or research... NADA zip. I didn't expect much from them... but it confirms that they are just doing the same old same old... show of hands and raising funds. This was all about 7wtc.

No one from NIST was there and one engineering prof presented NIST's key points.

The Q&A was pathetic... not one decent technical discussion or issue was raised aside from one NJIT engineering professor who thought that the girder movement would expose fire protected steel and the seat could then weaken and fail. Boo Hoo... I doubt it but it hardly matters.

My perspective is that column 79 weighing 1000#/ ft DID NOT BUCKLE. It did come down all the way from the base when the transfer structures knocked it over.

I think a symposium to discuss the technical issues and the structure might have been interesting. No mention of the transfer structures... 7WTC was treated as a garden variety high rise.

One 3rd yr civil engineer asked why there was a single boom claimed which took out Tony's 82 columns over 8 floors and why it was not much much much louder? No good answer of course.

The engineering department was not prepared and this was truly just a vehicle for AE to say they bested the civil engineering dept at a technical university.

I did speak privately with two professors from CE and the department head who was interested in further discussions with me. I think they realized how ill prepared the department was and was left to present NIST's summary case and had not studied the structure at all.

I've read all of AE's arguments demolished or debunked and none of that interested me. They had nothing new and so I was only interested in what the Engineers had to say. And they said nothing. That was the sad part. The head told me I should have made a presentation... but as I don't tow the NIST line and AE would never engage in debate... only present the same rubbish it would be a useless discussion. People need to be prepared not schooled in a 15 minute presentation.

I saw the usual AE puppets in the audience of about 60 or 70 people... obviously mostly students but a few old timers were there. One nut who I did engage before it began was Karl N Galovin, from Alexandria VA who claimed he was in the FBI and was told to picf the Fresh Kill site for computer parts. This guy is in the tank for Gage... and no critical thinker... who believes it was.... an inside job! and that's were one needs to look.

Tony spoke about the Elevator repair as cover to plant the devices.

It was just full of truther deception, lies, false statements , fa ntasies and they used every one of their tricks including argument from authority.

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I will never attend an event again with Gage or Szambotti... but I would if it was engineers looking into the collapse mechanisms, physics, chemistry and so on. AE has absolutely nothing to add to my understanding of the collapses.

As I am not into debunking I saw no point in asking Gage technical questions or catching him in his nonsense such as CD=controlled demo... end of story. The CE department was not conversant with the actual building enough to discuss details.

I suspect Gage will find other universities to stage this silly "debates". It is telling that I wrote the Jay and sent him a few pages to chew on offering to send him slides and so on. Got no reply. I offered to provide materials to the CE department and had a thumb drive with 3 gigs of WTC files I had assembled with me. I got no reply. He promised to reserve a space in the parking lot. I called him when I left from home to confirm the space... and he didn't take the call. When I got to the lot, the security told me he was told I was not attending and my name was crossed off the list. He gave me a parking space in any case.

As Tony is the only truther to engage in debate and dodges and denies when shown to be wrong... I would not expect ANY truthers who want to learn to engage engineers. And most of them have not enough technical background in any case. Gage has probably raised 3 million dollars or more and done nothing but sing the same tune for 7 years... not one iota of research.

It's very sad to see how stupid intelligent people can be if it fits their world view.
 
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