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Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

Oystein said:
[1] Most truthers think "freefall" of the north wall is "evidence" for the instantaneous destruction of the WTC7 perimeter columns by explosives ober 8 stories. YOU, Tony, are one of the few truthers who realize that this is FALSE - that failure of the core could result in this freefall episode. So why do YOU bring this up?

[2] You fail to convince on that point here, and have continued failing for many years now.

[3] What do you claim those expulsiobs are? Explosions? Why are they not accompanied by extremely loud BANGs?

[4] Explosions do not create bulk amounts of molten metal, so it is a mystery, and has been for many years, why truthers are so married to the idea that the ALLEGED presence of molten steel (you must know very well that there is no ACTUAL evidence for bulk amounts of molten steel) has anything to do with a "controlled" demolition. Be the first truther in your universe to explain how any feasibly method of demolition would result in bulk amounts of molten steel long after the debris came to rest!

[5] "Symmetry" is a mantra. There is no actionable metrics to determine whether or not a given collapse is "symmetric", and there exists no reasoned argument why symmetry is impossible for a fire-induced collapse. You are appealing to the layman's "common sense". Haven't you heard the bon mot, sometimes attributed to Albert Einstein, that "common sense is the sum of the prejudices acquired by the age of 18"?

[6] "The" charges, Tony? Which? What kind? There were no explosions consistent in loudness, timing, number and brisance with CD, and there was no thermite, and there exists no theory that explains all of the relevant observations of the day with explosive or thermitic charges!


And you must intimately know all of this, Tony. You will not rebut a thing I wrote with reasoned arguments!
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The rapid and close expulsions on both sides of the corner of the North Tower seen in video are located right where the connections are of the spandrel beams to the corners. They are clearly some type of charge used to remove these connections and take away orthogonal support of the perimeter walls so they will bend outwards when pushed on from the inside and present minimal resistance. Your asking for more specifics about them is silly on its face.
 
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tsig said:
I think a witch hunt to find the ones who put the spell on the towers would be more productive esp if we used enhanced interrogation techniques, that would be sure to get us an answer.
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Normal investigative techniques will work just fine.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The rapid and close expulsions on both sides of the corner of the North Tower seen in video are located right where the connections are of the spandrel beams to the corners. They are clearly some type of charge used to remove these connections and take away orthogonal support of the perimeter walls so they will bend outwards when pushed on from the inside and present minimal resistance. Your asking for more specifics about them is silly on its face.
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What happens if the bolts or welds break, same thing, an no noexistant super duper thermite needed.:D
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The rapid and close expulsions on both sides of the corner of the North Tower seen in video are located right where the connections are of the spandrel beams to the corners. They are clearly some type of charge used to remove these connections and take away orthogonal support of the perimeter walls so they will bend outwards when pushed on from the inside and present minimal resistance. Your asking for more specifics about them is silly on its face.
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The some type of charge with zero sound, no supersonic explosion blast, just silent silly charges found in the failed world of 911 truth, the CD fantasy based on serious nonsense.

Silly on its face -=- CD

How rapid, in feet/sec, or m/s; how rapid is rapid? It is indicative of explosives, or a silly on its face imagination based on paranoid conspiracy theories of the super silly inside job?

Who panted the explosives; thought the fantasy had the explosives in the elevator shafts... how many people did your version of 911; the reality based version has 19 terrorists, your fantasy version seems to have thousands of nuts running around planting silent explosives.
 
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
What happens if the bolts or welds break, same thing, an no noexistant super duper thermite needed.:D
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Welds breaking on core columns would not have caused the rapid focused expulsions on both sides of the corner right where the bolted connections are for the spandrel beams.

Why would you even think that?

The buildings were demolished and the individuals who set the charges are still at large.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
Nice job of backing up your bare assertion fallacy with a repeat of the assertion. I think you should probably appeal to your own authority next.

Dave
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Dave, it really isn't hard to show you are not correct in your thoughts on the collapses as they simply aren't based in reality.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
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The buildings were demolished and the individuals who set the charges are still at large.
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Got some evidence? The silent explosives BS failed to get the FBI interested.

Where do they sell silent blast free explosives?
Who did it? How do you explain 77 and 93 in this BS silent explosives did it?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The rapid and close expulsions on both sides of the corner of the North Tower seen in video are located right where the connections are of the spandrel beams to the corners. They are clearly some type of charge used to remove these connections and take away orthogonal support of the perimeter walls so they will bend outwards when pushed on from the inside and present minimal resistance. Your asking for more specifics about them is silly on its face.
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Would that be one of those silent explosives? Rough estimate, how large would a "charge" need to be to cut those members?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The rapid and close expulsions on both sides of the corner of the North Tower seen in video are located right where the connections are of the spandrel beams to the corners. They are clearly some type of charge used to remove these connections and take away orthogonal support of the perimeter walls so they will bend outwards when pushed on from the inside and present minimal resistance. Your asking for more specifics about them is silly on its face.
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What is the source of the force that moves the material that constitutes these expulsions?

A) Demolition charges
B) Potential Energy of the building
C) ?!?

If your answer is A), why then can't you acknowledge that you are talking about explosives?

If your answer is B), why do these expulsions require CD charges?

If your answer is C), what the heck are you talking about?

If you can't answer the question, what are you doing here?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Dave, it really isn't hard to show you are not correct in your thoughts on the collapses as they simply aren't based in reality.
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Then please present your reasoned argument to show Dave wrong.
You tried twice with bare assertions. One wonders why you would try bare assertions if it really is so easy to show with reasoned arguments that Dave's thoughts are wrong?

Or do you mean to imply that the best way to "show" something is not reasoned argument?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Welds breaking on core columns would not have caused the rapid focused expulsions on both sides of the corner right where the bolted connections are for the spandrel beams.

Why would you even think that?

The buildings were demolished and the individuals who set the charges are still at large.
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Because steel transfers energy at 5800, meters per second, I watch a piece of it travel several yards and is still shrapnel in my brothers back, from a bolt fracture.

You can't say that and energy of a fracture in another location does not place strain energy on those points with out evidence, what kind of use less engineering do call your profession?
Bubble gum and duct tape engineering just doesn't cut it!
 
DGM said:
Would that be one of those silent explosives? Rough estimate, how large would a "charge" need to be to cut those members?
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1.5 pounds of copper oxide fused thermite with a high pressure charge of O2, would do it,
The problem is how to guide and use the O2, making the steel the fuel to cut though itself.

It would likely be impossible for Tony to design something like that.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
1.5 pounds of copper oxide fused thermite with a high pressure charge of O2, would do it,
The problem is how to guide and use the O2, making the steel the fuel to cut though itself.

It would likely be impossible for Tony to design something like that.
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I bet that looks just like an office file cabinet. No one would notice............:D
 
DGM said:
I bet that looks just like an office file cabinet. No one would notice............:D
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No I design it to look like a pink Elephant, that way no one would ever admit they saw it, the trunk guides the high pressure jet of O2.
 
DGM said:
That's the best idea I've seen all day. Expect a bonus in your shill pay this month. :)
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I don't know if I an accept a bonus, I get paid in Laughs and right now The current crop of Truthers have my sides hurting so bad I think I broke a couple ribs, any more and I might just explode.:D
 
Oystein said:
Then please present your reasoned argument to show Dave wrong.
You tried twice with bare assertions. One wonders why you would try bare assertions if it really is so easy to show with reasoned arguments that Dave's thoughts are wrong?

Or do you mean to imply that the best way to "show" something is not reasoned argument?
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He said duration and chaotic activity are not linkable and they most certainly are. It takes time to go from an ordered system to a chaotic one. The collapse initiation in the North Tower was quite uniform and rapid and cannot be considered chaotic.
 
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