Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

[WilliamSeger]

There is no dynamic load of the type needed unless there is an impact. You apparently don't have the right definition of a dynamic load.

Surely, a competent mechanical engineer would use a definition of "dynamic load" that includes any force due to accelerating or decelerating a mass. And surely, anyone with any common sense can see that you cannot provide any realistic collapse scenario that avoids dynamic loading due to impacts, even one initiated by magical silent explosives. Do you really think you can avoid those issues and all the other holes in you argument by accusing people of being shills?

I have come to the conclusion that the point at which someone passes over from "questioning the official story" to being a "truther" is the point that they begin lying to themselves.

 

[ozeco41]

I have come to the conclusion that the point at which someone passes over from "questioning the official story" to being a "truther" is the point that they begin lying to themselves.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Surely, a competent mechanical engineer would use a definition of "dynamic load" that includes any force due to accelerating or decelerating a mass. And surely, anyone with any common sense can see that you cannot provide any realistic collapse scenario that avoids dynamic loading due to impacts, even one initiated by magical silent explosives. Do you really think you can avoid those issues and all the other holes in you argument by accusing people of being shills?

I have come to the conclusion that the point at which someone passes over from "questioning the official story" to being a "truther" is the point that they begin lying to themselves.

There is no lying here. The collapse of WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were in no uncertain terms due to controlled demolition as shown by several evidentiary avenues. The dynamics of the collapses (free fall of WTC 7 and constant acceleration of the North Tower), the rapid focused expulsions on the corners of the North Tower, and that all important molten metal in the rubble of the three collapsed buildings, which along with the symmetric collapse of WTC 7 is what brought it to the fore to cause people like me to look into it.

All people like me are saying is there is more to it and we feel there were more people involved. We feel that law enforcement should have and still should interrogate people who had access to the interiors of the buildings as those who planted the charges are still at large.

 

[jaydeehess]

Free fall and less than 'g' constant acceleration in a collapse are both indicative of controlled demolition.
Interesting.

 

[jaydeehess]

........ we feel there were more people involved. We feel that law enforcement should have and still should interrogate people who had access to the interiors of the buildings as those who planted the charges are still at large.

Which people should be interrogated? What questions should be asked of them?

 

[ozeco41]

Free fall and less than 'g' constant acceleration in a collapse are both indicative of controlled demolition.
Interesting.

Mmm.

 

[DGM]

Which people should be interrogated? What questions should be asked of them?

William Rodríguez should be number one. He had keys, full access and got out "just in time". Strange "truthers" don't find this suspect...........

Question. What was your roll in the attack?

 

[jaydeehess]

William Rodríguez should be number one. He had keys, full access and got out "just in time". Strange "truthers" don't find this suspect...........

Question. What was your roll in the attack?

My role in the attacks was,,,,




,,,,,,,,,,,wait you mean to have William answer that question don't you.

 

[jaydeehess]

Mmm.

I suppose only over "g" is non-indicative of demolition.

 

[beachnut]

BS is proof of CD - 911 truth is pure BS

 

[jaydeehess]

It is sad to see your level of sophistication is so low that you would somehow find the above inconsistent. However, it isn't surprising, given that you actually still claim to believe the NYC building collapses were due to natural causes after seeing a large amount of evidence that they had to be deliberately demolished.

Well it is ironic that you cite one way no jolt would occur and then say only a different mechanism could explain no(big) jolt.

Still claim to believe?
You assuming I don't understand that:

Initial collapse occurs, the gif of this event for WTC2 that ozeco posted several times illustrates that the upper block has rotated about its CoG. The column sections of that upper block simply cannot line up to direct impact forces as an axial load on the lower section columns. Therefore ALL of the moving mass of that upper section will hit the floor span. The floor span was connected to the columns by components designed to transfer the normal loading on ONE floor space. The dynamic loading of the entire upper section is orders of magnitude greater than those components were designed to handle.

The connections fail having slowed the upper block about as much as a Styrofoam cup slows your foot as you stomp on it. The falling mass, now joined by the concrete floor span that has been trashed and the contents of that floor space, continues on, gaining more velocity until it hits the next floor span.
Perimeter column sections peel away with no lateral support(originally supplied by the now missing flora trusses).
Core columns lose lateral support through floor trusses to perimeter and much of the intercolumn beams. Columns now succumb to slender column instability and buckle.

 

[ozeco41]

... the gif of this event for WTC2 that ozeco posted several times illustrates that the upper block has rotated about its CoG. The column sections of that upper block simply cannot line up to direct impact forces as an axial load on the lower section columns. Therefore ALL of the moving mass of that upper section will hit the floor span.

Here we go again.
Thanks again to Achimspok for the source motion gif from which this was borrowed.

There is enough evidence in this picture alone to falsify the main premises of Missing Jolt. It is WTC2 - MJ was WTC1 but the same principles apply and the one extra factor which may be needed to complete the falsification is easily proven.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Which people should be interrogated? What questions should be asked of them?

People who were involved in any sort of new installations of equipment and material. Law enforcement knows how to interrogate and would develop the right questions to narrow down the field of those who could have planted the charges. An investigation would then continue on a smaller group to see what connections those people had on the outside etc.

Any criminal investigator will tell you that investigations involve a developmental process and they converge.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Dave, the North Tower collapse initiated at the 98th floor (a full two stories above the aircraft impact between the 95th and 96th floors) and it propagated across the entire floor in no more than one second. This is measureable on video, so you can't deny it, and can't say it was "chaotic" like you are attempting to do.

What extraordinary rubbish you spout, Tony. The above is a complete non sequitur; the duration of a process says nothing about the level of order involved, so just because the initial failures occurred rapidly that isn't a reason to suppose that every initial buckle was precisely the same length. And it's an obvious lie to pretend that the aircraft impact affected two and only two floors. But more importantly, you've gone back to step 1 here; when do we get round to the insults and accusations?

Dave

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

People who were involved in any sort of new installations of equipment and material. Law enforcement knows how to interrogate and would develop the right questions to narrow down the field of those who could have planted the charges. An investigation would then continue on a smaller group to see what connections those people had on the outside etc.

Like engineering design, investigations involve a developmental process and they converge.

First under American- US law you need evidence of charges of which you have zippo, zero, nadda, none!
So with only imagination, and invisible, silent, fantom fantasy charges, you risk your self being charged for wrongful arrest, and violation of civil rights. I don't think Gage and the do nothing incompetent truth movement has the money to pay for the justifiable damages a
wrongful investigation would cost, do you?
Good luck I am sure there are a lot of people who could spend your's and Gages money more wisely than you and Gage.
You have no evidence and are making baseless groundless accusations are you willing to
assume the legal and monetary Responsibility if you are wrong?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

What extraordinary rubbish you spout, Tony. The above is a complete non sequitur; the duration of a process says nothing about the level of order involved, so just because the initial failures occurred rapidly that isn't a reason to suppose that every initial buckle was precisely the same length. And it's an obvious lie to pretend that the aircraft impact affected two and only two floors. But more importantly, you've gone back to step 1 here; when do we get round to the insults and accusations?

Dave

You are wrong about duration and level of chaos not being linked to a degree. The collapse initiation of the North Tower was quite uniform and rapid. Those two things pour extremely cold water on your chaotic collapse assertion.

You are in La La land on these collapses and it seems you may have a hard time even realizing that you are, because you are indulging yourself in arguing without even having a basis in reality for what you are saying.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You are wrong about duration and level of chaos not being linked to a degree. The collapse initiation of the North Tower was quite uniform and rapid.

Nice job of backing up your bare assertion fallacy with a repeat of the assertion. I think you should probably appeal to your own authority next.

Dave

 

[tsig]

William Rodríguez should be number one. He had keys, full access and got out "just in time". Strange "truthers" don't find this suspect...........

Question. What was your roll in the attack?

I jiggered gravity so there was no jolt.

(Just shift the quantum units a bit to the right, simples)

 

[tsig]

People who were involved in any sort of new installations of equipment and material. Law enforcement knows how to interrogate and would develop the right questions to narrow down the field of those who could have planted the charges. An investigation would then continue on a smaller group to see what connections those people had on the outside etc.

Any criminal investigator will tell you that investigations involve a developmental process and they converge.

I think a witch hunt to find the ones who put the spell on the towers would be more productive esp if we used enhanced interrogation techniques, that would be sure to get us an answer.

 

[Oystein]

There is no lying here. The collapse of WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were in no uncertain terms due to controlled demolition as shown by several evidentiary avenues. The dynamics of the collapses (free fall of WTC 7^[1] and constant acceleration of the North Tower^[2]), the rapid focused expulsions on the corners of the North Tower^[3], and that all important molten metal in the rubble^[4] of the three collapsed buildings, which along with the symmetric collapse^[5] of WTC 7 is what brought it to the fore to cause people like me to look into it.

All people like me are saying is there is more to it and we feel there were more people involved. We feel that law enforcement should have and still should interrogate people who had access to the interiors of the buildings as those who planted the charges^[6] are still at large.

^[1] Most truthers think "freefall" of the north wall is "evidence" for the instantaneous destruction of the WTC7 perimeter columns by explosives ober 8 stories. YOU, Tony, are one of the few truthers who realize that this is FALSE - that failure of the core could result in this freefall episode. So why do YOU bring this up?

^[2] You fail to convince on that point here, and have continued failing for many years now.

^[3] What do you claim those expulsiobs are? Explosions? Why are they not accompanied by extremely loud BANGs?

^[4] Explosions do not create bulk amounts of molten metal, so it is a mystery, and has been for many years, why truthers are so married to the idea that the ALLEGED presence of molten steel (you must know very well that there is no ACTUAL evidence for bulk amounts of molten steel) has anything to do with a "controlled" demolition. Be the first truther in your universe to explain how any feasibly method of demolition would result in bulk amounts of molten steel long after the debris came to rest!

^[5] "Symmetry" is a mantra. There is no actionable metrics to determine whether or not a given collapse is "symmetric", and there exists no reasoned argument why symmetry is impossible for a fire-induced collapse. You are appealing to the layman's "common sense". Haven't you heard the bon mot, sometimes attributed to Albert Einstein, that "common sense is the sum of the prejudices acquired by the age of 18"?

^[6] "The" charges, Tony? Which? What kind? There were no explosions consistent in loudness, timing, number and brisance with CD, and there was no thermite, and there exists no theory that explains all of the relevant observations of the day with explosive or thermitic charges!


And you must intimately know all of this, Tony. You will not rebut a thing I wrote with reasoned arguments!