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Gage and Farrakhan

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Box Boy is going to be appearing at the Nation of Islam's annual convention to tell them that Muslims didn't do 9-11:

Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.

“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”

The group’s 15-minute documentary titled “Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7,” is already being circulated throughout the Nation of Islam’s online social media networks.
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It appears likely that Gage will find a gullible audience for his lies; check out Farrakhan's previous fascination:
Last year, Minister Farrakhan announced to the world that he found something in the technology of auditing developed by Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Many members of the Nation of Islam embarked on the journey to study beneficial aspects of Scientology with hundreds becoming Certified Hubbard Dianetics Auditors.
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Can you say sustaining members? Sure you can!

I am reliably informed that Kevin Barrett will be a part of the 9-11 Denial symposium. And you can rest assured that there will be plenty of Jew-bashing as well; one of the topics will be "Business is Warfare: The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews."
 
Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth told The Final Call he is looking forward to presenting the fact regarding 9/11 to those gathered.

“We’re excited to bring this information to a group of people who have already been primed for it by in this case the Minister,” said Mr. Gage. “He’s taken some very courageous stands for 9/11 truth and so we’re honored to come and speak to what I understand may be up to three thousand people at one time, which is about five times larger than any group of people we’ve ever spoken to. So we’re delighted that the information will get out all at once to that many people and live streaming as well to many times that many people.”

The group’s 15-minute documentary titled “Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7,” is already being circulated throughout the Nation of Islam’s online social media networks.
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How many architects and engineers will be in attendance among the 3000? What's their percentage on the NoI online social media networks? Anything significant?

This nicely fits the conclusions I came up with lately that AE911T's technical claims have absolutely zero traction among even the technical professionals who signed their stupid "petition", where there is no organic growth at all. A&E-truthers fail 100% to convince peers. Gage apparently has totally given up on the pros and is now targeting the low-hanging fruits of people lacking the relevant education, but having serious political grievances.
 
So the largest audience that Gage has ever had, by 5 times, will be 3000 kooks from another cult... LMAO!
 
I wonder how Gage would respond if asked whether the hijackers existed or were just a cover story; or whether OBL had anything to do with 9/11 etc...

I suspect he'd just steer the conversation toward his talking points 'Freefall speed, symmetrical collapse, iron-rich microspheres' etc etc.
 
Brainster said:
Box Boy is going to be appearing at the Nation of Islam's annual convention to tell them that Muslims didn't do 9-11:

It appears likely that Gage will find a gullible audience for his lies; check out Farrakhan's previous fascination: ...
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Be cool if Nation of Islam exposed Gage as a fraud. Does not look like Nation of Islam is into truth, looks like the Nation is based on $,$$$,$$$,$$$, and Gage is the same but smaller, $$$,$$$.
 
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beachnut said:
Be cool if Nation of Islam exposed Gage as a fraud. Does not look like Nation of Islam is into truth, looks like the Nation is based on $,$$$,$$$,$$$, and Gage is the same but smaller, $$$,$$$.
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You know that newspaper you see NOI members selling on the street, the Final Call? The people selling it have to buy all their copies, if they want their money back they have to sell them to the public.
 
Preaching to a bunch of islamists that arabs are too stupid to have pulled off 9/11.. This should be good.. someone should link the live net cast so I can see Gage getting stabbed as he walks off the stage..
 
cjnewson88 said:
Preaching to a bunch of islamists that arabs are too stupid to have pulled off 9/11.. This should be good.. someone should link the live net cast so I can see Gage getting stabbed as he walks off the stage..
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It's not clear to me that anyone except us here perceives 9/11 Truth in these terms.

All of this makes me wonder if Gage is being forced to move into new territory to stay financially viable. He's spoken to Muslims before, but apparently that was a small one-time thing. If he's having the membership and money troubles we all think he is, he may be looking for fresh ground to keep things at the level he's become accustomed to - 70K+ a year.

I wonder when Gage is going to get around to touring Iran. Would that be illegal? If not, I predict it's only time until he gets forced to start making decisions like that.
 
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Oh, it doesn't get much better than this! You go, Richard! I am just dying to see a bunch of NOI members at Gage's next speech (the one after this). Can you imagine the black t-shirt wannabes peeing themselves as five or six of the brothers walk in and take up a whole row?

I guess they're giving up on the White Makes Right crowd and going to the opposite end of town? When do they finally run out of groups to appeal to and have to go get real jobs?
 
Scott Sommers said:
It's not clear to me that anyone except us here perceives 9/11 Truth in these terms.

All of this makes me wonder if Gage is being forced to move into new territory to stay financially viable. He's spoken to Muslims before, but apparently that was a small one-time thing. If he's having the membership and money troubles we all think he is, he may be looking for fresh ground to keep things at the level he's become accustomed to - 70K+ a year.

I wonder when Gage is going to get around to touring Iran. Would that be illegal? If not, I predict it's only time until he gets forced to start making decisions like that.
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I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..
 
cjnewson88 said:
I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..
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That's they keep telling everyone. There and Japan and China. These last 2 places don't seem to be going so well. I don't think there's much interest in the stuff anymore. It was a long time ago. None of students in Taiwan who are around 20-21 talk about 9/11 anymore.

But most significantly, Gage needs money. If he can't get money out of the Swedes, there's not much use for him to go there. That's why I figure he'll end up in Tehran. He can be a consultant to Ahmadinejad.
 
Remember this from 2009?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151010

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155636

Mr. Gage prefaced his presentation with these words: "[...] Muslims of the world deserve an apology from the real 9/11 perpetrators, their supporters, and non-Muslims who refuse to even look at this scientific evidence. We wish that it was safer for Muslims to be publicly active, but we understand that this is an unfair request — given the post 9/11 political environment. If together, we are successful, you and your Muslim brothers and sisters around the world will no longer have to continually look over your shoulders."

 
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Yep and here is on Chinese TV saying, that "[T]he cause of 9-11 has nothing to do with Muslims".

 
cjnewson88 said:
I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..
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Not in the UK anyway. Most times I bring the subject up people hadn't even heard that there are conspiracy nuts out there denying the official story, let alone knowing about 911T. Don't know about the rest of Europe though.

This made me think about a vision of a holocaust denier (quack historian) trying to tell a room full of right wing neo nazi types that the Nazis wouldn't have been capable of doing what they did becuase they weren't up to the challenge.
 
cjnewson88 said:
I thought they were all heading to Europe? Isn't that the new semi-untouched niche market for leaders of the truth movement cult? I remember hearing somewhere that 9/11 truth was taking off over there.. Particularly Germany.. Maybe Oystein can shed some light..
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It's nothing that anybody would notice who isn't already knee-deep in woo. Childlike Empress, who is also from Germany, recently sent me a link to a youtube video by Matthias Bröckers who also has a new book out., but he is from the old and early guard of German woosters, too, and I am not aware that anyone takes notice. When Loose Change came out, and Zeitgeist, and all these movies, 9/11 trutherism surged for a while, with some time-laps to the same in the USA. So I'd say in 2008, 2009 it was a topic on social fora. Not so anymore.
When I tell my friends about what I discuss here at the JREF, they find it the most bizarre thing and mostly can't understand why I am wasting my time. They mostly are vaguely aware that such CTs exist, but haven't really consumed any, ever.

I believe another factor plays a role here in continental Europe that is somewhat different from the situation in North America: Never was Europe more united than in its universal hatred and dislike towards GW Bush. Opposition to the wars he started were often in the 80%-90% range. Any evil seemed possible and credible under Bush. The soil for the seeds of CTs was fertile.
Many of us however fell in love with Obama, and when he took office, that soil dried up quickly.
The left-right dichotomy in European politics is quite different from that in the USA. Much of the woo was propagated by angry young men who felt they were on the anti-Bush left. And even the European right was very much anti-Bush. Both camps lost their enemy when Obama took over.
 
Oystein said:
It's nothing that anybody would notice who isn't already knee-deep in woo. Childlike Empress, who is also from Germany, recently sent me a link to a youtube video by Matthias Bröckers who also has a new book out., but he is from the old and early guard of German woosters, too, and I am not aware that anyone takes notice. When Loose Change came out, and Zeitgeist, and all these movies, 9/11 trutherism surged for a while, with some time-laps to the same in the USA. So I'd say in 2008, 2009 it was a topic on social fora. Not so anymore.
When I tell my friends about what I discuss here at the JREF, they find it the most bizarre thing and mostly can't understand why I am wasting my time. They mostly are vaguely aware that such CTs exist, but haven't really consumed any, ever.

I believe another factor plays a role here in continental Europe that is somewhat different from the situation in North America: Never was Europe more united than in its universal hatred and dislike towards GW Bush. Opposition to the wars he started were often in the 80%-90% range. Any evil seemed possible and credible under Bush. The soil for the seeds of CTs was fertile.
Many of us however fell in love with Obama, and when he took office, that soil dried up quickly.
The left-right dichotomy in European politics is quite different from that in the USA. Much of the woo was propagated by angry young men who felt they were on the anti-Bush left. And even the European right was very much anti-Bush. Both camps lost their enemy when Obama took over.
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This is interesting to be because of my perception that 9/11 Truth is increasingly a struggle involving different kinds of American Christians. The idea from Myriad that 9/11 Truth is an aesthetic statement also lends itself to the understanding that it has limited cross-cultural appeal.

I think the idea of 9/11 Truth in Europe refers to a series of lectures that DRG did there in 2009. You can find the list of his appearances on the right hand side of his blog. There wasn't even a whisper of demonstration there during the 10th anniversary, so it appears that the masses attending his talks were not motivated to do much of anything after he left the room. I suspect this has to do with the points raised by Oystein.
 
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