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Fyziks 101

Shrinker said:
Jeez Turbo, you're nearly there but I'll have to come back tomorrow since you obviously need time to focus on the actual question. The cards were secure enough to hold the structure upright, stable, and resistant to air currents and impacts. So how did the top two/three storeys of the tower destroy all fifteen storeys below?

How can a light object completely destroy a heavier one?



I have no idea why there's this new precondition.
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Still, you have no clue.

The cards or "STOREY" you speak of does not exist.

The video does NOT show an entire section falling at once.

The cards are falling individually like dominos.

The cards themselves are fine. In other words, one card falling on the
other did not cause the other card to break!

Just like dominos falling over, they don't break apart from tipping into
the other.

The towers were an assembly welded and bolted together.

The cards were not bolted/welded/taped/glued/etc. together.
 
Turbofan said:
Still, you have no clue.

The cards or "STOREY" you speak of does not exist.

The video does NOT show an entire section falling at once.

The cards are falling individually like dominos.

The cards themselves are fine. In other words, one card falling on the
other did not cause the other card to break!

Just like dominos falling over, they don't break apart from tipping into
the other.

The towers were an assembly welded and bolted together.

The cards were not bolted/welded/taped/glued/etc. together.
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The individual elements of the towers failed at the connections (for the most part). This is because the connections have a capacity much less than individual elements. Most of the elements in structures are designed for stiffness, i.e. they need to not deflect under the design load over a certain amount. People, generally speaking, get very concerned when their office vibrates or the bridge they're walking over deflects noticeably for example. The exterior columns were designed to be stiff to prevent the tower from swaying too much in the wind. The connections of these exterior columns were only designed for the force that the wind exerted, which was about 1/3rd the capacity of the column itself (and a non-ductile capacity as well). The interior column connections were designed for much much less.

These connections are not as weak as the house of cards analogy, but they're really not as strong as you'd like to believe them to be. If you want to keep up with your silly statements of "physics" and "scientifically impossible" etc etc, I recommend you back up your statements with math and engineering. Because right now it just looks like your blowing smoke out your rear end. It's embarrasing, and honestly rather disgusting.
 
roundhead said:
So, your saying that the final report wasnt proofed, and those spewing the official Govt lie didnt notice the bald faced lie, and bring it up so it would be corrected, and not left as the lie it is. Surely Robertson has read the report and would have noticed it?

So, the Commision should not be trusted with anything they state, they are all politicians who had zero qualifications to deal with Norad, tower construction, etc.

All those reading this take note of the fact the Commision had nobody qualified in they're camp to find out how the towers were constructed. They instead made some bald faced lie up. Got cha;)
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For the last bloody time the 9/11 Commission was tasked with one thing and one thing only; to find policy errors surrounding the attacks. They were not conducting an engineering or criminal investigation. There were other government bodies to handle those.
 
All this talk of 15 floors vs 95 floors needs to stop because it is just out right wrong. It wasn't 15 vs 95, it was 15 floors vs 1 floor, the floor that was being impacted into by the above floors. Of course in 15 vs 1 the 15 win and the 1 is crushed and now it is 16 floors vs 1 floor and again the 1 floor will lose and it will be 17 vs 1 and so on.

Continuing to pretend the floors below the floor being crushed contribute in any way to the structural integrity of the floor being crushed is either just outright stupid or disingenuous.
 
Newtons Bit said:
The individual elements of the towers failed at the connections (for the most part). This is because the connections have a capacity much less than individual elements. Most of the elements in structures are designed for stiffness, i.e. they need to not deflect under the design load over a certain amount. People, generally speaking, get very concerned when their office vibrates or the bridge they're walking over deflects noticeably for example. The exterior columns were designed to be stiff to prevent the tower from swaying too much in the wind. The connections of these exterior columns were only designed for the force that the wind exerted, which was about 1/3rd the capacity of the column itself (and a non-ductile capacity as well). The interior column connections were designed for much much less.

These connections are not as weak as the house of cards analogy, but they're really not as strong as you'd like to believe them to be. If you want to keep up with your silly statements of "physics" and "scientifically impossible" etc etc, I recommend you back up your statements with math and engineering. Because right now it just looks like your blowing smoke out your rear end. It's embarrasing, and honestly rather disgusting.
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This coming from a guy who believes a 47 storey building can fall symmetrically
in 6.5 seconds.
 
Turbofan said:
This coming from a guy who believes a 47 storey building can fall symmetrically
in 6.5 seconds.
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Hey, if you don't have the ability to refute what I say you could at least admit it instead of trying to change the subject with another lie.
 
Turbofan said:
This coming from a guy who believes a 47 storey building can fall symmetrically
in 6.5 seconds.
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WTC 7 fell symmetrically? Then how did the north wall lay atop the debris pile which had the south wall underneath? Last time I checked, that doesn't denote symmetry so do you want to throw out anything more to prove you are full of hot air?
 
pomeroo said:
I am writing this response having just decided to wade through this thread. I fearlessly predict that you will recycle every ancient, thoroughly discredited canard that gets trotted out by every loon.

Let the games begin!
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We're getting close, not quite there yet, but hey, it's only page 6:

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Travis said:
For the last bloody time the 9/11 Commission was tasked with one thing and one thing only; to find policy errors surrounding the attacks. They were not conducting an engineering or criminal investigation. There were other government bodies to handle those.
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Yes, they actually cite both the Port Authority and Fema as sources in the note of Chapter 9 which deals with this.
 
~enigma~ said:
WTC 7 fell symmetrically? Then how did the north wall lay atop the debris pile which had the south wall underneath? Last time I checked, that doesn't denote symmetry so do you want to throw out anything more to prove you are full of hot air?
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Last time I checked you had no clue...oops, too bad...this time is the same.

This is symmetry at its finest:

http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.1.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.2.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.3.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.4.jpg
 
Travis said:
All this talk of 15 floors vs 95 floors needs to stop because it is just out right wrong. It wasn't 15 vs 95, it was 15 floors vs 1 floor, the floor that was being impacted into by the above floors. Of course in 15 vs 1 the 15 win and the 1 is crushed and now it is 16 floors vs 1 floor and again the 1 floor will lose and it will be 17 vs 1 and so on.

Continuing to pretend the floors below the floor being crushed contribute in any way to the structural integrity of the floor being crushed is either just outright stupid or disingenuous.
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Those floors seem to be missing 47 MASSIVE STEEL COLUMNS!!!

Stop ignoring parts of the equation!

What happened to these:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1099.jpg
 
~enigma~ said:
Either i lied about the north wall being atop the debris or you are lying about the symmetry...which is it?
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Either that, or you are blind?

Did yuo watch the video and notice the walls on either side of the building?

What does it matter how it ended up on the ground. It all got there at nearly
the same time!

You can verify that with the still shots. Notice the pretty red line going
across the roof of the building?
 
Turbofan said:
And?

The Space Shuttle produces squibs?

The Twins were built outside of the Earth's atmosphere? :boggled:

Are we done with the dumb comparisons yet?
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How dense are you? It's an example of compression in an unsealed environment, which you just said you didn't know was possible. It's a flat surface pushing through the air, it's the least sealed and most extreme compression that came to mind.
 
Turbofan said:
This coming from a guy who believes a 47 storey building can fall symmetrically
in 6.5 seconds.
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And this is coming from a guy that actually believes that it collapsed in 6.5 seconds. Hint: The collapse really begins with the collapse of the East penthouse.
 
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