Fyziks 101

[Turbofan]

As Myriad so elegantly put it, aside from the resemblance in the approximate shape what is similar between your bricks and the twin towers? This is a perfect example of where your standard of physics has failed. Just like Richard Gage tried to represent the towers as empty cardboard boxes, and Jones tried to compare one acre floors of concrete 4-inches thick (concrete component) to a cinder block. There is an analogy I like to use to put these into perspective.
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What does it matter what shape the bricks are?

You guys are using cars and freight trains as anologies? You are all too
thick to even grasp the physics behind the analogy!

When one car crashes into three others, do all four cars fall to nuts and bolts
on the road?

I can't believe I'm wasting my time trying to explain this stuff. Most of the
members here have double standards and just run around in circles.

 

[DavidJames]

Ladies, gentlemen and lurkers

TurboFan cannot be taught. He cannot be educated. You cannot present him with logical and rational arguments and expect him to understand them.

Why?

Simply because he believes he knows more then you. He doesn't have the education. He doesn't have the practical experience. Yet he believes his knowledge exceeds everyone who disagrees with him.

TF will never accept anything that challenges his beliefs.

 

[~enigma~]

I see dust getting blown up and away (gravity )

Can you explain how air currents carry pollen, dust, rock particles, mineral crystals, etc. but it couldn't blow dust on 9/11/2001? You really need a ton of science lessons as do all your bretheren.

I see pyroclastic cloud formations

Your going to start with that bs again? Ok, what are the pyroclasts and until you can answer that (and even after) you are a filthy liar.

I don't see any large sections of building needed to push down and crush

You still didn't answer...After the first 0.5 seconds of slippage IN THE AREA OF IMPACT explain what power could have prevented collapse. Also explain why a 15 story chunk of office building would not and could not have caused an overload of the remaining heat weakened columns IN THE AREA OF IMPACT?

I don't see the 47 central core columns sticking up out of the dust cloud

You are blind then since the cores remained standing for upwards of 15 seconds AFTER the building collapse.

Where is the large section of tower above the impact zone guys?

Where did everybody jump from? You really are getting quite disgusting. Are your parents ashamed?

It is scientifically impossible for both sections to be breaking apart upon descent
simultaneously with a gravity induced collapse.

Why?

 

[~enigma~]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Could you spell out for me the etymology of the word "pyroclast"? and explain how this relates to what is shown in the photograph.

Wonder what this disgusting idiot thinks the pyroclasts were?

 

[GlennB]

When one car crashes into three others, do all four cars fall to nuts and bolts
on the road?

When a cat jumps 4' down from a wall does it come to harm?

If an elephant "jumped" 4' down from a bank, would it come to harm?

This is the essence, Turbo. The question of scale.

 

[uk_dave]

To paraphrase homer....

"Truthers...is there nothing they're not expert in?"

 

[~enigma~]

LMAO! That spire 'fell' straight down into itself LMFAO! How does that happen?!

It fell on a 16 acre debris field so you sure have a twisted and moronic definition of straight down...

 

[Grizzly Bear]

What does it matter what shape the bricks are?

None at all... however, in regard to comparing why why the towers totally collapsed your entire analogy is a bunk

You guys are using cars and freight trains as anologies?

Point out where I used 'freight trains' and 'cars' as analogies. Or are you attempting to shift goal posts once again? I recall one personal who used such analogies, however he is a truther just like yourself, and I have criticized him just as much for the flawed physics involved.

You are all too thick to even grasp the physics behind the analogy!

We're too thick to grasp it? It seems you have it reversed. I certainly understand that when dealing with the differences in scale between bricks and buildings they're incomparable. Try again.

When one car crashes into three others, do all four cars fall to nuts and bolts on the road?

Apples and oranges, do you have anything better to entertain me with?

I can't believe I'm wasting my time trying to explain this stuff.

That's my line... exactly why I continue to try and correct your fallacies is an utter mystery. The world may never know why...

Most of the members here have double standards and just run around in circles.

Are you looking for an excuse to dodge the question? I offered to provide some math which would help you grasp some of the concepts which you are faithfully mistaken on. Is this a yes or a no? Do you want me to help you or not? Or are you going to run off with ears shut?

 

[Newtons Bit]

What does it matter what shape the bricks are?

You guys are using cars and freight trains as anologies? You are all too
thick to even grasp the physics behind the analogy!

When one car crashes into three others, do all four cars fall to nuts and bolts
on the road?

I can't believe I'm wasting my time trying to explain this stuff. Most of the
members here have double standards and just run around in circles.

Math please. Let's see a real analysis. If what you say is true, you should be able to do some simple Newtonian and solid body physics to show this.

 

[~enigma~]

Ladies, gentlemen and lurkers

TurboFan cannot be taught. He cannot be educated. You cannot present him with logical and rational arguments and expect him to understand them.

Why?

Simply because he believes he knows more then you. He doesn't have the education. He doesn't have the practical experience. Yet he believes his knowledge exceeds everyone who disagrees with him.

TF will never accept anything that challenges his beliefs.

And I get called unreasonable for saying all these fruitcakes deserve is ridicule and derision...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Point out where I used 'freight trains' and 'cars' as analogies. Or are you attempting to shift goal posts once again? I recall one personal who used such analogies, however he is a truther just like yourself, and I have criticized him just as much for the flawed physics involved.

He's probably referring to my comment:

Can you next describe to us how smashing two Matchbox cars together proves that the debris field caused by the real-life collision of two similar vehicles is in fact a bald-faced lie by our government, and that it was all just a setup using explosives?

Vroom! Vroom! Kur-pow!

 

[Grizzly Bear]

He's probably referring to my comment:

He still misfired in his response as you were not comparing a collapse to the impact of two cars, you were comparing scale just as I was... (IE would the impact of two matchbox cars result in the same kind of debris field as in the crash of two full scale cars?)

The incident I am talking about is in a separate thread, which the poster was attempting to compare impact train cars to the collapse of the towers, pretty much the same as what turbo tried to do in his post.

He is claiming that based on the fact that the bricks are not crushed, the same result should have been expected in a steel tower at a massively different scale, material construction, and proportion... That was my general point....

 

[Myriad]

I can't believe I'm wasting my time trying to explain this stuff. Most of the members here have double standards and just run around in circles.

Well, Turbo, I decided to be open-minded so I tried your bricks experiment. And guess what?

The brick tower collapsed completely leaving only dust and small (brick-sided) pieces of debris. 75% of the debris overlapped the original tower's footprint, while 25% of it was some distance away, despite the collapse being entirely gravitationally driven. (Note that I did not throw the brick down as you advised, but simply dropped it).

So, the result of the experiment you yourself suggested was to reproduce the complete collapse of the towers, including the horizontal ejection of some debris and the creation of dust, with no explosives required.

This result is entirely consistent with 9/11 not being an inside job.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Turbofan]

Ladies, and gents.

Notice many of you (all but one) have not even attempted to answer the
original questions.

Notice that many of you can use cars, trains, or whatever else to simulate
the collapse, but bricks are not allowed here.

 

[johnny karate]

Turbofan: If the collapse of the towers was so odd and in such violation of the laws of physics that a layperson such as yourself can perceive these oddities and violations merely by looking at photos of the collapse, then why hasn't any of this been discerned and/or revealed by a single MSM outlet, law enforcement agency, or investigative body on the planet?

Hey, Turbofan! Any particular reason you keep avoiding this question?

It's fairly obvious that you will not accept anything anyone tells you that contradicts your beliefs. You seem utterly convinced that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

If that's the case, then why are your stunning and easily discernible revelations beings ignored the world over by the MSM, law enforcement agencies, and other investigative bodies?

 

[~enigma~]

Ladies, and gents.

Notice many of you (all but one) have not even attempted to answer the
original questions.

Notice that many of you can use cars, trains, or whatever else to simulate
the collapse, but bricks are not allowed here.

Are you afraid to answer this...After the first 0.5 seconds of slippage IN THE AREA OF IMPACT explain what power could have prevented collapse. Also explain why a 15 story chunk of office building would not and could not have caused an overload of the remaining heat weakened columns IN THE AREA OF IMPACT?

 

[~enigma~]

why are your stunning and easily discernible revelations beings ignored the world over by the MSM, law enforcement agencies, and other investigative bodies?

Because they reside in that dark and lonely space between his ears.

 

[Bananaman]

Turbo:

Notice many of you (all but one) have not even attempted to answer the
original questions.

Notice you've avoided answering anything at all. All you do when cornered is say "that's irrelevant", not that your arbitration of what's relevant or irrelevant matters a damn to anyone over the age of twelve, but it's frustrating to see you squirm out so off-handedly.

Try standing up straight and answering some of the more pertinent questions in this thread, or otherwise retreat to your present position as a twerp.

Bananaman.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

How can anybody possibly be stupid enough to think that the dust is moving upwards? SERIOUSLY. No one can possibly be that stupid.

 

[beachnut]

OP author, earns an F in physics.

Balsamo would add, "thread close" (no truth for you)




Come on Turbofan, present some calculations, show you have not earned the grade of F, actually a gift!

Come on Turbofan, present some calculations to prove you are not as challenge in physics as your cars and trains simulation rant makes you appear. If you use Jones on 9/11 issues, he has no rational ideas on 9/11, and will lead you to a lower grade. Jones can explain terms in Cold Fusion, but clearly is crackers on momentum when it comes mixed with gravity and structural failure. Jones, a theoretic researcher, cold fusion, with no practical real world experience, or understanding; proven by his rant on 9/11.

Try to answer some questions and stop using the standard spam of stupid questions.