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Fyziks 101

Turbofan said:
Really? Then what force broke that core apart? I would obviously need
some sort large mass to squish it down vertically within seconds!
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The core could not stand alone. After the lateral support from the connections between the permieter and th floor and the core was broken, then core collapsed.


TF said:
Right...300 ft of tower is missing before the support structure descends.

It's clearly shown in the video, and still frame photos linked in the first post.
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This is a lie. I have seen the videos they do not show what you say they do.

TF said:
Because of the 47 core columns, and 230+ perimeter columns.
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How was the floor connected to those core and permiter columns? This is what gave way first.

TF said:
The pancake theory was debunked long ago my friend. Start catching up to the new NIST excuse.
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This is not the pancake collapse initiation theory. This is the collapse progression theory as described by NIST in the December FAqs. care to disprove their calculations?

TF said:
Well, who are you going to believe? The truthers, or NIST? NIST says some of the core columns were damaged. I guess we're at least mid point within the tower huh?
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So all walls on the impact floor would have been knocked down? Even ones hidden by the core?

TF said:
No debris shooting out the plane hole though!
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And?

If you were half as smart as you think you are you would see you should have run back to the FDR thread. You are unable to understand the most basic of concepts and run away and refuse to answer simple questions when you realise you are wrong.
 
I think Turbofan should start by reading the NIST report before making all these absurdly untrue claims about the building design. Clearly he has absolutely no understanding of the structure, so why wouldn't he read the report so he could learn about it?
 
Jonnyclueless said:
I think Turbofan should start by reading the NIST report before making all these absurdly untrue claims about the building design. Clearly he has absolutely no understanding of the structure, so why wouldn't he read the report so he could learn about it?
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Truthers read? Are you losing touch with reality?
 
Turbofan said:
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How fast did we calculate the building to be moving within the first second?

No more than 9.8 m/s correct? (Notice everyone, that's speed, not acceleration )
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No, after the first second the building is not moving at 9.81 m/s. Assuming a simple model.

At .87 second the building impacts the first floor below at 8.52 m/s, and instantly the new velocity is 7.86 m/s to strike the next floor at 1.27 seconds at 11.6 m/s. But no, the speed of the collapsing building is not 9/81 m/s after 1 second.

I thought you left to go to physics class?
 
beachnut said:
No, after the first second the building is not moving at 9.81 m/s. Assuming a simple model.

At .87 second the building impacts the first floor below at 8.52 m/s, and instantly the new velocity is 7.86 m/s to strike the next floor at 1.27 seconds at 11.6 m/s. But no, the speed of the collapsing building is not 9/81 m/s after 1 second.

I thought you left to go to physics class?
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I think you should take a class or two:

You just stated that the upper section hitting the floor(s) below ACCELERATED?

Once again, the floors have nothing to do with this!!! It's not a pancake
collapse! Columns are connected inside and out! You should learn how
the tower is actually constructed.

The floors could pancake down all day long, but you still have the core
to deal with.

You can't even give a reasonable explanation for the core columns throughout
your guessing.
 
Turbofan is reduced to sputtering incoherent nonsense now I see.
 
Turbofan said:
You can't even give a reasonable explanation for the core columns throughout
your guessing.
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I gave you something to look at, you ignored it. How do we make you understand something you outright reject despite being a coherent subject? :rolleyes:

We gave you the explanation, but being the 'fyziks' genius you are you outright rejected what is a very simple concept in architecture and engineering.
 
Turbofan said:
I think you should take a class or two:

You just stated that the upper section hitting the floor(s) below ACCELERATED?
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Yes... the impact with the floor below reduces the acceleration some but when the floor gives way due to the dynamic load, ot, plus the other floors above fall another floor height. The net acceleration gain is greater than what is lost impacting the floors...

Turbofan said:
Once again, the floors have nothing to do with this!!! It's not a pancake collapse!
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You are stuck in that world of collapse initiation. The initiating event was due to column failure in the impact zone.

But the progression was a pancake collapse. You can reject that all day but it happened during the progression whether you claim it did or not

Turbofan said:
Columns are connected inside and out! You should learn how the tower is actually constructed.
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Right back atchya'... What I find hilarious is that you claim it didn't pancake yet right in front of you, we've shown the remnant core columns standing (even if only briefly) after the main collapse (supporting a pancake progression) and then you complain that the core shouldn't have collapsed (despite most rational people knowing that they were not design for horizontal forces)...

I thinks you are utterly confused about what you're arguing here... Try getting you claims straight... You can't seem to decide which to use to support you claims
 
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and he's been on my ignore list since page 2. really, anyone could see his nonsense from page 1. I gave him a chance to redeem himself, but like all troofers who come here, nothing but hot air.
 
Turbofan said:
I think you should take a class or two:

You just stated that the upper section hitting the floor(s) below ACCELERATED?

Once again, the floors have nothing to do with this!!! It's not a pancake
collapse! Columns are connected inside and out! You should learn how
the tower is actually constructed.
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Yo! Physics genius! Even half in-the-bag and with only a high school understanding of Newtonian physics, it's self-evident that the floors accelerated. Wanna know why? 'Cuz they started from a static (not in motion) state! Ergo, any motion on their part over a given span of time represents acceleration from the previous span of time. What you seem to have been ducking-and-weaving is the amount of acceleration and the size of the forces involved. Whether this has to do with avoidance on your part or lack of understanding is out of my purview.
 
Turbofan said:
Well geez, we all better run outside soon because our houses are going to fall from gravity!
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Well, if you were to weaken or remove the key structural components of your house, it most certainly would fall from gravity.

I would have thought that point rather obvious.
 
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but TurboFan...if the floors pancaked "all day long" as you state they could have, what would then be connecting the core and outer columns that you claim were still connected?
 
Corsair 115 said:
Well, if you were to weaken or remove the key structural components of your house, it most certainly would fall from gravity.

I would have thought that point rather obvious.
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I don't think most Truthers have figured out that there's an actual reason why we need to have columns etc in buildings or that bad things can happen when these are damaged/destroyed.
 
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