Fundamentalism and Children

They don't really teach whether it's "true" or "false".

Well, this is the most wishy washy synagogue I have ever heard of but obviously it is you that doesn't know much a bout religion. Are you suggesting that the vast majority of churches/synagogues/temples/ teach that the very tenets of their religion are anything BUT true?

Could you give us some references.

I find your statement about your own synagogue very hard to believe, do they have a website where they say these are all just myths? Can you give us the address?

Wow! What a lot of effort for your rabbi to go to for something that is just a myth!
 
I am always curious when I hear about supposed atheists that switch. What sort of atheist were they--or were they just "unchurched"-- hadn't thought about it.

You mean like Kirk Cameron, he claims he was an atheist before his decent into lunacy?
 
You mean like Kirk Cameron, he claims he was an atheist before his decent into lunacy?

These supposed atheists were never atheists to anyone they knew-- they just hadn't been seized by any faith as far as I can tell. But theists are always dishonest to promote their belief... just like creationists... so I always take the "I used to be an atheist, but..." or even the "I'm an atheist, but..." with a grain of salt. I know a lot of atheists... I don't know anyone who is an "atheist, but..." Believers and apologists are always protecting faith so they must think it's good for something or that there are some benefits to encouraging the "faith is good" meme-- I wish they could say what it was. When people would say that they think kids should be raised with religion, I always asked why, but I only got vague, nonsensical answers. I don't think people know the reason... I think it's just this deeply embedded belief from childhood that "faith is good"-- or maybe some sort of childish pascal's wager thing... What else could it be? Or maybe they don't want to examine their own faith or even ask themselves if it's good to promote faith as a means of knowledge. I just wish someone could make me understand--but I don't think they understand why they are protecting faith-- or even that they are protecting faith.
 
I have a friend who was a lifelong atheist, until she fell in love with a Catholic. They're married. She can be downright preachy these days. It would be poetic justice if some of the people who say religion is child abuse had a child and that happened to her. Would you be telling her that she was abusing your grandchildren?

If she would stop preaching at me for long enough and actually listen and think, then YES! Absolutley!

Why ever not?

If you're not part of a solution, you're part of the problem
 
So what does he think about their truths as opposed to his truths? Does he think they are mistaken while he was born into the "chosen religion"? Does he believe that an invisible entity cares what he "believes"? Does he think faith is special and good-- particularly his faith? Does he think it must be true since dad endorses it? Or do you let him know it's more about culture and heritage. Does he like it? Does he want to go? Why make him go? How is he better because of it? What are you afraid will happen if you neglect his religious education? Why is his education so important that you would gladly cover for Jesus camp and tell those kiddies to tough it out so that no one could keep you from your important indoctrination?

There's so many assumptions behind these questions that it's hard to answer. mu would be good in some cases.

I don't know about "his truth" vs. "their truth". The idea of "chosen people" isn't really all that current among Jews, especially of the liberal variety, these days. I suppose he thinks it is good to believe in God. He does. He doesn't think that his religion is any better than anyone else's, though, and he doesn't look down on people who don't.

As for why I chose a religious education for him there are two basic reasons. One is simply that I thought the school was better academically than the public school. On a different level, though, I think that public schools are very lacking in that nebulous "values" education. They are justifiably paranoid about venturing into any subject that touches on religion, and so they avoid those subjects. They leave them to the parents, but a lot of the parents then don't bother.

Upthread I posted the "obligations without measure" as something that religion teaches that is important. In his own special way, qayak pointed out that those aren't really religious values and you don't need to teach religion to teach those values. He's absolutely right. You don't. Nevertheless, I think it's good to spend some time thinking about those things, and while you could, as an atheist, do exactly that, frequently people don't. I wanted to make sure that my kid did.
 
Well, this is the most wishy washy synagogue I have ever heard of but obviously it is you that doesn't know much a bout religion. Are you suggesting that the vast majority of churches/synagogues/temples/ teach that the very tenets of their religion are anything BUT true?

Could you give us some references.

I find your statement about your own synagogue very hard to believe, do they have a website where they say these are all just myths? Can you give us the address?

Wow! What a lot of effort for your rabbi to go to for something that is just a myth!

For privacy reasons, I've decided not to actually mention the specific Temple I belong to, although I've said enought that if you were truly interested it wouldn't be hard to figure out. There aren't all that many of them.

I think you would find that most Reform Jews consider them legends, and most Reform Rabbis teach it as such. There is also a small but growing group called Reconstructionist Jews that teach, officially, that there is no such thing as a personal God.

I'll see if I can find a good web link that describes that sort of teaching.

ETA: Here's an interesting link that was the first hit I got when typing "Can I convert to Judaism if I don't believe in God" into google. (I did not use the quotes)

http://judaism.about.com/od/conversi2/f/conv_god.htm
 
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