Actually, I was just pointing out how the word has been defined by some regular participants in these discussions. I don't mind referring to a religious upbringing as indoctrination. It is. I simply don't share your opinion that such indoctrination impedes their ability to make a different choice when they are adult.
They you simply don't know what you're writing about. Indoctrination is antithetical to free choice.
I'm sorry if you have a difficult childhood and feel your parents should have been restrained from raising you in the manner you were raised. But I have my own first hand experiences of such an upbringing and they differ significantly from yours despite overt similiarities in the religion. Do you think you can identify what it is that made your experiences abusive and your parents deserving of fines or prison for what they did to you as opposed to what my parents did to me, which I consider to be a loving upbringing making their best effort to do a good job, but making a few mistakes as well.
That portion of my post had nothing to do with my personal experience or whatever claptrap you're feeding your children. You evasion is noted.
Sigh. I guess this will be a short conversation. I'm sorry you feel that way about my posts. I'll try not to respond to you again.
Not short enough for me. I merely wanted to tell you that I find your posts nearly incomprehensible in their circularity and lack of definition. Work on it. In the meantime, I don't mind not hearing from you again.
Actually no, that data wouldn't imply what you think, because it doesn't take into account how often and how many people change over time. You could have every person changing at least once during their lives and that wouldn't necessarily affect the proportion. It would be supportive evidence, but it's not proof because if the changes occur at equal rates - i.e. for every 100 people who convert to catholism, 100 cathlics convert to other religions with equal proportions.
This is a perfect exmple of evasion. I proposed that you do a historical study of the distribution of credos from one generation to another because, earlier, you had stated that people tend to stick with the religion they were taught. Now, you're arguing that's not true because faith in the USA is a chaotic system. It can't be both at the same time. So, are you now admitting that you were wrong in that the reason people stick with the same religion voluntarily or is it because of lingering childhood coercion?
BTW, any argument by you that the distribution of adherent in the USA, a characteristic that is non-random, is variable due to infinite degrees of freedom (chaotic) does you little service as a competent statistician. Weather is more random than religious belief but it's not chaotic. (That's just an example, dear. Time to hit the books again, huh?)
A more serious problem is that worldwide, religious freedom is not a reality. Differences in the climate of religious freedom in various countries would also affect those proportions. However, we could look at just the US where religious freedom is part of our founding constitution. So, does the data for the US support your contention? Let's see:
At this site:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm, we find the following information:
eta: I find it interesting that the others countries that have experienced this trend also have a climate of religious freedom similar to the US. None of them forbid parents from raising their children in whatever religion they choose.
I'm stunned by your dishonesty. Really. I went to your link and you really should switch careers to cherry-harvester. The author there (borrowing freely from a study) is making a broad generalization. In the past eleven years, the number of self-described christians has dropped rougly six percent. Really, that small a drop shouldn't effect the experiment I proposed very much, if at all. It also belies your fantasy that kids don't strongly adhere to the nonsense they were indoctrinated in.
So, it seems that the distribution of faiths in the US over the past few decades has indeed been changing significantly and that young adults are quite likely to leave their parent's faith. To me, this is evidence that implies that despite having being religiously raised, people are able to freely choose otherwise as adults.
No, not significantly. You are deluded. Please, please, please put me back on your Ignore List. You claimed that you would win over people with whom you disagree by patiently winning them over with logic, I find that your use of the IL is hypocritical. However, I have no need of corresponding wth people who misrepresent the facts, either.
