From Rapture Ready

[Ethnikos]

Yes sir, no two ways about it, Russia is bullying its Caucasian provinces and the free countries of the Caucasus that were formerly part of the Soviet Union. And this means? Nothing much, really. If you read a book about the conquest of the Caucasus region by the Russians under Czar Nicholas I, in th nineteenth century, called "The Sabers of Paradise," you'll see that nothing much has changed. This is ahardly the march to the Tribulation.

Thanks for the book recommendation.
I have my own theory, which is if you were Israel and reading prophecies about Gog and Magog, or whatever, you might be slightly paranoid about Russia. If you look at the geography for a land route between Russia and Israel, the tunnel would be the best shot. I spent some time last year on Virtual Earth studying it. There are some crazy bad mountains and you can see why they would have built the tunnel in the first place. The reason they might be concerned about Russia is all these tons of bunker buster bombs the US gave Israel for blowing up targets in Iran.

 

[six7s]

Thanks for the book recommendation.
I have my own theory, which is if you were Israel and reading prophecies about Gog and Magog, or whatever, you might be slightly paranoid about Russia. If you look at the geography for a land route between Russia and Israel, the tunnel would be the best shot.

Why would Moscow want direct access to Jerusalem?

 

[Ethnikos]

Why would Moscow want direct access to Jerusalem?

The question should be, why would Israel not want Russia to have direct access to them.

 

[six7s]

The question should be, why would Israel not want Russia to have direct access to them.

If you actually have a point to make, then please make it

Otherwise, please resist the urge to post any more inane waffle

TYIA

 

[elbe]

Why would Moscow want direct access to Jerusalem?

Well, that crappy book Left Behind starts with Russia sending an allout nuclear attack against Israel, that's gotta mean something, right?!

 

[RoboTimbo]

[Satan] kills off the good people and brings about a new race to populate the Earth, with people who take his image and swear allegiance to him.

Ethnikos, you failed to answer earlier. How is this distinguishable from your god's handiwork?

 

[Paulhoff]

You can accept Jesus as your savior and he will give you the Holy Ghost who will change you to be fit to live.
That is the power of God. As for rebellion and those who refuse to submit to being changed, there is death. The central rebel is Satan who has the power of corruption that can make you truly evil. You are not the main target of God's wrath, but you can join Satan in his future death, by affiliating yourself with him.

I'm still waiting for your so-called proof of these magical beings, and the real need for them. Has a child, I already knew that I was being feed BS, the world around me showed me that, but the people feeding me that stuff knew little to nothing about the world in which they lived, but miracles of miracles they knew all about so-called god and Jesus.

Funny how in the beginning of the bible there was only one so-called god and then it became three, people seem to like things to come in threes.

It is also funny that for a so-called all powerful being, it only has two things that can happen to you after death, and that is the one heaven and two hell. Not a very creative being you have there.

I would like to know, what the hell did the animals do to now have disease and death, because when they where in so-called Eden all was sweet and nice. Their parents weren’t so-called Adam and EVE, their parents didn’t sin, so why is all the same BS happening to them as with people, and damn, they don’t get to go to heaven after they die, what a raw deal they got. Wait, they don’t have a soul and so-called free will, gee that makes it all OK now, sorry.

Paul

 

[Ethnikos]

Well, that crappy book Left Behind starts with Russia sending an allout nuclear attack against Israel, that's gotta mean something, right?!

[IMGL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=216&pictureid=1280[/IMGL]I would not put any credence in that book series. I made a little montage from some pics I found of property in Israel owned by the Russian Orthodox Church. I doubt Russia is going to take out Jerusalem. I guess they could do Tel Aviv.

These are the Mount of Olives Ascension Convent, Russian Orthodox Church at Ein Kerem, the Church of St. Mary Magdalene.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Considering all the Russian Orthodox churches in the United States I guess that whole Cold War thing was a pretty shallow threat.

 

[paximperium]

You can accept Jesus as your savior and he will give you the Holy Ghost who will change you to be fit to live.
That is the power of God. As for rebellion and those who refuse to submit to being changed, there is death. The central rebel is Satan who has the power of corruption that can make you truly evil. You are not the main target of God's wrath, but you can join Satan in his future death, by affiliating yourself with him.

What a non-answer. Your fantasy god is too pathetically weak or too apathetic to take out this Satan character. Even as a fictional character, YHWH is pretty lame and incompetent.

 

[paximperium]

I would not put any credence in that book series.

I put as much credence to the Left Behind series as your paranoid conspiracy addled fantasies.

I made a little montage from some pics I found of property in Israel owned by the Russian Orthodox Church. I doubt Russia is going to take out Jerusalem. I guess they could do Tel Aviv.

Why? Do tell.

 

[Ethnikos]

Considering all the Russian Orthodox churches in the United States I guess that whole Cold War thing was a pretty shallow threat.

[IMGL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=216&pictureid=1281[/IMGL]
Jerusalem is like a prize, or some kind of jewel, that no one is about to blow up. That's why the Russians would rather run over the Jews like they do to the Palestinians in Gaza.
These church properties were being taken care of by what called itself, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russian. Now Russia has a new interest in these holdings in Jerusalem and got Israel to help them physically throw the ROCOR out, and replaced them with their ROC people.
Jews who emigrated from Russia were allowed to bring a Christian family member with them, so there are a lot of the ROC living as Israeli citizens.

 

[Ethnikos]

What a non-answer. Your fantasy god is too pathetically weak or too apathetic to take out this Satan character. Even as a fictional character, YHWH is pretty lame and incompetent.

God has to do things in such a way as not not have evil get the upper hand, ever again, anywhere.

What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. Nahum 1:9

God is doing what is the most Just.

The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. Psalm 145:17

Satan will inevitably be done away with.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Revelation 12:10

 

[paximperium]

God has to do things in such a way as not not have evil get the upper hand, ever again, anywhere.

So your god has limitations? Weak isn't he? Sorry, you fantasy character created a problem and set the rules but is limited by it? What nonsense.

So is your god pathetically weak, incompetant or just apathetic?

Satan will inevitably be done away with.

So what's your fantasy god waiting for? The creation of a super penile enhancer? A big gun?

Why does all your apologetics seem to make your god seem more pathetic the harder you try?

 

[TimCallahan]

I have my own theory, which is if you were Israel and reading prophecies about Gog and Magog, or whatever, you might be slightly paranoid about Russia. If you look at the geography for a land route between Russia and Israel, the tunnel would be the best shot. I spent some time last year on Virtual Earth studying it. There are some crazy bad mountains and you can see why they would have built the tunnel in the first place. The reason they might be concerned about Russia is all these tons of bunker buster bombs the US gave Israel for blowing up targets in Iran.

A tunnel from where to where? From Russia north of the Caucasus Mountains all the way to Israel? Are you serious?

Also, what is the reason Russia would want to attack Israel? Hal Lindsey had some lame speculations that it would be for food or for the great mineral wealth of the Dead Sea. Both speculations are absurd. The middle east is hardly a bread-basket, and Russia has far more mineral wealth in the Ural mountains and the Caspian depression than can be found in or near the Dead Sea. Oil is also out of the question, since Israel doesn't have great oil wealth, while Russia does.

As to the Gog and Magog prophecy in Ezekiel 38 and 39; to the degree that these names can be identified with anyone, it woud be the Scythians, who, as the Assyrian Empire was collapsing, crossed the Caucasus Mountains and ravaged the Middle East as far as Egypt. They were still in control of areas of the region when the Medes and Chaldeans divided up the Assyrian Empire between them. Eventually, the Medes had to drive them back across the Caucasus. Thus, for Ezekiel's time, an invasion by barbarians from north of the Caucasus Mountains was still a viable threat.

The Scythians were eventually conquered by the Sarmatians, who, in their turn fell to the Huns. As the Slavic peoples slowly expanded across the Russian steppe, a successoin of nomadic empires rose and fell in that region: the Avars, The Magyars, the Cumans and finally the Mongols. All these nomads are gone or have been absorbed by the Russians. And that is the only, pathetically tenuous link by which Russia can be identified with Gog and Magog.

 

[Elizabeth I]

It's fascinating to watch people go through these contortions to make the real world appear to accord with their delusions.

 

[six7s]

It's called being flexible:

 

[shadron]

The way I look at it is: what if Da Vinci, Galileo, Tesla, and Einstein were still alive and they had been able to continue their work they had to leave unfinished? Wouldn't that be cool. There really isn't any reason to think it has to be much different than that, as far as I am concerned.

On the other hand, I can think of little that would disgust me more than to see Da Vinci, Einstein, Tesla and Galileo arguing over the meaning of original sin, or simply staring in blissed out rapture. Besides, what would be the point in any human endeavour when it is blindingly obvious that all that was only an arbitrary test case?

A rabbi was once asked what he thought about Albert Einstein when the latter was feted in New York after being forced to emigrate. The rabbi remarked that he was in awe of the man's brains, but what a waste it was that he was arguing about aspects of this world when he could have been immersed in the arcanities of Jewish relions, ethics and law. "He could have been an expert on the Kaballah!"

 

[The Man]

Now that would have been something, relativity based on Kaballahmatics as opposed to kinematics. Somehow I do not think it would have had the same impact, but we will never know.

 

[Paulhoff]

This is there so-called male god, it is standing up nice and straight on it's feet, and the picture makes more sense then what they say about it.

Paul