From Rapture Ready

[TimCallahan]

Here is part of a story current on Google news:
Obama is set to arrive in Moscow on Monday with his wife Michelle, for a visit which includes talks with Medvedev and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and an onward trip to the Group of Eight summit in Italy and Ghana.
The US president announced on the eve of the G20 summit in London on April 1 that he would visit Russia in July, in line with his administration's bid to "reset" US ties with Moscow.
Relations between the two former Cold War foes deteriorated after a warm start under the presidency of George W. Bush amid disputes over the proposed US missile defense shield and the Russia-Georgia war last year.{end of article}
Some smart analysts think the talks will go badly, since these problems have only gotten worse. This meeting might serve as a good cover, by saying, "I tried to work things out.", for starting hostilities back up. The problem is that the amount and lethality of the weaponry has escalated.
Not really. Just getting rid of "state secrecy" would uncover enough stuff we could use.
I think I can commit to that. What would you accept as a reasonable substitute for "nukes"? How about the tunnel being put out of commission for a year? That's the objective, and they are prepared to use nukes, if necessary.

So your answer to my challenge to porvide evidence for your assertion of nefarious goings on - involving all kinds of conspiracies between the CIA, Mossad etc., and ending with someone using nuclear weapons by July 15 - is a news story about a comparitively new American president, who hasn't visited Russia yet, getting ready to visit Russia? That's it? This is simply ludicrous.

No, I would NOT accept a tunnel being put out of commission for a year as a reasonable substitute for the military use of tactical nuclear weapons. I don't see any comparison at all between the two events. However, if you can tell me what tunnel this is and why it has something to do with your march-toward-Tribulation scenario, I'll add that to the list of what's supposed to happen by July 15.

 

[elbe]

What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer...

That King mentioned once in the KJV version of Isaiah? What does he have to do with anything?

Poor guy, apparently he once had high aspirations and now everyone thinks he's the devil.

 

[ThatSoundAgain]

Cool name, though.

 

[Sun Countess]

Sorry. I had no idea. I will try to avoid saying that again. I just figured that anyone who was not a big fan of life would not be around to post on forums.

I never said I wasn't a big fan of life. I'm a super big fan of the life that I'm living right now. I'm just not looking forward to another better life after this one, which is what I objected to.

Maybe it's because I know there won't be another better life after this one. Or maybe it's because everytime someone explains how awesome this better life will be, and how it's going to last forever, I know I don't want any part of it. The awesomeness, as described, is usually ridiculous and not what I would personally classify as awesome. And the forever part? Totally sucks. I don't see how that's used as a selling point.

 

[ToddH]

And the forever part? Totally sucks. I don't see how that's used as a selling point.

What? You don't find worshipping at Yahweh's feet and stroking his ego for an eternity bliss?

And why does Yahweh need our worship? Does he have a problem with low self-esteem?

 

[Elizabeth I]

It is Satan unrestrained. Up until now, he has been restrained. Satan has to be let loose in order to complete his wicked work and to show how he really is. That is the way that there will be indisputable proof that he deserves to be destroyed. Unfortunately a lot of people will be affected in a negative sort of way.
Satan wants to be God and he wants to imitate Him and to the extent he is able, to bring about a counterfeit creation. To do that, he kills off the good people and brings about a new race to populate the Earth, with people who take his image and swear allegiance to him.

What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer and everyone there thought he was just the greatest thing ever? If you found out he had been killed by God, you might think God was really evil. The next time God shows up to tour your galaxy, people would boycott the reception as a protest against what seemed like an unjust act. Things would deteriorate from there.
If there was a war that you could blame directly on Lucifer, that blows up the whole world, the other galaxy might still be OK with God. You could still, from the viewpoint of being one getting blown up, feel that your life is worth more than a PR stunt. But you have to think of it more like you are saving the other galaxy from going down the same road we did.

I don't know that I have ever seen such concentrated crazy. All this and political/economic conspiracy woo, too. I don't know why your head doesn't asplode.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

God's judgement isn't genocide.

I've never understood this one. The definition of genocide is, to quote the CPPCG,

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.​

The multiple Holocaust-reminiscent horrors of the Old Testament certainly fit the bill. If you changed your statement slightly to "genocide is OK when God does it", at least you wouldn't be making up definitions.

Genocide isn't a word like 'murder'. It has no qualifier like 'when done by an evil person' or 'when done in malice'. Saying that killing a whole ethnic group isn't genocide when God does it is like saying that driving under the influence of three litres of wine wouldn't be drunk driving if God did it. Words have a specific meaning, Ethnikos, and genocide is no exception.

The only monsters around are human beings themselves.

I truly don't understand. We're talking about God ordering and committing genocide. What does the emo 'humans are evil, evil sinners' stance of fundamentalist Christianity got to do with that?

To think that you can just get away with your sin and God is supposed to allow it? Are you truly that blind?

A meaningless sentence when one looks at all the sinners going unpunished, while good people die young of leukaemia.

That's alright, you keep on believing he is a monster. You will pay the price for your ignorance.

The only thing more disturbing than this sentence, or the fact that you seem to sincerely want fellow humans to be tortured for eternity, is that you don't realize how you sound like the henchman of some evil dictator.

Communist opposer (angrily, at end of heated debate about the East German government): Bernard... honestly, I couldn't care less. Things aren't going to get better. All you're getting out of building the wall and suppressing free thought is the alienation of the rest of Europe and a downward spiral into oppression and poverty and the eventual collapse of East Germany!

Communist sympathizer (with a sneer): "you say that now... but let's see how you feel when you stand in front of the Stasi!"

 

[Foster Zygote]

What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer and everyone there thought he was just the greatest thing ever? If you found out he had been killed by God, you might think God was really evil. The next time God shows up to tour your galaxy, people would boycott the reception as a protest against what seemed like an unjust act. Things would deteriorate from there.
If there was a war that you could blame directly on Lucifer, that blows up the whole world, the other galaxy might still be OK with God. You could still, from the viewpoint of being one getting blown up, feel that your life is worth more than a PR stunt. But you have to think of it more like you are saving the other galaxy from going down the same road we did.

We really need an R&P version of the Stundies.

 

[RoboTimbo]

We really need an R&P version of the Stundies.

Ooh, nice suggestion! There is no lack of material.

 

[Ethnikos]

I never said I wasn't a big fan of life. I'm a super big fan of the life that I'm living right now. I'm just not looking forward to another better life after this one, which is what I objected to.

Maybe it's because I know there won't be another better life after this one. Or maybe it's because everytime someone explains how awesome this better life will be, and how it's going to last forever, I know I don't want any part of it. The awesomeness, as described, is usually ridiculous and not what I would personally classify as awesome. And the forever part? Totally sucks. I don't see how that's used as a selling point.

Me making assumptions, again. Thanks for explaining that, it helps.
The way I look at it is: what if Da Vinci, Galileo, Tesla, and Einstein were still alive and they had been able to continue their work they had to leave unfinished? Wouldn't that be cool. There really isn't any reason to think it has to be much different than that, as far as I am concerned. There is a group of people, described in Revelation as the First Fruits, who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. That is probably not the one you want to be in. Don't worry about that. The people you are thinking about, who want to spend eternity praising God, non stop, will be on tour with Jesus going from Galaxy to Galaxy, showing everyone how great it is that these people were saved. The people into that sort of thing will be in the group. We will be left in peace from annoyance from that sort, and we can go back to pursuing our interests, here.

 

[Ethnikos]

So your answer to my challenge to porvide evidence for your assertion of nefarious goings on - involving all kinds of conspiracies between the CIA, Mossad etc., and ending with someone using nuclear weapons by July 15 - is a news story about a comparitively new American president, who hasn't visited Russia yet, getting ready to visit Russia? That's it? This is simply ludicrous.

No, I would NOT accept a tunnel being put out of commission for a year as a reasonable substitute for the military use of tactical nuclear weapons. I don't see any comparison at all between the two events. However, if you can tell me what tunnel this is and why it has something to do with your march-toward-Tribulation scenario, I'll add that to the list of what's supposed to happen by July 15.

Use this link to an article with a picture of the tunnel. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/01/georgia.russia?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews
Sorry about not giving you more info. This is stuff I hear on the radio, so it is not anything I am coming up with myself. My source is just this guy who I brought up a while back, who was regarded by this group as a nut or quack; Dr, Bill Deagle. He studies all these news events and comes up with conclusions. I do not take the trouble to do much research on it myself because he gets a lot of inside info from different whistle-blowers.
There is a lot of stuff going on with Israel that we never hear about in the US. There is things on a limited time to do things inside of. I realize that is bad English but that is how I can explain it.

 

[Ethnikos]

I'm sorry, your attempt to justify your god's pathetic failure and apathetic evil is rather lame. So your god is apparently too weak and pathetic to do anything without killing or is too idiotic to deal with his mistake running wild.

You can accept Jesus as your savior and he will give you the Holy Ghost who will change you to be fit to live.
That is the power of God. As for rebellion and those who refuse to submit to being changed, there is death. The central rebel is Satan who has the power of corruption that can make you truly evil. You are not the main target of God's wrath, but you can join Satan in his future death, by affiliating yourself with him.

 

[elbe]

You can accept Jesus as your savior and he will give you the Holy Ghost who will change you to be fit to live.
That is the power of God. As for rebellion and those who refuse to submit to being changed, there is death. The central rebel is Satan who has the power of corruption that can make you truly evil. You are not the main target of God's wrath, but you can join Satan in his future death, by affiliating yourself with him.

How 'bout a favor? Can you give me the bible verse that talks about the rebel angel thing?

 

[Ethnikos]

Why do the Chosen insist people don't believe because they want to sin?

It is the mystery of iniquity.
It is the corruption in the church, itself. Church goers would like to think that they are saved by going, and would not want to put the blame on their cherished institution. They would rather find fault in the person who wonders away. Paganism and heathenism has crept into churches to make them indistinguishable from the world. Why leave the church to sin when you can sin in the church and feel quite comfortable about it?

 

[elbe]

Paganism and heathenism has crept into churches to make them indistinguishable from the world. Why leave the church to sin when you can sin in the church and feel quite comfortable about it?

Isn't that sort of backwards? From my recollection, christianity cribbed pagan holidays and themes to make it easier for the pagans to convert and have familiar holidays and what have you.

 

[SezMe]

This is stuff I hear on the radio, so it is not anything I am coming up with myself. My source is just this guy who I brought up a while back, who was regarded by this group as a nut or quack; Dr, Bill Deagle.

Here is his site. Our opinion of him - "a nut or quack" - is exactly correct.

You are your own credibility's worst enemy.

 

[slingblade]

You can accept Jesus as your savior and he will give you the Holy Ghost who will change you to be fit to live.
That is the power of God. As for rebellion and those who refuse to submit to being changed, there is death. The central rebel is Satan who has the power of corruption that can make you truly evil. You are not the main target of God's wrath, but you can join Satan in his future death, by affiliating yourself with him.

Um...gods and devils don't exist. People make them up to scare other people and control them with fear. You do know that, right?

 

[TimCallahan]

Use this link to an article with a picture of the tunnel. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/01/georgia.russia?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews
Sorry about not giving you more info. This is stuff I hear on the radio, so it is not anything I am coming up with myself. My source is just this guy who I brought up a while back, who was regarded by this group as a nut or quack; Dr, Bill Deagle. He studies all these news events and comes up with conclusions. I do not take the trouble to do much research on it myself because he gets a lot of inside info from different whistle-blowers.
There is a lot of stuff going on with Israel that we never hear about in the US. There is things on a limited time to do things inside of. I realize that is bad English but that is how I can explain it.

Yes sir, no two ways about it, Russia is bullying its Caucasian provinces and the free countries of the Caucasus that were formerly part of the Soviet Union. And this means? Nothing much, really. If you read a book about the conquest of the Caucasus region by the Russians under Czar Nicholas I, in th nineteenth century, called "The Sabers of Paradise," you'll see that nothing much has changed. This is ahardly the march to the Tribulation.

 

[SezMe]

Tim, somehow you seem to be consistently screwing up the quote function to make posts by Ethnikos look like yours. Try to make sure your quotes are right.

 

[six7s]

Paganism and heathenism has crept into churches to make them indistinguishable from the world. Why leave the church to sin when you can sin in the church and feel quite comfortable about it?

Isn't that sort of backwards?

Indeed!

From my recollection, christianity cribbed pagan holidays and themes to make it easier for the pagans to convert and have familiar holidays and what have you.

Furthermore, the catholic church is frantically 'rewriting history' - presumably as a 'spin doctoring' exercise in response to dwindling numbers of teh faithful - and making many of the incredible/less-palatable/patently-stoopid aspects of teh catechism null and void... much to the surprise of (col)lapsed catholics the whirled over:

YouTube: RELIGULOUS : Disenchanted Vatican Priest Ridicules Christianity​

Father Foster is a senior Vatican Priest, one of the world's greatest experts of ancient Latin and a critic of Christianity. Having been thru the entire ********, the good man pokes fun at the obviously exasperating nonsense of Christianity. Lets have it for the brave man who probably endangered his job by saying the bold truths that he did. Why is he still in the Church? Well after well over half-a-century its hard to start a career all over again, so you just have to "live and die with their stupid ideas"