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[Monster Machine]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it? I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support. I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

Kathy, this is the most ignorant and racist statement I think you have ever made (and you have made a LOT of them)

Can you please explain to me how mainstream Islam is different from mainstream Christianity? MAINSTREAM. Do you really think moderate Muslims (the majority) are a group of blood drinking, rape-pillage-and-torture demons?

Who the hell cares in Obama is an undercover Muslim or not? Why does it matter to you as an individual? Are you so insecure in your faith in God that if he WERE an undercover muslim, your god would somehow be diminished in your eyes?

Grow up Kathy, and please, try to understand this:

THERE IS AN ENTIRE WORLD OF DIFFERING OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR LITTLE NICHE!

Not everyone believes in God, not everyone believes in Allah, and not everyone believes in your rapture. When you cram your beliefs down others throats without being able to support them with evidence, but rather choose feable fear mongering type tactics, you're embarrassing yourself and your religion (or relationship, or whatever you have).

Monster

 

[Trantor]

Ah, I do love reading KK and Doc threads when I visit this site. Like seeing a bad accident on the road; it's hard not to look.

Kathy, if I was a betting man, my bet would be on Obama being a closet Agnostic, rather than a Christian or Muslim. In my opinion, I don't think that he's very religious, but maybe I'm wrong. I know he says that he's a Christian, but in this country, that is needed in order to get elected.

Of course, Obama as a possible Agnostic or Atheist, would be even worse than Obama the closet Muslim to you Christian Fundies. Truly, the End Times are upon us.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I'll take smoking. If there's a Heaven, I want to be able to enjoy my Cohibas.

We'll smoke some cigars with Sam Clemens.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Kathy, this is the most ignorant and racist statement I think you have ever made (and you have made a LOT of them)

Can you please explain to me how mainstream Islam is different from mainstream Christianity? MAINSTREAM. Do you really think moderate Muslims (the majority) are a group of blood drinking, rape-pillage-and-torture demons?

Who the hell cares in Obama is an undercover Muslim or not? Why does it matter to you as an individual? Are you so insecure in your faith in God that if he WERE an undercover muslim, your god would somehow be diminished in your eyes?

Grow up Kathy, and please, try to understand this:

THERE IS AN ENTIRE WORLD OF DIFFERING OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR LITTLE NICHE!

Not everyone believes in God, not everyone believes in Allah, and not everyone believes in your rapture. When you cram your beliefs down others throats without being able to support them with evidence, but rather choose feable fear mongering type tactics, you're embarrassing yourself and your religion (or relationship, or whatever you have).

Monster

I'd love to introduce Kathy to my sister-in-law's father. He's from Turkey and is Muslim. He's a really nice guy who hosts a big party every holiday season for all of the extended family. He even has a Christmas tree with dollar bills tied to it for children to take. His wife is Greek Orthodox, he enjoys fine Cognac, wine or Bourbon in moderation, and his big "secret" is that he enjoys bacon with his breakfast on occasion. Although he is an engineer by trade he is an excellent cook and makes the best damned coffee I've ever had.

It's too bad that Kathy doesn't see Muslims as human beings rather than de-humanized caricatures of evil. To see Christians the way she sees Muslims one would have to assume that the Christian Identity movement with its fantasies of "racial holy war" was representative of the majority of Christians, rather than the lunatic fringe.

 

[slingblade]

Voice of Experience here:

Kathy's form of fundamentalism doesn't work unless one keeps one's mind firmly shut, believes what one is told to believe, and doesn't allow any contradictive information, or heaven forfend, facts, to break the illusion.

She isn't allowed to think that anyone who differs from what she's been taught might be right. That's really all there is to it. She must condemn them, and keep them as outsiders, as "other," as the "them" to her "us."

This is, as we know, because she has been horribly deceived and lied to, and all that is wrapped up in a big package of fear with a threat-of-hellfire bow on top. I believe those come in flame-red, only.

If she ever does start to open her mind, to consider others might know a thing or two, or even that others might be more like her than she suspects, her faith will crumble. The other former Fundies here can confirm this, I have no doubt.

It's sad, but the only one who holds the key to unlocking her mind and her heart is Kathy herself. She must keep pretending she lost it, and can't find it. But someday, perhaps, she will. Many of us did, after all. And I know I was just as bad, once.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Voice of Experience here:

Kathy's form of fundamentalism doesn't work unless one keeps one's mind firmly shut, believes what one is told to believe, and doesn't allow any contradictive information, or heaven forfend, facts, to break the illusion.

She isn't allowed to think that anyone who differs from what she's been taught might be right. That's really all there is to it. She must condemn them, and keep them as outsiders, as "other," as the "them" to her "us."

This is, as we know, because she has been horribly deceived and lied to, and all that is wrapped up in a big package of fear with a threat-of-hellfire bow on top. I believe those come in flame-red, only.

If she ever does start to open her mind, to consider others might know a thing or two, or even that others might be more like her than she suspects, her faith will crumble. The other former Fundies here can confirm this, I have no doubt.

It's sad, but the only one who holds the key to unlocking her mind and her heart is Kathy herself. She must keep pretending she lost it, and can't find it. But someday, perhaps, she will. Many of us did, after all. And I know I was just as bad, once.

Yeah, I remember that even Catholics were regarded as some sort of weird cult. We were constantly told that they worshiped Mary and the Pope. Fortunately, I saw through all that by the time the cute little Latina in the size 3 asked me out to the turnabout dance at her Catholic high school. I can't wait to give her a kiss and a hug when she gets home from work this evening.

 

[Nogbad]

Not entirely sure what is supposed to be "happening over here". Any clues KK?

 

[Fiona]

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world

Unlike a lot of what you choose to say here, Kathy, this is a perfectly simple and easily verifiable matter of fact. Several people from the UK have told you that what you believe is not true. If you imagine they are lying to you then you can search for the laws which you believe to be in place: you will not find them. There is no law against wearing religious symbols in the uk: no law against buying or carrying (or even reading - though that probably does not matter so much to you) books in the uk: there is no law against going to church: there is no law against standing in the street and preaching.

Now are you going to concede you are wrong about this? Are you going to concede that your way of acquiring information about small matters of fact just don't work?

No fancy dancing about some more metaphysical attack on your religion: just a simple statement " I was wrong". Honesty demands it of you Kathy.

 

[Geezer]

Well the amount of hatred and fear you preach is not going to endear you to the Guy who makes that decision.
Wouldn't it be ironic if there is an afterlife and, due to how judgemental, fearmongering and divisive your views are (in contrast to, for example, the understanding and love the Bible is supposed to actually be encouraging), you actually end up in the... "smoking section"?

Maybe there are a lot of people who smugly believe themselves to be 'preaching the word of God' and destined for Heaven who are actually headed to a completely other place.

And maybe the last words they hear before the eternal fires of Hell sear their ears shut will be
"Boy did you guys miss my point..."

Hehe, this old Rowan Atkinson bit popped into my head when I read this

 

[soylent]

What is truly disturbing is how sin has ruined this world, this is why Christians long for heaven because we know it will be perfect, no more pain, war, suffering or evil of any kind.

I don't think any sane person could look at the old testament and conclude that Yahweh is not sheer, malignant, unrepentent evil.

When you look at this world doesn't it seem obvious that it is perishing?

No.

Wars and rumurs of wars just as scripture says but the end drawing nearer each day. (Christiand know this)

We're living in the most peaceful period of human history. It's not even close.

It truly is black and white when it all comes down to the question,"Where do you want to spend eternity?" People who deny Christ send themselves to hell. This is what Christians are warning you not to do, you have to make that descision yourself.

That's why I, as a non-christian, is warning you that you're organising your life around a chain letter from the bronze age.

I say we will never stop praying for the lost as we hope God will save them too. If God can save me I know he can save anyone.

He can't save you, because he doesn't exist. It's just a chain letter. Just as silly as those you find littered in the youtube comments:

"This is a true thing that happens! Repost this msg on 5 videos b4 tommorw or you will die!!1"

 

[shadron]

I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

Oh, that's a distinct possibility. For all of eternity, or 5 billion years, whichever is shorter.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Kathy, this is the most ignorant and racist statement I think you have ever made (and you have made a LOT of them)

Can you please explain to me how mainstream Islam is different from mainstream Christianity? MAINSTREAM. Do you really think moderate Muslims (the majority) are a group of blood drinking, rape-pillage-and-torture demons?

Who the hell cares in Obama is an undercover Muslim or not? Why does it matter to you as an individual? Are you so insecure in your faith in God that if he WERE an undercover muslim, your god would somehow be diminished in your eyes?

Grow up Kathy, and please, try to understand this:

THERE IS AN ENTIRE WORLD OF DIFFERING OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR LITTLE NICHE!

Not everyone believes in God, not everyone believes in Allah, and not everyone believes in your rapture. When you cram your beliefs down others throats without being able to support them with evidence, but rather choose feable fear mongering type tactics, you're embarrassing yourself and your religion (or relationship, or whatever you have).

Monster

Your right I must be more kind when I try to warn others if I think people are being deceived, I'm sorry if I spoke too harshly but I just do not trust Obama and he is appearing to want to cause our nation to fall and become socialistic. Don't you agree this would be a bad thing for the USA? If the rapture doesn't happen in my lifetime I do not want to live in a socialistic country or have this happen to my children or grandchildren.

I also have some very strong concerns about the growing wickedness in the world as we know it and what can be done to change it. I am a California native American girl who does care very much who sits in our Presidents seat taking control of our nation. I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate? Do you know if this is true and if so how the heck could he become president of the US without proof he is an American?

And it would take a lot more time to go into all the difference between Islam and Christianity which I do not intend to go into. All I want to share is I follow Jesus teachings which I know are the truth. And even though I am a sinner in need of God's forgiveness Jesus is the only one who can grant me or anyone that. There is only one way to the Father.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Not entirely sure what is supposed to be "happening over here". Any clues KK?

I'm not sure what you mean by over here? You mean Scotland?

Even though this is a topic that affects people after the rapture of the church, I found this little clip on the internet today about the mark of the beast being related to the RFID which I found a bit alarming. It's something to view and ponder either way as it does seem this RFID will be affecting the whole world. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886083780458588815

 

[Ethnikos]

I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate? Do you know if this is true and if so how the heck could he become president of the US without proof he is an American?

Go to http://www.obamacrimes.info/ to get all the info.
It started out when he ran for US Senator. He was not eligable for that office, so when he got away with that, they must have figured they should just go for it.

 

[Mashuna]

I also have some very strong concerns about the growing wickedness in the world as we know it and what can be done to change it. I am a California native American girl who does care very much who sits in our Presidents seat taking control of our nation. I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate? Do you know if this is true and if so how the heck could he become president of the US without proof he is an American?

Kathy, as with many of the things you have been told and believe, this is a lie.

 

[Hokulele]

It started out when he ran for US Senator. He was not eligable for that office, so when he got away with that, they must have figured they should just go for it.

Seriously? As someone who lives in the state where Obama was born, yes, there is a valid record of his birth on file. The City and County of Honolulu will even send you a notarized copy if you are willing and able to pay their fee. There are enough posts on this in Politics and Conspiracy Theories to lay this issue to rest.

Silliness.

 

[Mashuna]

Seriously? As someone who lives in the state where Obama was born, yes, there is a valid record of his birth on file. The City and County of Honolulu will even send you a notarized copy if you are willing and able to pay their fee. There are enough posts on this in Politics and Conspiracy Theories to lay this issue to rest.

Silliness.

Maybe it's because places like Hawai'i and Honolulu sound foreign? You might need to explain to Kathy (and apparently Ethnikos) that they're part of the US.

 

[Hokulele]

Maybe it's because places like Hawai'i and Honolulu sound foreign? You might need to explain to Kathy (and apparently Ethnikos) that they're part of the US.

Onipa'a!

 

[Mr Clingford]

I've had a good couple of holidays recently in Devon and the Lake District (actually had views!) and I have also avoided this thread but gave up and had a look again.

Oh.

KK, the internet also has some useful sites which refer to sources, like www.snopes.com, which look at claims such as the Obama not being American one.

As another Brit, I can confirm that one can carry a Bible and wear Xtian clothing in public, if one likes.

Really, I do not think that Obama is the anti-Christ. Also he is not trying to turn the USA socialist - remember the Bible, especially the OT prophets were very keen on social justice - the poor being fed etc.

Also, Hawaii is American, although I wouldn't mind if it were British as it seems like a great tourist destination.

 

[Hokulele]

Well, you are mostly right, Mr. Clingford.

Hawai'i is a great tourist destination (almost as nice a the Lake District when there are views ).

Obama really is a legitimate U.S. citizen.

But he is the anti-Christ (we are just keeping that quiet until Armageddon).