From Rapture Ready

[Moochie]

Okay so what part of the UK do you live in and you say you see people wearing cross neckalces and hopefully t-shirts? It's known that the Muslims have succeeded in converting many old churches to mosques already and they won't stop until they try to take over the whole USA which unfortunately I myself see Obama helping them.

Can you point to any evidence for such outrageous claims? I'll bet you can't.

Why can't people stop this?

Why should they? Is it because you think your brand of lunacy is somehow better than theirs? Note I said "lunacy," because the things you've been saying in this forum have little, if anything, to do with Christianity or Christendom.

The fairness act is not fair at all as it serves the Muslim nations to try to shut up all Christians which just isn't fair. We have just as much right to stand up for our faith as anyone does.

Again, I must insist that you provide some evidence for these ridiculous assertions. I'll bet you can't.

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of Gods church and hope Jesus returns soon to fix this mess out. Face it people we need God to fix our world as he has promised to make everything new in a perfect new world with no more sin. I put my hope in him!

Whatever you believe is really quite besides the point. One would hope that if there is a God, he/she would be merciful enough to come to this place and fix you.


M.

 

[Paulhoff]

There is only One Way.....................

Paul

 

[Elizabeth I]

The thing is I have been listening to conspiracy radio since 1975...

OK, all is explained. Move along, folks, nothing more to see here...

 

[The Man]

I can confirm that this is not the case. You can wear any religious symbol you like.

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There are rules about wearing religious symbols to school; veils, crosses etc. Some businesses prefer those dealing with the public to not push their particular poison too. However, in your own time you can wear as many crosses as you like.

The UK is largely a secular place and most people are not that interested in having another person's religious beliefs thrust upon them. Wearing a rapture ready T-Shirt is not a bad idea though. It gives people fair warning not to mention religion.

Say was that still from the old series “The Black Adder” with Rowan Atkinson?

Ok now that I see the URL it’s from “Blackadder II”, never mind.

 

[joobz]

Can you point to any evidence for such outrageous claims? I'll bet you can't.

given her history of unsupported arguments, that's a safe bet.
It's funny how quickly KK is willing to believe the most ludicrous horrible things...provided it's pro-christian.

 

[Foster Zygote]

This is the one I was looking at, from NetBible:

parthenos <3933>1) a virgin 1a) a marriageable maiden 1b) a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man 1c) one's marriageable daughter 2) a man who has abstained from all uncleanness and whoredom attendant on idolatry, and so has kept his chastity 2a) one who has never had intercourse with women

That particular form of the word used in Rev. 14:4 is used three other times in the New Testament and is referring to maidens, which seems odd.

So you have merely chosen the definition that you find to be most convenient. But in Revelation 14:4 we find the Greek word "γυναικων", "women" in English. There is no mention of prostitutes, temples, pagans or anything to suggest that your interpretation is more justified than the interpretation that they were literally virgins who had never had sex with any woman.

This is one of these things in Revelation that is not to be taken in a strictly literal way. It tells a story but it uses comparisons with known concepts to make a point.

What is or is not to be taken literally regarding the Bible seems to be an entirely subjective matter dependent on the desires of the reader.

 

[Ethnikos]

So you have merely chosen the definition that you find to be most convenient. But in Revelation 14:4 we find the Greek word "γυναικων", "women" in English. There is no mention of prostitutes, temples, pagans or anything to suggest that your interpretation is more justified than the interpretation that they were literally virgins who had never had sex with any woman.

Right. I pick out the one that seems to go along with the general theme.
It is talking about world powers that shove a false religion down everyone's throat, that acknowledging will send you to Hell. On the other-hand, you have those who go to heaven, who did not defile themselves with the false religion.

What is or is not to be taken literally regarding the Bible seems to be an entirely subjective matter dependent on the desires of the reader.

I would invite you to write a commentary on the Book of Revelation, based on a more rational approach. I would be happy to read it when you have it complete. I am working on my own version of a commentary.

 

[MIKILLINI]

So if I go to England on vacation I am not allowed to where my Christian t-shirts (one says rapture ready" or christian jewelry designs? Are you allowed to go to church or carry a Bible??

You'd believe anything that someone mentions as anti-christian without checking sources or even look for facts to see whether or not it's true.
How about asking someone who lives in the UK? Read Agatha's post #847 to find out.

This is typical of end day believers like you Kathy; All you do is hear it once and then believe it. How gullible can one be?

 

[Nogbad]

That was one of the things easier to check.
The other stuff is a little more time consuming to get a real handle on.
The thing is I have been listening to conspiracy radio since 1975, when I was listening to Hilly Rose.
When JFK jr's plane went down, he was sub-ing for Art Bell who was vacationing in his RV. Rose started taking calls from fishermen who said they saw four planes converge on John's plane and force it down.
All of a sudden, Art was on the radio and we never heard from old Hilly again on Coast to Coast.(just an example of what Rose would allow, that even Art Bell would never allow)
So, I have a pretty big backlog in my mind of every kind of conspiracy and when I listened to Deagle, it resonated with me. He is real big on stuff like the ashes of the red heifer were hidden in caves of Qumran and the Israelis have them and the temple is being rebuilt. I am interested in that sort of thing but it is almost useless listening to it because I do not see any hard evidence.
I was listening to the pod-cast of when he says, "Wear a cross in the UK and get fined, or worse". He was supposed to cut over to a radio broadcaster in the UK, and mysteriously it cuts over to the earlier guest. Hmm. something odd here. Some sort of manipulation with the files?

Bizarre thing is that I was walking up Sauchiehall Street in Glasgow not so long ago and there were a couple of young Merkins, one standing on a box waving his Bible about and giving it John 3:16 for all he was worth. We poor natives hurried by lest he try to engage us in conversation but no one was arresting him. We have Mormons knocking at the door, Jovial Witnesses likewise. (everybody switching the lights off and pretending to be out) I can't understand why he would say such a thing.

 

[kurious_kathy]

You'd believe anything that someone mentions as anti-christian without checking sources or even look for facts to see whether or not it's true.
How about asking someone who lives in the UK? Read Agatha's post #847 to find out.

This is typical of end day believers like you Kathy; All you do is hear it once and then believe it. How gullible can one be?

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it? I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support. I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

Which is which? And would it not be a good idea to weed out the most obvious bunk?

 

[slingblade]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it?

Did he really mean what, exactly?

I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim

And we accept your opinion on that with the same gravitas we bestow on all your other opinions.

but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support.

POLITICIAN, kathy, hello? Hello?

I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

If it's hidden, then how do you know about it?

Are you a hidden Muslim, too?

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

 

[Mashuna]

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle.

You mean, that stuff you claimed was happening in the UK, and were subsequently shown to be wrong about?

I know you're good at this whole 'faith in the face of contradictory evidence' thing, but I didn't realise that you applied it across your whole life.

 

[Wally]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it? I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support. I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

Come on, admit it, you're Sarah Palin aren't you.

 

[joobz]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it?

WHen he said he was a christian? What are you going on about???

I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support.

I know you're not kidding. But that doesn't make the statement any less stupid.

I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

Certainly the push to theocracy is a major concern for any nation. Religious fundemendalism uses power to limit liberty and freedom. Right now, the US is much more threatened by christian fundies than Muslim fundies. but, we must protect ourselves against both.

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

I do not beleive you really know anything about current world events. Explain "what is going on" in England with evidence. You have a habit of making claims that are false.

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

again, I know you believe it. But that doesn't make the statement any less stupid.

 

[Flo]

Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

Reminds me of

A gangster, a truly horrible man, gets killed in a fight. He arrives at the Pearly Gates, the angel on duty looks at his records and tells him "OK, you're robbed, killed, sold drugs, etc., you're going to hell without a doubt. However, it says here that you never robbed poor helpless people, you gave to charity for your victim's orphans, you were good to animals, so you deserve a little favor. You can choose to go either to the German or French hell".

So the gangster asks about the German hell and is told that you spend all your time in a vat full of ****, and get beaten with a wooden stick every evening. So he enquires about the French hell, and is told that it's the same.

Of course, he complains about the actual lack of a real choice, and the angel tells him: "if I were you, I'd pick the French hell. You know the French, one day they will have lost the stick, the next day they will forget to deliver the ****, and the third day they will be on strike...".

 

[Foster Zygote]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it?

Did he really mean what? Did you listen to the speech? Can you tell us what part of the speech specifically concerns you?

I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support.

What does he have to say to gain your support? Does he have to call for a new Crusade to "exterminate the infidels"? Does he have to pass "anti-infidel" laws to prohibit the practice of Islam and all other non evangelical Christian practices? Does he have to call for legislation to round up and detain all Muslims in the United States in case some of them might be religious militants?

I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

If you mean that most Muslims probably imagine a perfect world as one in which everyone is Muslim then I fail to see how that is supposed to be "hidden". And how is it any different from the fact that most Christians imagine a perfect world as one in which everyone converts to Christianity?

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle.

Kathy, please give some indication that you have read other posts in this thread and are actually aware that the claims passed on by Ethnikos regarding the prohibitions on personal displays of religion in Britain are complete and utter crap.

Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

Actually, I'd like to go to the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

So, Isn't all this, in your mind, a part of God's great plan? Why are you so concerned with the "hidden agenda" of the Muslim people if you think that this has all been preordained by God according to his perfect plan?

 

[Ladewig]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it? I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support. I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

What a strange way to try to convert people to Christianity. Virtually every post you have made focuses on how frightened we should be. Be afraid because Obama is a Muslim. Be afraid because Obama may be the anti-Christ. Be afraid because the Rapture is minutes away. Be afraid because because hell is so awful. Be afraid because God will send natural disasters (hurricanes and wildfires) to punish America for tolerating homosexuality. Be afraid because the tiniest of sins will send you to hell forever.

You don't have to live that way KK. Stay and open your mind.

 

[Roadtoad]

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

I'll take smoking. If there's a Heaven, I want to be able to enjoy my Cohibas.

 

[Ashles]

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

Well the amount of hatred and fear you preach is not going to endear you to the Guy who makes that decision.
Wouldn't it be ironic if there is an afterlife and, due to how judgemental, fearmongering and divisive your views are (in contrast to, for example, the understanding and love the Bible is supposed to actually be encouraging), you actually end up in the... "smoking section"?

Maybe there are a lot of people who smugly believe themselves to be 'preaching the word of God' and destined for Heaven who are actually headed to a completely other place.

And maybe the last words they hear before the eternal fires of Hell sear their ears shut will be
"Boy did you guys miss my point..."