From Rapture Ready

[Nogbad]

Right now, you can not walk down the street wearing a visible cross on your neck, in England, because it is "hateful" to anyone who is not a Christian.

I can confirm that this is not the case. You can wear any religious symbol you like.

There are rules about wearing religious symbols to school; veils, crosses etc. Some businesses prefer those dealing with the public to not push their particular poison too. However, in your own time you can wear as many crosses as you like.

The UK is largely a secular place and most people are not that interested in having another person's religious beliefs thrust upon them. Wearing a rapture ready T-Shirt is not a bad idea though. It gives people fair warning not to mention religion.

 

[tsig]

Dr. Deagle is the prophet.
I do spend a lot of time on forums writing on Cristian subjects, though.
I normally do not get into the political aspects of it other than to say the worst thing is for the church to be given political power.
That is the Beast and all that.
I normally never get into the actual events that lead up to the end, at least the part that the evil powers do, other than to point out that they are evil.
The important thing is to understand what the gospel is, and that the Beast and Babylon is not going to give it to you. That is why you have to go back to people like Martin Luther and the idea of the priesthood of all believers.

So now we have prophets and priests.

What is the prophet's function?

If everyone is a priest doesn't that remove any meaning from the term?

 

[Foster Zygote]

There are a few definitions for the Greek word translated as virgin.
The number two definition has to do with becoming ceremonially defiled, as in engaging the temple whores of the pagans.

The only other translation of "παρθενοι" I've found is "olive". Could you please link or refer to a scholarly source that lists the other definitions?

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

It is allowed to go on to the point that God can judge them. It has to progress pretty far because it is the final judgment, with no do overs.

So, your good is will to allow evil continue so he can make so some mass judgment?

So, your god is capable, but unwilling. Ergo, the Christian god is evil.

Christianity is evil.

You, as a Christian, are evil.

I've got nothing else to say to you.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Nothing about temple prostitutes, either, though, so it doesn't sound like much fun.

Mmmmmmm.... Temple Prostitutes. THAT'S the sort religion this atheist can endorse.

 

[Roadtoad]

Dr. Deagle is the prophet.
I do spend a lot of time on forums writing on Cristian subjects, though.
I normally do not get into the political aspects of it other than to say the worst thing is for the church to be given political power.
That is the Beast and all that.
I normally never get into the actual events that lead up to the end, at least the part that the evil powers do, other than to point out that they are evil.
The important thing is to understand what the gospel is, and that the Beast and Babylon is not going to give it to you. That is why you have to go back to people like Martin Luther and the idea of the priesthood of all believers.

Dr. Deagle? As in the nutriquack? As in Mr.-Photographic-Memory-There-Isn't-A-Conspiracy-I-Haven't-Information-About? THAT Dr. Deagle?

Okay. That's it. You're whacked. Have a nice life.

 

[joobz]

Mmmmmmm.... Temple Prostitutes. THAT'S the sort religion this atheist can endorse.

I prefer Temple Free-spirits.
Prostitutes imply that
1.) You must pay
2.) they may/may not do it willingly.

Temply Free-spirit, on the other hand.
1.) Empowered woman, who does what she likes.
2.) No expectation of money exchanging hands.

 

[Lucian]

So if I go to England on vacation I am not allowed to where my Christian t-shirts (one says rapture ready" or christian jewelry designs? Are you allowed to go to church or carry a Bible??

It's absolutely true. The poor Archbishop of Canterbury can't poke his nose out of doors without being hauled off in cuffs. It's completely untrue that he has a cross on his website (http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/). Also, he's no longer allowed to enter Canterbury Cathedral, or, as I believe it is now called, Canterbury Mosque.

It's totally true--I heard it on a podcast.

 

[Ethnikos]

So now we have prophets and priests.
What is the prophet's function?
If everyone is a priest doesn't that remove any meaning from the term?

Everyone can be a prophet, at least for yourself.(with some qualifications)
You do not have to go to someone else to find out some sort of message from God about something personal.
There are prophets that have things to say, for example, to the country, as a whole. So, every once in a while,(not every day) on his show, Dr, Deagle will say something like, "in my capacity of prophet I have something to say about that." while discussing an important subject with a guest. It will be something that he feels people need to pay close attention to.
He may have a higher degree of responsibility to his listeners, because of the position he is in, so he uses it to keep people focused and not distracted by things that are not productive. It seems to me to be an expression of his concern for people, more than anything else.
As for the priest thing, if everyone being their own priest destroyed the normal meaning of the word, that may be a good thing. The version we have does not have any relevance with Christianity, as far as I can tell. It was something introduced after the fact and was never introduced by Jesus or the Apostles. We have a responsibility to insure proper observance of religious things in our own family and for ourselves. Above us, we have Jesus, who is our high priest standing before God as our representative. We do not need someone standing before us representing God.

 

[Ethnikos]

The only other translation of "παρθενοι" I've found is "olive". Could you please link or refer to a scholarly source that lists the other definitions?

This is the one I was looking at, from NetBible:

parthenos <3933>1) a virgin 1a) a marriageable maiden 1b) a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man 1c) one's marriageable daughter 2) a man who has abstained from all uncleanness and whoredom attendant on idolatry, and so has kept his chastity 2a) one who has never had intercourse with women

That particular form of the word used in Rev. 14:4 is used three other times in the New Testament and is referring to maidens, which seems odd.
From the John Gill commentary:

. . .her harlots, she is the mother of; while the kings and inhabitants of the earth were drunk with the wine of their fornication, or committed idolatry with them, which is spiritual fornication, and is here meant by being defiled with them, these were free from such pollutions, or idolatrous practices:

This is one of these things in Revelation that is not to be taken in a strictly literal way. It tells a story but it uses comparisons with known concepts to make a point.

 

[Ethnikos]

I can confirm that this is not the case. You can wear any religious symbol you like.

There are rules about wearing religious symbols to school; veils, crosses etc. Some businesses prefer those dealing with the public to not push their particular poison too. However, in your own time you can wear as many crosses as you like.

The UK is largely a secular place and most people are not that interested in having another person's religious beliefs thrust upon them. Wearing a rapture ready T-Shirt is not a bad idea though. It gives people fair warning not to mention religion.

From doing a few google searches, it seems that there are restrictions, mainly to do with flags and banners and t-shirts. It has to do with ordinances about particular things like taxi cabs that are highly regulated. Certain public buildings that may or may not fly a St, George's flag. Schools that are prone to any sort of arbitrary rules. Banners displayed at soccer matches. Workers in sensitive safety situations. Parades that may or not get a permit to go on, if they are flying the English flag. Naval vessels that are in foreign waters owned by Muslim countries. Flags being flown in government housing. I did not find evidence of people just walking along minding their own business being detained.
I went back and found where these talk show host said it on the radio, in the archives. So Jones and Deagle need to back up their claims with some specifics. Not the first time I got burned by Mr. Jones.

 

[Ethnikos]

All so-called god made things.

Paul



As Ethnikos sits in front of his computer screen, well thats OK, his is doing so-called god's work.

I was being sarcastic.
I was pointing out all the wonderful things that are approved for us that are deadly poisons, some faster acting than others. Except for the TV, that is what you watch to make you think everything is OK.
Zyprexa is a fun one that a friend of mine is on that can cause you to murder people, like Harris and Klebold. They did the testing for it on Baffin Island with Eskimos so they could hide the fact that they were off-ing themselves or their family members.

 

[slingblade]

It's known that the Muslims have succeeded in converting many old churches to mosques already and they won't stop until they try to take over the whole USA which unfortunately I myself see Obama helping them.

Yes. Most of the U.S. says it believes in a god or higher being, and most of them say it's the Christian god. That means many of your buddies in the Jesus Club voted for Obama.

Oh my gosh, you didn't know that? You didn't know that millions of christians voted for the man? Oh wow. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to break it to you like that.

Why can't people stop this?

Same reason we can't stop you, honey. It's called freedom. And like it or not, we all get some. I don't like you, you don't like them, and they don't like either one of us, but we all have to live together. Isn't freedom wonderful?

The fairness act is not fair at all as it serves the Muslim nations to try to shut up all Christians

Please tell me how they're doing that, please! I need to know how!

which just isn't fair.

No? It's not fair that someone else gets to have the same religious freedoms you have? That's not fair? Okay, we can take away his religious freedom...but we're going to have to take yours, too. But that's okay with you, right? You won't mind giving up your freedom to worship and to speak and to come here and preach to the atheists, will you Kathy, as long as we take the evil Muslim's religious freedom away too, right?

We have just as much right to stand up for our faith as anyone does.

So do they, honey. You do realize that by calling for someone to "stop the muslims," you are doing exactly the same thing to them that you're ranting about them doing to you, right? You do understand that much, don't you Kathy? Kathy?

 

[Nogbad]

From doing a few google searches, it seems that there are restrictions, mainly to do with flags and banners and t-shirts. It has to do with ordinances about particular things like taxi cabs that are highly regulated. Certain public buildings that may or may not fly a St, George's flag. Schools that are prone to any sort of arbitrary rules. Banners displayed at soccer matches. Workers in sensitive safety situations. Parades that may or not get a permit to go on, if they are flying the English flag. Naval vessels that are in foreign waters owned by Muslim countries. Flags being flown in government housing. I did not find evidence of people just walking along minding their own business being detained.
I went back and found where these talk show host said it on the radio, in the archives. So Jones and Deagle need to back up their claims with some specifics. Not the first time I got burned by Mr. Jones.

Mr Jones (I have that song in my head now) is a bit strange.

You are right about there being an issue with the English flag as it was co-opted by the neo-Nazis and developed some unpleasant nuances. This has diminished somewhat in recent years as ordinary people (especially sports fans) have reclaimed it. In Scotland the national flag can be seen all over the place. We had a problem with sectarian issues with IRA and Red Hand of Ulster flags flown at football matches. It is a shame that things have to be banned but the accompanying violence was unacceptable. None of this has anything to do with Muslims though.

I am fairly sure one might run into trouble if one wore a T Shirt likely to cause offence. For example "Mohammed does it with Pigs" or "Jesus likes little Boys" or more likely in my neck of the woods "**** the Pope". If a complaint was received a police officer would most likely request the offending item covered. I don't think this happens very often.

What we have had is enthusiastic local officials banning silly things like Christmas tree lights (renamed winter festival lights etc) only for local Muslims to say "I wish people wouldn't do this, we don't mind Christmas and the lights look nice - and all that happens is we get the blame for something we never asked for". I think you have had similar silliness in the States.

 

[Paulhoff]

Except for the TV, that is what you watch to make you think everything is OK.

Not the shows I watch, Educational ones, but not religious dogma.

Paul

 

[Elizabeth I]

I went back and found where these talk show host said it on the radio, in the archives. So Jones and Deagle need to back up their claims with some specifics. Not the first time I got burned by Mr. Jones.

...and yet you still haven't learned to walk right by the other b.s.

 

[Roadtoad]

Not the shows I watch, Educational ones, but not religious dogma.

Paul

You and I know the religious dogma BS is just that. BS. It's too bad that Kathy and crew can't figure out that's what they're being fed, and it ain't even good enough for compost.

 

[GeeMack]

Why can't people stop this? The fairness act is not fair at all as it serves the Muslim nations to try to shut up all Christians which just isn't fair.

Uh, kurious_kathy, you seem to have misunderstood the situation. It's not just Muslims telling someone to shut up, and it's not all Christians they're saying it to. If you listen carefully, kathy, you'll notice there are people of every persuasion telling you to shut up. You might ask yourself why this would be. And let me give you a hint. It ain't religious persecution.

 

[Paulhoff]

Lots of good eduction out there, if you know where to look. But first, please get your head out.



Paul

 

[Ethnikos]

...and yet you still haven't learned to walk right by the other b.s.

That was one of the things easier to check.
The other stuff is a little more time consuming to get a real handle on.
The thing is I have been listening to conspiracy radio since 1975, when I was listening to Hilly Rose.
When JFK jr's plane went down, he was sub-ing for Art Bell who was vacationing in his RV. Rose started taking calls from fishermen who said they saw four planes converge on John's plane and force it down.
All of a sudden, Art was on the radio and we never heard from old Hilly again on Coast to Coast.(just an example of what Rose would allow, that even Art Bell would never allow)
So, I have a pretty big backlog in my mind of every kind of conspiracy and when I listened to Deagle, it resonated with me. He is real big on stuff like the ashes of the red heifer were hidden in caves of Qumran and the Israelis have them and the temple is being rebuilt. I am interested in that sort of thing but it is almost useless listening to it because I do not see any hard evidence.
I was listening to the pod-cast of when he says, "Wear a cross in the UK and get fined, or worse". He was supposed to cut over to a radio broadcaster in the UK, and mysteriously it cuts over to the earlier guest. Hmm. something odd here. Some sort of manipulation with the files?