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[Alareth]

rely to Alareth;

So, do you believe in a literal 144,000 that goes to heaven, and everyone else stays on earth?

I believe in none of it. I just find it funny that someone that claims to be a bible literalist has set their sights on something that doesn't appear there.

 

[Ladewig]

rely to The Man;
A scientific dictatorship. That is what they claim for themselves. They study history and see how the other dictatorships failed and they figure out workarounds so they will be successful. The "they" are the ones who, for whatever demonic inspired reason, want to destroy the earth, while they wait it out in their deep underground bunkers.

What evidence did you use to arrive at the conclusion that there is a scientific dictatorship trying to destroy the earth? Also, could you list the agencies or people who are willing participants in this conspiracy? I am also interested in knowing which agencies, political parties, or people are unwitting pawns of these dictatorial scientists.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So, do you believe in a literal 144,000 that goes to heaven, and everyone else stays on earth?

Do you believe that you will be among the 144,000?

 

[The Man]

rely to The Man;
A scientific dictatorship. That is what they claim for themselves. They study history and see how the other dictatorships failed and they figure out workarounds so they will be successful. The "they" are the ones who, for whatever demonic inspired reason, want to destroy the earth, while they wait it out in their deep underground bunkers.

Oh, ‘A scientific dictatorship’, you do know that destroying your subjects would be one of those historically evident failures of dictatorships that they should be working around? Perhaps it was your god, having once flooded the Earth, who provided ‘them’ that “inspired reason”? Funny it doesn’t seem to have worked out well for him, so I would have to chalk that up as another one of those failed dictatorships to be worked around.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Soon enough, Satan's plan will work out. You are not going to be able to go along with your happy life, enjoying the goodness all around you, once the bombs go off.

So much for your omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity if one of his sub-deities can work around him:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

--Epicurus

 

[Sun Countess]

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. God is so busy keeping a handful of men's hands off the buttons of nuclear bombs that he's completely forgotten about all the innocent chidren who die of hunger, disease, and violence every day. Is that about right?

 

[Ethnikos]

What evidence did you use to arrive at the conclusion that there is a scientific dictatorship trying to destroy the earth? Also, could you list the agencies or people who are willing participants in this conspiracy? I am also interested in knowing which agencies, political parties, or people are unwitting pawns of these dictatorial scientists.

I did not make it up, that is what I was saying, it comes from their own writings. It is all the agencies. Most people involved do not realize what they are doing because they do not see the big picture because of the compartmentalization.
An example is one I just heard. An electrical engineer quit his job because he realized that everything that was available for him to work on was either to spy on people or ingenious ways to kill people.
The people who come up with solutions may not even realize that the problem their think-tank is working on is to be used to enslave people.
Spy networks are something long in existence and was started for maintaining the power of the Church. They became infiltrated by progressively more evil people who were willing to carry out these missions. When the CIA was created, guess who they recruited to be the founding members. They were already doing these sorts of nefarious activities but have no elegance to the United States.

 

[Ethnikos]

Do you believe that you will be among the 144,000?

That's a symbolic number and represents the twelve territories of Ancient Israel. It assures us that, even if the world blows up, we still have the inheritance that was promised by God.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That's a symbolic number and represents the twelve territories of Ancient Israel. It assures us that, even if the world blows up, we still have the inheritance that was promised by God.

So you're a virgin then?

 

[Ethnikos]

Oh, ‘A scientific dictatorship’, you do know that destroying your subjects would be one of those historically evident failures of dictatorships that they should be working around? Perhaps it was your god, having once flooded the Earth, who provided ‘them’ that “inspired reason”? Funny it doesn’t seem to have worked out well for him, so I would have to chalk that up as another one of those failed dictatorships to be worked around.

The difference between "they" and God, is that God has no fear, just regret.
These "scientists" want to create their own version of humanity but if they just ask for volunteers to die, they might get some resistance. They are afraid of that and create false enemies in every country. If you lived in another country, your enemy most likely will be, guess who, us. If everyone pulls the trigger at one time, people will believe the propaganda, and assume it was the fault of the "enemy". That way they can look good and will not be attacked for being the real cause of the war.

 

[Ethnikos]

So you're a virgin then?

There are a few definitions for the Greek word translated as virgin.
The number two definition has to do with becoming ceremonially defiled, as in engaging the temple whores of the pagans.

 

[Ethnikos]

So much for your omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity if one of his sub-deities can work around him:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

--Epicurus

It is allowed to go on to the point that God can judge them. It has to progress pretty far because it is the final judgment, with no do overs.
Let's say you are a persecuted Christian and you are faced with either renouncing your religion or die, and are resolute in your decision, then your judgment is good as done and no need to continue to the bitter end.
On the other hand you are a persecutor and you are resolute in your decision to take it to its conclusion, no need to carry on, because you are already judged.
Once everyone is judged, the world ceases to be, any longer. That is why there has to be a rapture, at some point.

 

[Ethnikos]

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. God is so busy keeping a handful of men's hands off the buttons of nuclear bombs that he's completely forgotten about all the innocent chidren who die of hunger, disease, and violence every day. Is that about right?

Restraint is removed, at some point. The angels do the actual restraining. God only decides when to make it end. So God is not distracted.
God has a provision for those who died in the famine and they will live again in the future, but the time for the end of this old world is critical and is not something arbitrary.

 

[Ethnikos]

I believe in none of it. I just find it funny that someone that claims to be a bible literalist has set their sights on something that doesn't appear there.

I do not get overly concerned about the actual mechanics of it because I do not expect to be someone looking up and waiting for Jesus to show up. I do not go with the idea that God pulls all the good people off, before anything bad happens.
"If God did not cut the time short. there would be no one left", to paraphrase. what this means to me is we are to experience bad things to a pretty severe degree, and it also means someone will be left. Somehow God calls a halt to all activity. A rapture will be a good enough description as any, to explain what happens next. The main thing is we end up with a planet with not a single person left alive. We also end up with a large group of people who survived. They are not on the earth, but someplace else.

 

[The Man]

The difference between "they" and God, is that God has no fear, just regret.

So both use the same methods and achieve the same results, but one is not afraid although he is sorry?

These "scientists" want to create their own version of humanity but if they just ask for volunteers to die, they might get some resistance.

Why is killing people such an integral part for 'them' (or why would 'they' wnat) to “create their own version of humanity”? Was that also not gods reason in flooding the world, that he was displeased with the current “version of humanity”. When it comes to killing people to start a new world and new “version of humanity”, your god has supposedly already done it and it has not proven effective (otherwise there would be no 'they').

They are afraid of that and create false enemies in every country. If you lived in another country, you enemy most likely will be, guess who, us. If everyone pulls the trigger at one time, people will believe the propaganda, and assume it was the fault of the "enemy". That way they can look good and will not be attacked for being the real cause of the war.

So they are afraid “they might get some resistance” and they “create false enemies in every country” so those countries resist each other and kill each other thus accomplishing what you claim is their goal by causing what you claim they are afraid of? Do you even listen to yourself?

 

[Ethnikos]

Describing insanity is rather useless because if it was something rational, it would not be insanity.
Yes, they want everyone not under their direct control dead. A good way to do it is to poison the earth or kill people enough with highly explosive devices.
They want to be gods, and they want a nice depopulated earth to do it in.
Let's say you have a nice deep shelter where you do not have to worry about the actual explosions. You still have to live there long enough for things to cool down.
All the poor saps alive on the surface might not have a long life expectancy but they could summon up the energy to take revenge on the people who did this to them, if they were sure who it was, exactly.
Now they have these nice air vents and water supplies that work their way down to the shelter. If you thought one of these bad people were down there, you would figure out a way to disrupt it or poison it or whatever just as long as you could kill the bastards.
So, they work behind the scenes to manipulate events for maximum damage. They fund terrorists to cause strife among nations and do it in a way that they will eventually trace it back to us. If they do not have good enough weapons to attack us, they will provide them with the necessary ones.

 

[joobz]

Allright, now. fess up.
Who here had a huge heaping bowl full of crazypuffs for breakfast this morning?

 

[The Man]

Describing insanity is rather useless because if it was something rational, it would not be insanity.
Yes, they want everyone not under their direct control dead. A good way to do it is to poison the earth or kill people enough with highly explosive devices.

How about just flooding the Earth, it is claimed to have been done before for precisely the same reason? Would this not make god insane by that standard?

They want to be gods, and they want a nice depopulated earth to do it in.

Again it has been claimed to have been tried before by another supposed god.

Let's say you have a nice deep shelter where you do not have to worry about the actual explosions. You still have to live there long enough for things to cool down.
All the poor saps alive on the surface might not have a long life expectancy but they could summon up the energy to take revenge on the people who did this to them, if they were sure who it was, exactly.
Now they have these nice air vents and water supplies that work their way down to the shelter. If you thought one of these bad people were down there, you would figure out a way to disrupt it or poison it or whatever just as long as you could kill the bastards.
So, they work behind the scenes to manipulate events for maximum damage. They fund terrorists to cause strife among nations and do it in a way that they will eventually trace it back to us. If they do not have good enough weapons to attack us, they will provide them with the necessary ones.

You certainly seem to go out of your way to invent these scenarios “Describing insanity” of ‘these’ people that seem not so insane when ‘they’ are protecting ‘themselves‘? I ask again, do you listen to yourself.

 

[slingblade]

Once again, we see how fear dominates.

Nothing's going to save us from ourselves. We are all we have, and we'll sink or swim together or separately. Being afraid of each other is what we do. Fear and the urge to reproduce are what have led us to produce everything we have.

There is no loving superfather or supermother in the nether who will either rescue us, or destroy us. But the idea of such a being, the idea alone, has divided and torn us for centuries. It's our idea, we made it up, and we enforce it. But the fact remains, it is we who do it all.

If more people would get their heads out of the clouds, or out of their own behinds, and look at what needs doing right here, right now, it would help a lot of folks who desperately need help. But that won't happen, because the ones who need to do the helping are just too damned scared.

It's such a shame.

 

[Ladewig]

I did not make it up,

I never meant to imply that you did.

that is what I was saying, it comes from their own writings.

Can you be more specific?

An example is one I just heard. An electrical engineer quit his job because he realized that everything that was available for him to work on was either to spy on people or ingenious ways to kill people.

This part is kind of hard for me to believe. If the conspiracy is so large already that these people have access to the entire world's stock of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons, and have access to every delivery system ever devised, why would they have some mid- to entry-level electrical engineer work on new ways to kill people. It doesn't make sense. Isn't the more logical explanation that the electric engineer either made up the story, or misunderstood his options, or was suffering from mental illness?