From Rapture Ready

[Monster Machine]

I don't consider those posters on RR to be true Christians.

Yikes! A little judgemental, aren't we? Isn't the party line supposed to only the Lord knows their hearts?

I will preface my comment with the fact that I am a Christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

I would like to give you a quote from a fundamentalist (such as yourself) on a christian message board I used to participate in when I was deluded. This gem came up when discussing Noah and the Flood:

For me, I guess I have to continue with the line of thinking that this isn't an accurate historical event for a moment. OK, people don't accept this as truth. They don't want to accept the Garden Of Eden and the literal six days of Creation, either. So, if you cannot trust God's word, then why accept Jesus as a correct historical event? When you start cherry picking what you want to accept, then the whole book begins to fall apart.

With the Noah's ark story, I tend to have to agree that either miracles were majorly involved to keep everyone alive, or Noah had to shovel a lot of elephant poop.

How tenacious is the belief of the fundie.

God created existence knowing that 1/3 of the Angels would fall, that Satan would tempt Eve and that humanity would fall. He chose to make that sin apply to all future generations of human beings rather than just Adam and Eve.

This is why I have no respect for god or the people who claim to love him. Allow me to raise this example:

I have a needle with AIDS infected blood. I know that if I shoot this into my child's veins, he will die a slow and painful death. I tell my 4 year old son, who doesn't know any better, not to touch it. I put it next to his Juice Box every morning.

Do I need to tell you what he will end up doing? Does this story not sound like the Garden of Eden?

Do you know how angry it makes me when fundies insist that god knew all of this AND WENT AHEAD WITH HIS CREATION ANYWAY? And they actually hold god in high regard knowing this?

From our human perspective that seems rather unfair, but then our morals have been "corrupted by sin and Satan".

Please, stop making excuses for your god.

If that is the case and we are corrupted and do not have all the information we cannot say that God is wrong and be correct. Even if we say God is wrong how come God created us to be able to say that he is wrong in the first place?

Why would he allow humans to come up with their own moral standards that are altered from those of God, that we would see his actions as unfair.

What a load of crap. Are you implying that our sense of justice (don't kill random people, for example) might not be the right standard to have?

We honestly don't have enough information to decide that God is evil or wrong in his decisions. One day when we finally have all the information it is likely that we will look upon everything and say that it was the right decision and God was in the right.

Stop it. Please. If you don't have enough information, why do you have an opinion either way? You love god, no doubt. But why? You don't have enough information, yet you claim to love him.

I think there is enough evidence with the teachings of Jesus of forgiveness and giving along with his sacrifice on the cross to make an argument for a just and good God who is worthy of worship and love.

No, what you have is a guy who contradicted the god of the old testament. A very vengeful and jealous god...

If you believe the Bible then we are able to have a personal relationship with God, through Jesus, which means that we can get to know God and understand him better.

Once you do this that will open yourself to understand that he is all loving and merciful.

If you choose not to open yourself up to that experience then you will remain closed off and maintain your viewpoint.

So, if I believe, then everything that I find unjust about god would make sense and I would agree with the hell bound damnation of tribes in Brazil that are still secluded from the world at large because they never heard of Jesus?

Also, is there anything wrong with appeasing someone? We do this all the time with the relationship between parent and child, do we not? God is saying to trust him, that he is right, and we should do what he says because it is right.

How is the appeasement being done willingly when the terms of rejection are spelled out so clearly? Would you love me if I told you to do so while pointing a gun to your posterior? (I use posterior as it appears your head is firmly planted therein.)

It doesn't hurt that the reward for doing his will is eternal joy along with ruling the universe with God and being counted as his children rather than just creations.

I don't know, it's up to everyone to come to their own conclusions about God and spirituality, but I think people who discount the unseen are selling themselves short on understanding reality.

Sigh... and people who discount hard proven evidence are missing out on the reality they claim to have.

Monster

 

[The Man]

It doesn't hurt that the reward for doing his will is eternal joy along with ruling the universe with God and being counted as his children rather than just creations.

*Bolding added

There you go, Darth Vader only offered Luke the chance to rule the galaxy as father and son.

 

[kurious_kathy]

I will preface my comment with the fact that I am a Christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

God created existence knowing that 1/3 of the Angels would fall, that Satan would tempt Eve and that humanity would fall. He chose to make that sin apply to all future generations of human beings rather than just Adam and Eve.

From our human perspective that seems rather unfair, but then our morals have been "corrupted by sin and Satan". If that is the case and we are corrupted and do not have all the information we cannot say that God is wrong and be correct. Even if we say God is wrong how come God created us to be able to say that he is wrong in the first place?

Why would he allow humans to come up with their own moral standards that are altered from those of God, that we would see his actions as unfair.

We honestly don't have enough information to decide that God is evil or wrong in his decisions. One day when we finally have all the information it is likely that we will look upon everything and say that it was the right decision and God was in the right.

I agree we will all one day know God was right in everything he did. Lets face it no one likes the consequences we deal with in this fallen world because of sin. I myself am just very grateful that even though I have messed up plenty in my life I now know the Lord has shown his mercy to forgive all my sins. Yes in this life I still have some consequences from my sins, but my hope in him helps me get through it all.

So you said you take the Bible literally, does that mean you believe in the rapture of the church or not?

 

[kurious_kathy]

Yes, why would he bother to showboat and play the drama queen when he could have just forgiven mankind?

So your god is not only petty, vengeful and hateful but a masochist and drama queen as well.
Yes. In every way it is wrong. Your god wants slaves. I consider slavery wrong.
No.
"For you to believe, you must first believe." Sorry, I like to use my brain.
Does the parent threatening eternal torture and imprisonment to his children if they don't clean their room? No? Your god does.
So your god treats his "creations" as toys unless they play his sick game? Wow.
My conclusion is that it is a fantasy. My conclusion is that this fantasy's believers have a sick and evil morality. My conclusion is that this fantasy makes people stupid and harms society.

How in the heck does faith in the one true God cause people to be dumb or harm them in any way? You need to rethink this one buddy.

And everytime I see your posts it is obvious to me how you are at emnity with God just as scripture says all are until they receive Jesus. It is far better for all to be Gods friend than to stay his enemy which you are doing when you deny the truth. Jesus is the truth! He died so we can live and have peace with God, now why wouldn't everyone want this?

Jesus is coming again just as scripture tells us and even if you don't believe in the rapture of the church like I do, I would suggest you be ready for his return to earth as it could happen at anytime by the looks of the world and how evil and corrupt it has become.

 

[joobz]

It is far better for all to be Gods friend than to stay his enemy which you are doing when you deny the truth.

It's also far better to be the friend of the Mafia Don than it is to be his Enemy.

But that doesn't mean he's good, or you are good for following him.

 

[Madalch]

I would suggest you be ready for his return to earth as it could happen at anytime by the looks of the world and how evil and corrupt it has become.

The world is no more evil and corrupt than it was thirty years ago. Or three hundred years ago. Or thirty thousand years ago.

It only seems more evil and corrupt than it was when you were a child because you simply didn't notice the evil around you (being protected from such things by your parents, I'm sure), or you've forgotten. Unless you still live in a place where they practice ritual infanticide, human sacrifice, genocide, and all the other things that primitive human society reveled in.

 

[joobz]

The world is no more evil and corrupt than it was thirty years ago. Or three hundred years ago. Or thirty thousand years ago.

It only seems more evil and corrupt than it was when you were a child because you simply didn't notice the evil around you (being protected from such things by your parents, I'm sure), or you've forgotten. Unless you still live in a place where they practice ritual infanticide, human sacrifice, genocide, and all the other things that primitive human society reveled in.

Let's not forget that we do not permit slavery, like Jesus did in the bible.

 

[paximperium]

Let's not forget that we do not permit slavery, like Jesus did in the bible.

But it wasn't really slavery in the modern sense. They treated their slaves very well back then. Jesus supported Slave Worker's Rights.

 

[Ladewig]

And everytime I see your posts it is obvious to me how you are at emnity with God just as scripture says all are until they receive Jesus.

OK, I am stumped on this one. Show me the verse that says until we receive God, we are at enmity with God.

How in the heck does faith in the one true God cause people to be dumb or harm them in any way? You need to rethink this one buddy.

The original quote dealt with harming society, so I'll go with that.

Society is harmed . . .

- when homosexual teenagers kill themselves because of they
are afraid of their fundamentalist Christian parents.

- when adult homosexuals cannot enjoy the same rights and
privileges as straight people because of the bigotry that
fundamentalist Christianity fosters.

- when school boards and teachers have to waste their time battling
people who are afraid of science and want their own personal
religion introduced to science classes.

- when voters and elected officials say, "we don't have to worry
about protecting the environment for future generations, because
the rapture is going to come any day now."

- when qualified candidates who have attended a Christian church
their entire adult life are labeled Muslim because they don't agree
with Christian fundamentalists.

 

[slingblade]

How in the heck does faith in the one true God cause people to be dumb or harm them in any way? You need to rethink this one buddy.

It can cause a woman to stupidly spend 13 years praying that her abusive Christian spouse will stop cheating, stop drinking, stop drugging, and stop hitting her, because she firmly believes, with all her heart that:
god is real,
god cares about her,
god hears her prayers,
god will keep her safe.

It can cause Christians to blame the woman for being abused, by accusing her of not being an obedient Christian wife and so deserving her "discipline."

It can cause Christians to work to convince the woman it's all her fault she's being abused, or that nothing's actually happening to her and she's lying and making it all up. Even the bruises.

It can cause you to totally ignore this post, or to make excuses and apologetics for your belief.

 

[Elizabeth I]

How in the heck does faith in the one true God cause people to be dumb or harm them in any way?

Well, one could look at the egotism, ignorance and dishonesty of your posts and conclude that such beliefs conduce to selfishness, ignorance and dishonesty.

 

[supercorgi]

Jesus is coming again just as scripture tells us and even if you don't believe in the rapture of the church like I do, I would suggest you be ready for his return to earth as it could happen at anytime by the looks of the world and how evil and corrupt it has become.

The world is made up of evil and goodness. Personally, I believe there is more goodness than evil. There's beauty, family, friends, little children, puppies, kittens and more. Why do you just focus (and endlessly harp on) the evil of the world? It seems like your salivating over the evil because that means that Jesus is going to return and damn most of the population to hell. That's such a nice thing to anticipate. Kathy, by focusing on evil, and wishing hell on earth for most of the population, you are evil.

 

[Ethnikos]

. . .by focusing on evil, and wishing hell on earth for most of the population, you are evil.

Christians do not wish evil on anyone and would be quite happy for things to just continue on like Leave It To Beaver for hundreds of more years.
The fact that you imagine that good will alway prevail, suggests to me that you are not fully aware of the dark cloud coming over the world.
Things are going to be very bad, and very soon, not because the "good" people wish it on the bad people, but because it is the other way around.
Jesus raptures the church, not as a joke on the "bad" people but because if he did not, they would be killed one way or another.
The fact that we (the earth) have not experienced nuclear war is because God has restrained the hand reaching for the button. Soon enough, Satan's plan will work out. You are not going to be able to go along with your happy life, enjoying the goodness all around you, once the bombs go off.

 

[paximperium]

Jesus raptures the church, not as a joke on the "bad" people but because if he did not, they would be killed one way or another.

He's playing favorites. Good for him.

The fact that we (the earth) have not experienced nuclear war is because God has restrained the hand reaching for the button.

And that is the harm of religious belief. The belief man does not make its own decisions but some arbitrary tyrant does because he feels like it. In effect, it does nothing but steal credit from good things and causes people to rely on a fantasy to solve real problems.

Man will destroy or save itself because of its own decisions, not because of a fantasy supernatural sky daddy.

Soon enough, Satan's plan will work out. You are not going to be able to go along with your happy life, enjoying the goodness all around you, once the bombs go off.

Please go watch your Christian Snuff Porn in privacy. It is disgusting to do it in public.

 

[Ethnikos]

reply to paximperium

Man will destroy or save itself because of its own decisions, not because of a fantasy supernatural sky daddy.

"Man", man is going to save us? Which man, exactly? I don't think so.
That happened in the past, like the story of how memos went out to ignore Reagan if he orders to launch. They are smarter now and only allow generals who are totally subservient.

Please go watch your Christian Snuff Porn in privacy. It is disgusting to do it in public.

The word "bombs" scares you? No wonder you have no clue. How are you supposed to know what is happening in the world if looking at anything with the word bomb in it disrupts your delusional world you choose to live in.

 

[Alareth]

So you said you take the Bible literally, does that mean you believe in the rapture of the church or not?

The problem being that the is no Rapture in the Bible. It is a contrivance that arose primarily in the United States in the 1800's as a result of Dispensationalism and the writings of John Nelson Darby.

Dispensationalism is cherry picking the Bible to get a narrative you like.

 

[paximperium]

"Man", man is going to save us? Which man, exactly? I don't think so.
That happened in the past, like the story of how memos went out to ignore Reagan if he orders to launch. They are smarter now and only allow generals who are totally subservient.

Wow...talk about irrelevant nonsense.

The word "bombs" scares you? No wonder you have no clue. How are you supposed to know what is happening in the world if looking at anything with the word bomb in it disrupts your delusional world you choose to live in.

Who are you talking to? The voices in your head?

You do realize that your "response" has nothing to do with what I wrote down?

 

[Ethnikos]

rely to Alareth;

The problem being that the is no Rapture in the Bible.

So, do you believe in a literal 144,000 that goes to heaven, and everyone else stays on earth?

 

[The Man]

reply to paximperium

"Man", man is going to save us? Which man, exactly?

Someone called? I’m always glad to help save the day.

I don't think so.
That happened in the past, like the story of how memos went out to ignore Reagan if he orders to launch.

So you “don’t think so” because you claim “That happened in the past”?

They are smarter now and only allow generals who are totally subservient.

Subservient to whom? How do they make that determination of total subservience? How would that make them ‘smarter’?

The word "bombs" scares you? No wonder you have no clue. How are you supposed to know what is happening in the world if looking at anything with the word bomb in it disrupts your delusional world you choose to live in.

Most people I’ve seen here are not scared by words and that includes the word dog in reverse. How are you with that particular word (forward or reversed)?

 

[Ethnikos]

rely to The Man;
A scientific dictatorship. That is what they claim for themselves. They study history and see how the other dictatorships failed and they figure out workarounds so they will be successful. The "they" are the ones who, for whatever demonic inspired reason, want to destroy the earth, while they wait it out in their deep underground bunkers.