Merged Freeman on the Land in America/lawful rebellion/sovereign citizens

[Biscuit]

Another freeman bites the dust after setting up the private bank of denny ray hardin

 

[Robrob]

Another freeman bites the dust after setting up the private bank of denny ray hardin

Shouldn't it have been "The Private Bank of Denny of the Family Hardin?"

Anyone who invested in this guy's "financial institution" deserves what they got!

 

[Mulefa]

Has anyone heard of Curt Flowers? My not-yet-freeman on the land friend recommended him to me, since we've been debating about his attempts to get out of paying his student loans using FMOTL methods.

I watched about 15 minutes of a video of Mr. Flowers's. He's all over youtube. He seems pretty concerned with establishing his own credibility. Odd that his way of doing this are defining words correctly, so whatever he says after is probably true too! I mean, he knows what "fallacy" means, why would he lie about the rest of it?

 

[jargon buster]

Hes a mate of Ben Lowrey, enough said.
http://creditcarddebtsquad.com/curt...edit-cards-loans-executivetrusteetraining-com

 

[Mulefa]

I'm not really familiar with Ben Lowrey, though he sure seems like a con man.

 

[FreemanMenard]

He 'seems' like a conman. And that is sufficient here to label him as one. And of course it is proper and just and logical that all who associate with him, be found guilty by association, even though Ben's guilt has yet to be established.

 

[Mulefa]

I entirely admit I'm judging him with little evidence, but it's not like he, or you, has provided any evidence that any of this stuff works. Ever. The evidence I have seen shows that when tried, these ideas don't hold up in court. I have also seen how much you and Ben charge for your expertise (semantic philosophical arguments...again with no evidence). Shame on you.

 

[zooterkin]

He 'seems' like a conman. And that is sufficient here to label him as one. And of course it is proper and just and logical that all who associate with him, be found guilty by association, even though Ben's guilt has yet to be established.

No, you're quite right, they should not automatically be judged by the company they keep. Of course, if they hang out with people who are known to be conmen, and don't take any trouble to distance themselves from them, then they shouldn't be surprised if it happens. However, if they produce videos with 'advice' that's based on nonsense, like that credit video ("the signature is where money comes from"), then that is also going to count against them too, especially if they are seeking financial gain from it. It is also dangerous if they are giving advice that people will follow which will get those people into trouble if they follow it.

 

[Mulefa]

It is also dangerous if they are giving advice that people will follow which will get those people into trouble if they follow it.

Exactly. My friend is pursuing these ideas in order to get out of his student loans. He has already sent a document asking for proof that he owes them money. What he's looking for is accounting paperwork showing where the money he received for tuition came from. By his logic, they must show a loss in order for him to actually owe them money, since his signature on the promissory note (which they sent him in response to his demands) created the money in the first place. He's quite sure these ideas have merit and he will be successful. It's very frustrating.

 

[timhau]

Another freeman bites the dust after setting up the private bank of denny ray hardin

The Private Bank of Denny Ray Hardin, run by a former crack addict who looks like, well, a crack addict, sold $100 million worth of promissory notes said crackhead made on his own computer?

They say that there's a sucker born every minute, but I suspect the rate is higher.

 

[FreemanMenard]

I entirely admit I'm judging him with little evidence, but it's not like he, or you, has provided any evidence that any of this stuff works. Ever. The evidence I have seen shows that when tried, these ideas don't hold up in court. I have also seen how much you and Ben charge for your expertise (semantic philosophical arguments...again with no evidence). Shame on you.

You mean giving my stuff away completely freely, and accepting donations AFTER people already have it and who donate because they feel they have found value? Is that what you mean?

And do you work for free or do you get paid for your efforts? Just so we all know...

 

[FreemanMenard]

Exactly. My friend is pursuing these ideas in order to get out of his student loans. He has already sent a document asking for proof that he owes them money. What he's looking for is accounting paperwork showing where the money he received for tuition came from. By his logic, they must show a loss in order for him to actually owe them money, since his signature on the promissory note (which they sent him in response to his demands) created the money in the first place. He's quite sure these ideas have merit and he will be successful. It's very frustrating.

Well, considering how many have had success in discharging their student loan debts, and how many people have been magically forgiven their debts, and considering that there is no function of law that allows the government to arbitrarily forgive one persons debts and not do it for everyone, why is it so frustrating for you?

Are you aware that CANADA signed a Covenant admitting the people of Canada have a right to free post secondary education? Are you aware that 100's of millions of loans have been forgiven and discharged?

 

[Hans]

You mean giving my stuff away completely freely, and accepting donations AFTER people already have it and who donate because they feel they have found value? Is that what you mean?

And do you work for free or do you get paid for your efforts? Just so we all know...

They should pay you AFTER what you told them to do is demonstrated to work

oh...wait that wouldn't go well for you now would it? LOL

 

[FreemanMenard]

No, you're quite right, they should not automatically be judged by the company they keep. Of course, if they hang out with people who are known to be conmen, and don't take any trouble to distance themselves from them, then they shouldn't be surprised if it happens. However, if they produce videos with 'advice' that's based on nonsense, like that credit video ("the signature is where money comes from"), then that is also going to count against them too, especially if they are seeking financial gain from it. It is also dangerous if they are giving advice that people will follow which will get those people into trouble if they follow it.

Known to be conmen without any evidence that would stand up in court right? So how do you know who is and is not a conman if you do not demand evidence, but merely blindly accept the accusations of those with hidden agendas?

Have you personally seen any evidence that would stand up in court that I, or Ben is a conman, as is so often spouted on this forum?

Thought not. But that won't stop people here from claiming it is true, and spreading the lies will it?

 

[D'rok]

Well, considering how many have had success in discharging their student loan debts,

Evidence?

and how many people have been magically forgiven their debts,

Evidence?

and considering that there is no function of law that allows the government to arbitrarily forgive one persons debts and not do it for everyone, why is it so frustrating for you?

Evidence?

Are you aware that CANADA signed a Covenant admitting the people of Canada have a right to free post secondary education? Are you aware that 100's of millions of loans have been forgiven and discharged?

Evidence?

This isn't you again trying to take personal credit for the British Columbia government's student loan forgiveness program, is it?

 

[FreemanMenard]

They should pay you AFTER what you told them to do is demonstrated to work

oh...wait that wouldn't go well for you now would it? LOL

Who are you to tell them when they should pay? Or even if they should?

And so you know, my last donation was rather sizable, and was gifted to me because it did in fact work, and a mortgage worth a couple hundred $k was successfully discharged.

So where does that leave you now?

 

[D'rok]

Known to be conmen without any evidence that would stand up in court right? So how do you know who is and is not a conman if you do not demand evidence, but merely blindly accept the accusations of those with hidden agendas?

Have you personally seen any evidence that would stand up in court that I, or Ben is a conman, as is so often spouted on this forum?

Thought not. But that won't stop people here from claiming it is true, and spreading the lies will it?

You really make this too easy.

 

[Hans]

Have you personally seen any evidence that would stand up in court that I, or Ben is a conman, as is so often spouted on this forum?

Have you sold a product that doesn't work? Yes

CONMAN

 

[D'rok]

Who are you to tell them when they should pay? Or even if they should?

And so you know, my last donation was rather sizable, and was gifted to me because it did in fact work, and a mortgage worth a couple hundred $k was successfully discharged.

So where does that leave you now?

That leaves him without evidence.

 

[Hans]

Who are you to tell them when they should pay? Or even if they should?

And so you know, my last donation was rather sizable, and was gifted to me because it did in fact work, and a mortgage worth a couple hundred $k was successfully discharged.

So where does that leave you now?

Laughing at you lies - shows us the evidence that proves what you said - remember we know you're a liar.