Freedom to Fascism

[scooby]

Scooby, its been 6 years, time to put up or shut up.

Show me the proof about 9/11.

No hemming, no hawing, actual, unbiased truth.

No suppositions, no wild theories, no spin.

Show me what you have, honestly.

You don't have squat, just paranoic retellings of paranoic myths and half truths, extrapolated to a sensationalistic frenzy, and eaten up by maladjusted folk who desperately need to have a conspiracy and a fantasy, rather than accept any notion reality.

I-smell-fear.

Hypothetical scenario - suppose the US was really attacked on 911 by rogue elements of an illegitimate government which seized power in a non-violent coup 6 years ago, and not by muslim terrorists at all.

Suppose the american people wake up and realise this.

Suppose the tables are turned and the real perp's are brought to justice.

Suppose it transpires, that an integral part of this crime against humanity was an army of shills hired by PR companies working for the perps, who's job it was to silence all dissent and disrupt any rational discussion of the event in an effort to assist the perpetrators escape from justice in return for $$$$$.

How much effort would be made to identify and apprehend all these accessories to the horrific crime that occurred on that day, and those committed since?

I mean, can this be expressed mathematically?

Wouldn't it be some sort of function of 'pissed off' multiplied by 'all the time in the world'?

What should we call it boffins?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory'. . .

The "Conspiracy of 19 Hijackers" ended on 9/11. Your "Conspiracy of U.S. Involvement" essentially began on 9/11 and has to be maintained indefinitely.

This, at the very least, is logistically impossible.

 

[Dr. Lao]

Not fear, just sadness that pretend investigators like you exist, spouting paranoia and half truths and fallacies.

Thankfully, you all become more marginalized every day as kooks.

 

[gumboot]

Suppose it transpires, that an integral part of this crime against humanity was an army of shills hired by PR companies working for the perps, who's job it was to silence all dissent and disrupt any rational discussion of the event in an effort to assist the perpetrators escape from justice in return for $$$$$.

If I were you I would back away from this train of thought. You are coming very close to accusing many people here of being accessories to murder.

In case you haven't noticed it, the September 11 Attacks are not a joke. They are not an X-Box game. This is real life. How old are you? 14? 16? You're acting like a child. This is a place for adults. Come back when you grow up.

-Gumboot

 

[Totovader]

I don't have a political bias - I'm not even an american - so how neutral can you get?
In addition, the situation described in the film has existed for several generations - and through many different US administrations, so how a political bias can come into it, I don't know.

Now that didn't really take very long did it?

Your physical location or birth place has absolutely no bearing on whether you're neutral, open-minded, or rational.

To believe otherwise is similar to racism.

And here we aren't talking about "generations" or "the situation", we are talking about your political bias- an issue you've attempted to dodge by claiming you're neutral. Yet, "we all hate the taxman don't we", and then concluding- through a strawman- that people are "siding with the taxman" shows what lengths you will go to in order to avoid the debate itself.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Well, you didn't say that did you?
And now you've said this it only gets worse, as any normal person's [fixed that for you - you're welcome] reaction, when they hear a huge explosion, is to think ... 'bomb'.

Only afterwards, do alternative explanations overcome that inherent knee-jerk understanding we all carry.

I'm about as normal as they come, I've heard several loud, unexplained-at-the-time noises in my life, and my reaction was not, "Bomb," but, "What the h*ll was that?" If I were near ground zero on 9/11 and heard an "explosion," my explanation to myself would probably be (1) gas pocket; (2) electrical transformer; (3) jet fuel igniting; (4) crashing metal and masonry.

In the bomb context, I work at my city's central library. We spent a good deal of 1999 evacuating our building due to bomb threats, fire threats, non-specific threats, etc., tied into the Y2K phenomenon. In December 1999, we emptied the building yet again because of an unattended package in one of the restrooms that had been there for several hours. The police brought in a bomb-sniffing dog, which hit on the package. OMG! Bomb! The bomb squad came, the firefighters came, the EMS came, ALL the reporters came. Well, of course, what else COULD it be but a bomb?

Two hours later, when the package was finally opened, it was determined to contain...[wait for it]...Christmas cookies! That's right, someone had forgotten a box of Christmas cookies and the dog had reacted to the aroma. (It was later explained apologetically by his handler that he was "a very young dog.")

My point is this: here was a circumstance where it was very reasonable to conclude, after careful research and consideration, that there might be a bomb. All appropriate precautions were taken, and it turned out NOT to be a bomb. You might remember this ridiculous but true situation next time you posit, "X, Y, Z - OMG, it must have been a [bomb, controlled demolition, arson fire, whatEVER]," and take into account that there may very easily be an alternate and even more simple, obvious explanation.

Such as that a BIG airplane flew into a building and knocked it down.

 

[scooby]

If I were you I would back away from this train of thought. You are coming very close to accusing many people here of being accessories to murder.

If the cap fits buddy.

 

[kookbreaker]

If the cap fits buddy.

Reported.

 

[scooby]

I'm about as normal as they come, I've heard several loud, unexplained-at-the-time noises in my life, and my reaction was not, "Bomb," but, "What the h*ll was that?"

Well you're not as normal as those firefighters - explosion was their initial reaction - after hearing a loud explosion.

We can play around like this for hours if you like, it's not going to change anything. 16% is an old joke now.

 

[WildCat]

Well you're not as normal as those firefighters - explosion was their initial reaction - after hearing a loud explosion.

We can play around like this for hours if you like, it's not going to change anything. 16% is an old joke now.

Exactly. It wasn't "bomb".

It's always nice when you debunk yourself.

 

[scooby]

Reported.

Oh really?

I can't wait to see this.

 

[Darat]

Scooby - Your not-so-veiled accusations of Members here being accessories to murders have been reported. With comments such as that you are breaching your Membership Agreement. Continued breaches of your Membership Agreement may result in further Moderator action including suspension and banning.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Z]

1) The sound in that video you posted is fake. It's been added in.

2) Ironically, it also doesn't at all sound like explosives used in controlled demolitions.

3) Even if the points above were wrong, it would not be possible to wire sufficient explosives into the towers and conceal the work from the occupants, unnoticed. There was only ever one report, unconfirmed, of a brief powerdown in one tower - insufficient time to even BEGIN planting explosives. And don't start on Chris' 'built to demolish' nonsense, since explosives have an insufficient shelf life.

Any mention of explosives in the towers should be automatically discounted as bunk - as should invisible missiles, space heat rays, and 'no plane' theories.

Fact: Airliners hit the Twin Towers; this caused their collapse.

Now, if you want to address who was BEHIND the hijackers, or who was BEHIND Osama bin Laden, or who put him into power originally... That's another matter. There might be something to discuss there.

But once we get to the morning of, there is only one scenario: hijackers stole some planes and wrecked several buildings, killing lots of people. And that's all there is to it!

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Now we all hate the taxman don't we?
Don't we?

Because I think people browsing this place might find it odd, a bunch of 'skeptics' eagerly attacking anyone who would want to remove such a tax.

So tone it down a bit, or you'll give the game away.

Personally, I don't hate taxes. I hate certain things they're spent on, such as the war machine, but that's a different matter. I can see how people who are uneducated about how government works would hate taxes, though.

 

[kookbreaker]

Oh really?

I can't wait to see this.

You were saying?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Well you're not as normal as those firefighters - explosion was their initial reaction - after hearing a loud explosion.

ROFL!

Exactly. It wasn't "bomb".

It's always nice when you debunk yourself.

Thanks, WildCat.

 

[fuelair]

Well maybe not the third - thats something out of any single persons hands.
Up to the american people now.
I'm confident.
They have a history of not liking getting ***ed over.

I'm sorry, but this is just total silliness - and if the American people do fall for this load of steaming S888 you all have made up completely from nothing they will get what they deserve - being covered in S888. But I have more faith in us than your gang of lying cowards seems to.

 

[Dr. Lao]

If the cap fits buddy.

Thanks for pointing out what I always say, when a CT gets confronted and has lost, they just accuse the other of being part of the conspiracy.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Yup, me me me.

And 2 years before any physics professors or theology professors finally got the balls to say something about it. ahhh ... (cigar), don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

If it wasn't for us pesky kids, posting on the web - they would have gotten away with it.

So you've ended the debate stage, confident that you've established that the official story is indefensible. Excellent--good for you! So...what's the next stage?

Well maybe not the third - thats something out of any single persons hands.
Up to the american people now.
I'm confident.
They have a history of not liking getting ***ed over.

They also have a history of not liking to be taken for a bunch of suckers:

 

[fuelair]

Thanks for pointing out what I always say, when a CT gets confronted and has lost, they just accuse the other of being part of the conspiracy.

Yes, I just love protecting Bush and his bBoys from the consequences of their involvement being such a good fundamentalist Xtian and Republican as everyone here knows me to be (oops, forgot, on CIA payroll too).