Freedom to Fascism

[scooby]

Look, you were asking what it could be, your tounge in cheek suggestion was a "car backfiring." I said "transformer exploding." I didn't see the police and Firemen in that video exactly running for their lives when they heard the sound. I didn't hear them screaming "Bomb." I saw them discuss the instability of the area, and finish their phone calls.

"Knee-jerk understanding"-- that pretty much sums up your position.

Ho ho, "discuss the instability of the area".

You saw one cower in fear and another tell them to get the hell out of there because "the city's exploding".

If you think it might be a transformer exploding, then include the phrase "might be", else people may get the wrong idea and think you know what you are talking about.

But thank you for conceding that you don't.

So we're left with - an unexplained explosion, one of many.

 

[scooby]

More spin, more trying to change the subject.

Its easy to be a Conspiracy Theorist, you never have to tell the truth, never have to prove anything, and when you get beaten in an argument, you just throw out more conspiracies, or accuse the other person of being part of the conspiracy.

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory', a theory, that Osama Bin Laden, and 19 men in sandals, conspired to defeat the entire US air defences and owned US air space for an hour and a half, bringing down three buildings, with two planes.

It is the biggest crock of **** the world has ever heard.

 

[T.A.M.]

Conclusion?

I pretty much said that myself in the post you responded to.
You're a dumb bunch aren't you, it must be a thankless task flogging the dead horse of the official story, trying to get one more lap out of it, one more war.

Explosives, when they explode, always sound like an explosion.
That is why the sound of an explosion is a useful indicator of explosives.

Absent any other explanation, this is usually the logical first assumption to make - which is where we still are, 6 years after the fact.

Unless of course you've found that explanation of this explosion that you all seem so certain was a transformer?

Any luck yet?

I tell you what, go on, make one up, I won't even check.
I'll give you a freebie on this one, paint with as broad a brush as you like, go for it.

Scoobs;

An explosion is a quick, forceful release of energy. It can come from any number of sources, including explosives, but also including any pressurized container that is punctured or ruptured. It can also come from the destruction of electrical transformers. Those are facts, not up for debate.

Now that is the strict use of the word. You and I both know, most people in the world, when they hear a loud violent noise might be inclined to call it a "boom" or a "bang" or an...wait for it...an "explosion".

If I heard an explosion on my street, would my "first assumption" be explosives...not likely. I would think a gas tank in a car, or someones furnace, or the gas from someones stove "Exploded" or "combusted".

If I was in a skyscraper, that had just been hit by a jet airliner, and was now ON FIRE on multiple floors, I think I would be inclined not to think Explosives, when I hear loud noises, bangs, booms, or explosions, but rather, I would think something the building "broke" or "fell" or "exploded", but not neccesarily a bomb.

But thats little old, non-paranoid me.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

Ho ho, "discuss the instability of the area".

You saw one cower in fear and another tell them to get the hell out of there because "the city's exploding".

If you think it might be a transformer exploding, then include the phrase "might be", else people may get the wrong idea and think you know what you are talking about.

But thank you for conceding that you don't.

So we're left with - an unexplained explosion, one of many.

They want your caliber of expert talker over at LCF, you must join up. They need some stuff like yours over there too.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/

And they would need some more people to help the expert pilots at PFTF. Join soon. We need you over there too.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/

 

[Oliver]

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory', a theory, that Osama Bin Laden, and 19 men in sandals, conspired to defeat the entire US air defences and owned US air space for an hour and a half.

It is the biggest crock of **** the world has ever heard.

Do you know the definition of "Conspiracy Theorists"? It's pretty
interesting and also describes the psychological reasons to believe
in conspiracy theories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theorist

 

[scooby]

All anyone has to do is listen to David Ray Griffin and you see he has no facts. He can never, and will never tell you what happened on 9/11. Griffin is clueless, fact-less, and just talks and rants about everything but what happen on 9/11. He is an expert in nothing and after listening to him for hours he proves only that he can talk well about BS, and more BS.

He is pompous brainless twit, who will never be able to tell you what happen on 9/11 because he does not know. Funny he even tells you this, he is just stupid but still making money talking about lies and selling books based on lies.

I challenge you to find one fact Griffin has to support his worthless ideas on 9/11.

I can not believe I listened to his 9 myths on 9/11!!! WOW, what a dopey smooth talking liar.

He sells books on 9/11 to idiots who believe 9/11 was an inside job and everyone is covering up something. What he does not know, how he does not know, but he has tons of WHY. But I can not remember any of his why, it was so obtuse it was forgettable.

So what poor people have bought his book only to realize he was telling lies?

One of his favorite myth is that the terrorist on flight 77 could not have flown 77 into the Pentagon. He should of asked an expert, like a pilot. I am a pilot and with over 33 years of flying experience. I have flown supersonic jets, and heavy jets, 300,000 pound jets. I have talked to many flight instructors and 767/757 pilots. We all agree anyone could have flown the jet as done on 9/11. Anyone, as in a kid off the street with no flying experience. Why did Griffin fail to find the truth?

Griffin does not mention the terrorist all had FAA licenses and had studied the 767/757 aircraft! Griffin does not tell you the terrorist turned down to rent a Cessna by an instructor the same instructor said the terrorist would have been able to fly 77 into the Pentagon. Why does Griffin tell lies?

Scooby if you do not understand what I am saying I can help explain if you have questions about flying. Every single pilot and expert in the 9/11 truth movement is telling lies about the flying portion of 9/11. They are liars. Bring up one fact about flying on 9/11 that the truth movement has! They have none. Zip, Zero!

It boils done to this; David Ray Griffin is a liar because he leaves out the complete story. He does not understand NORAD, or even basic flying. The only fact I can think Griffin has is he sells books based on lies about 9/11.

You copied this junk from a dumb advertisement for Griffin's book of lies! What a goofball! No new stuff here, just the liar Griffin selling books and tell more lies for you not so intellectually sound truthers.

LOL, you're babbling.

What's the matter, not used to someone who knows the subject and isn't afraid of your 'twoofer' jibes?

And DRG is a liar now is he?
Hmmm.

 

[T.A.M.]

LOL, you're babbling.

What's the matter, not used to someone who knows the subject and isn't afraid of your 'twoofer' jibes?

And DRG is a liar now is he?
Hmmm.

No, that is the type of person we like to see more of around here, why, have you seen such a person posting here lately?

TAM

 

[beachnut]

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory', a theory, that Osama Bin Laden, and 19 men in sandals, conspired to defeat the entire US air defences and owned US air space for an hour and a half, bringing down three buildings, with two planes.

It is the biggest crock of **** the world has ever heard.

You head is full of the biggest lies ever from the truth movement.

No you are not even capable of understanding definitions. The 9/11 terrorist attack was a conspiracy by 19 terrorist.

A conspiracy theory is what the 9/11 truth movement is unble to find facts or evidence to support anything. What you have is what you said, your movement is a crock and you can not even post the simplest fact or piece of evidence to suport your junk ideas, or present the same to refute the 19 terrorist and what we all saw on 9/11.

Some people are not challenged like you and your truth movement and we can acutally use what you have wasted, your mind! Good luck finding a fact.

Just a simple list of facts. just one, you failed for 5 years to find a fact? What is wrong with your mind?

Since you have no facts it is easy to debunk you. Facts?

 

[Dr. Lao]

Scooby, its been 6 years, time to put up or shut up.

Show me the proof about 9/11.

No hemming, no hawing, actual, unbiased truth.

No suppositions, no wild theories, no spin.

Show me what you have, honestly.

You don't have squat, just paranoic retellings of paranoic myths and half truths, extrapolated to a sensationalistic frenzy, and eaten up by maladjusted folk who desperately need to have a conspiracy and a fantasy, rather than accept any notion reality.

 

[fuelair]

But my all time personal favourite, one that really captures the "Shock and Awe" of the event, is this one filmed during the south tower collapse...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/11/214131/southtower.trinity.avi

Did you know that by the way, that "Shock and Awe" wasn't what they did to Baghdad?

The real "Shock and Awe" was 911, and we were the targets.

It was a Psy-Op, a very good one too, but not good enough - bit too bold really. If only the buildings had collapsed straight away as the planes hit - who would have questioned it eh? And if only WTC7 had come down when it was supposed to instead of 5 hours after the dust cleared and 20 minutes late for its own funeral on the BBC.

If you actually believe this twaddle, I suggest you make several months worth of appointments with a good psychiatrist.

 

[fuelair]

Make, model, location and references please.

Large robot that can turn itself into other things. Speaks Japanese, I don't.

Really, seek help - you will feel a lot better. Honest.

 

[beachnut]

LOL, you're babbling.

What's the matter, not used to someone who knows the subject and isn't afraid of your 'twoofer' jibes?

And DRG is a liar now is he?
Hmmm.

The proof you and Griffin are liars is due to the simple reason you have no facts! Zip. You have failed to present a fact during mindless rant of woo.

Griffin thinks the Pentagon shoots down airplanes who fly over the Pentagon. How dumb are is this Griffin man of nutty ideas. There is an airport 1 mile from the Pentagon. A planes takes over 2 miles just to turn around. Think some dumb pilot could miss and fly over the Pentagon, how would you like to be destroyed cause your pilot is dumb? No the Pentagon does not shoot down airliners. Dumb Griffin, are his believers as dumb as him.

Bring on some facts; are you too challenged to find a fact? You seem quite challenged to even answer one question, why? .

Bring on some facts; are you too challenged to find a fact?

 

[scooby]

Do you know the definition of "Conspiracy Theorists"? It's pretty
interesting and also describes the psychological reasons to believe
in conspiracy theories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theorist

Does it also point out that the subject is common practice and at the heart of all detective work where a crime involves more than one person?

371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000371----000-.html

 

[Oliver]

Does it also point out that the subject is common practice and at the heart of all detective work where a crime involves more than one person?

371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000371----000-.html

Yes, it explains all your questions as long you understand
the scientific explanations of this article.

 

[Mince]

Bear in mind oh 'debunkers' that at the heart of "From Freedom to Fascism" is the issue of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank and the fact that there seems to be no law in the US that demands you pay tax on wages. "Show me the law", is the demand that these people are making - and no law can be shown.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26.html


It is not law merely because you, or others, choose not to recognize it as such. Wages are income, both logically and by legal definition.

Now we all hate the taxman don't we?
Don't we?

Because I think people browsing this place might find it odd, a bunch of 'skeptics' eagerly attacking anyone who would want to remove such a tax.

So tone it down a bit, or you'll give the game away.

I do not hate paying taxes. It is because I enjoy driving on road and highways. I also enjoy the protection law enforcement and the military provide, for example.

 

[fuelair]

Yes, it explains all your questions as long you understand
the scientific explanations of this article.

And that will not happen in the lifetime of any person I know.

 

[Dr. Lao]

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory', a theory, that Osama Bin Laden, and 19 men in sandals, conspired to defeat the entire US air defences and owned US air space for an hour and a half, bringing down three buildings, with two planes.

It is the biggest crock of **** the world has ever heard.

Great, show me your proof.

Your proof, don't ask me to disprove you, you have made the outrageous claim, back it up.

You won't, you can't, you can only point me to tons of silly and stupid CT crap, that is poorly sourced, poorly explained and full of crap.

You have proof? Prove it to me, then it must be so perfect that the media will take it. Oh, I know, the media is in on it too, that is why they laugh at CT's.

Never mind that CT's are pathetic losers that have no hard data, no real proof, no skills, just the same old wanking BS.

 

[gumboot]

But the official story is a 'conspiracy theory', a theory, that Osama Bin Laden, and 19 men in sandals, conspired to defeat the entire US air defences and owned US air space for an hour and a half, bringing down three buildings, with two planes.

It is the biggest crock of **** the world has ever heard.

I love it when CTers get put under stress and let their facade slip, revealing them for the bigots and racists they really are. These "men in sandals" defeated the Red Army and drove the United Nations out of Somalia. What makes you think they're incapable of snatching a couple of civil airliners filled with docile American civilians and exploiting a weakness in the dinosaur that was the US's strategic defense network?

By the way, Scooby, are you aware that the audio in the video you posted is fake?

-Gumboot

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Ahh the old '911 Denial' meme.
Trying to portray us as akin to 'Holocaust Deniers'.

You ARE kin. Conspiracy theories are all based on similar thought processes. It's just a different type of denial.

Yes you're going to need to criminalise it to stop it, but if you do that - you lose.

"Stupidity criminalized!"
There's a headline I'd love to see. I don't think you could stop people from being stupid, even if it were illegal.

 

[stateofgrace]

Conclusion?

I pretty much said that myself in the post you responded to.
You're a dumb bunch aren't you, it must be a thankless task flogging the dead horse of the official story, trying to get one more lap out of it, one more war.

Excuse me, who do you think you are?

Your nauseating summary of my beliefs is completely wrong. I do not support war, in fact if you really wish to know I actually have been on a few anti war demonstrations.

I am flogging nothing, I have highlighted the fact that just because people describe something as sounding like an explosion it does not mean it was caused by explosives. Of course you dismiss this because you have already determined that everything that sounded like an explosion was in fact caused by explosives. In you paranoid childish mind you have determined that nothing inside a burning building could possibly explode, you have determined that when somebody heard what sounded like an explosion it was in fact an explosion caused by explosives.
No other explanation for you, nothing else allowed. The most laughable part of it all is that you truly believe that lots and lots of explosives where pre planted inside the towers and those who did so were so stupid that they set them off hoping nobody would notice.

Your shallow excuse for your beliefs is laughable. It is little wonder you are not taken seriously. Your tactics are transparent. Simply dismiss and then demonise anybody that opposes you and imply they all support war. Why do you not to take it to your predetermined conclusion, that being that your opposition is actually blood thirty war mongers all hell bend on bringing death and destruction to the entire planet. That being that every single person who disagrees with your paranoid fantasies is in fact the real enemy and not the people who really did attack the US on 911. Hey while you are at it maybe you should also embrace Al Qaeda and tell everybody how they are really the good guys, just like yourself.

You are truly deluded.