Franko Memorial thread!

[wraith]

And where the hell have YOU been, son? Lot's of people would take your simultaneous disappearances to mean that you and Franko were the same person, but I don't buy that story. I think you were afraid to post without your Big Dog to protect you when you made ludicrous statements. Feel free to prove me wrong.

If it helps you to see it that way then go ahead

Ive been in a state of rest from this board...."recharging" if you will lol

Lay anything you want on me tough guy

 

[wraith]

He had better not be Franko that would rune a perfectly good thread.
Then again, it could be just free will.

haha

No we cant have the dire words spoken by the cult of the one true faith go unchallenged! Thats just not on!

 

[wraith]

Wait, if he hijacks threads again, he'll get banned this time!

"hijacks"?
hahaha

I think you mean that Frank exposes punks like yourself

 

[Tricky]

Ive been in a state of rest from this board...."recharging" if you will lol

Lay anything you want on me tough guy

Okay.

What is dreamworld matter. How is it different from regular matter?

 

[c4ts]

"hijacks"?
hahaha

I think you mean that Frank exposes punks like yourself

Originally posted by Hal Bidlack
-On Trolls and Trolling: In multiple conversations with Mr. Randi, Linda, Jeff, Hal, and Andrew, it was decided that trolls whose only purpose is to troll are counterproductive to a successful educational forum. It is the JREF’s desire that the forum exist as a venue for the sharing of ideas and concepts, not as caldron of incivility. We certainly recognize that the forum, in addition to being of educational value, it is also an online community that welcomes pure fun and entertainment as well. It is the stance of the JREF that trolling enhances neither. Therefore, trolling is not permitted. Trolling is a difficult concept to define, and therefore and only in the most egregious cases, will suspension or banning be considered as the sanction. Only forum administrators have the power to suspend or ban, and only after consultation with one another.

Just so you know, "exposing punks like ourselves" is counterproductive to the punk talk for which this board exists.

 

[wraith]

Okay.

What is dreamworld matter. How is it different from regular matter?

This "dreamworld" matter is matter.
Only that you see matter as this "hard stuff" while I see it as patterns of energy.

 

[wraith]

Just so you know, "exposing punks like ourselves" is counterproductive to the punk talk for which this board exists.

bah
cant take a little heat?

Ban me if you must....it just highlights my point.

But then again, from your point of view, it's completely justified...

how strange

 

[CWL]

This "dreamworld" matter is matter.
Only that you see matter as this "hard stuff" while I see it as patterns of energy.

Do you see Gravitons as "matter" or are they merely "patterns of energy"?

Do Gravitons differ from other "matter"?

If so, how?

 

[RonSceptic]

I think you mean that Frank exposes punks like yourself

Welcome back Mr Information Minister. Pleased to see you made it out of Baghdad. Hope those caves in Syria aren't too cold.

 

[Tricky]

This "dreamworld" matter is matter.
Only that you see matter as this "hard stuff" while I see it as patterns of energy.

Does how you perceive matter have any effect at all on the characteristics of that matter? Will you be unharmed by a bowling ball falling on your foot simply because you perceive it as a pattern of energy? If not, then your distinction of "dreamworld matter" versus "hard stuff" is a meaningless distinction.

You can see matter as patterns of energy or as an arrangement of microscopic Presbyterian pangolins, but unless you can demonstrate that your "vision" has some significant bearing on how matter behaves, then what you call it makes no difference.

So perhaps I'd better rephrase the question. "In what way does "dreamworld matter" behave differently from "ordinary matter"?

 

[c4ts]

Start another thread, don't hijack this one.

 

[wraith]

Do you see Gravitons as "matter" or are they merely "patterns of energy"?

Do Gravitons differ from other "matter"?

If so, how?

In reality, all that exists is consciousness. Matter is simply "what is" when consciousnesses communicate.

Now we can go right on in and plough over the "hard problem" and unearth the nature of consciousness. LD possess that consciousness is the source of gravity ( or is it the other way around...I get them mixed up ) and the other 3 forces of nature are controlled by God. In this, your soul/you source of "I"/consciousness is gravity. A particle in reality that perceives.

So to answer your question, Gravitons are matter, but it's the only matter in reality. Matter such as a rock or your tree is energy that you interpret as a "rock" and a "tree".

 

[wraith]

Welcome back Mr Information Minister. Pleased to see you made it out of Baghdad. Hope those caves in Syria aren't too cold.

ahhhh....something like that

 

[wraith]

Tricky

wraith: This "dreamworld" matter is matter. Only that you see matter as this "hard stuff" while I see it as patterns of energy.

Tricky: Does how you perceive matter have any effect at all on the characteristics of that matter? Will you be unharmed by a bowling ball falling on your foot simply because you perceive it as a pattern of energy? If not, then your distinction of "dreamworld matter" versus "hard stuff" is a meaningless distinction.

You can see matter as patterns of energy or as an arrangement of microscopic Presbyterian pangolins, but unless you can demonstrate that your "vision" has some significant bearing on how matter behaves, then what you call it makes no difference.

So perhaps I'd better rephrase the question. "In what way does "dreamworld matter" behave differently from "ordinary matter"?

No not all. Matter will "act the same" to both of us, regardless of our beliefs on what matter "does".. However, because of our differences in belief, we are going to take different paths in our lives. With one path being "closer" to the Truth than the other.

 

[wraith]

Start another thread, don't hijack this one.

If you want to post somehting about Franko's memorial, then go for it! Considering the seriousness of the topic, I dont think that anyone really cares if the thread goes "off track".


.....one at every party

 

[Q-Source]

In reality, all that exists is consciousness. Matter is simply "what is" when consciousnesses communicate.

Could you define again Matter?
What do you mean by "what is" ?

If you say in reality there is only consciousness then, it is impossible that there is also matter....

So you have to decide what reality is made of.
a)only matter
b) only consciousness
c) both

Now we can go right on in and plough over the "hard problem" and unearth the nature of consciousness. LD possess that consciousness is the source of gravity ( or is it the other way around...I get them mixed up )

Oh, you are not a fast graviton
Let's hope Franko doesn't notice that confusion

and the other 3 forces of nature are controlled by God. In this, your soul/you source of "I"/consciousness is gravity. A particle in reality that perceives.

As far as I know, Frank says that only Gravity is conscious

So you agree that TLOP =/= conscious

So to answer your question, Gravitons are matter, but it's the only matter in reality.

Again, is consciousness the only reality?
are gravitons made of matter?
if this is the case, then reality is not made of consciousness only.

Matter such as a rock or your tree is energy that you interpret as a "rock" and a "tree".

Are you saying that a Graviton is not energy as well?

If graviton = consciousness = gravity

and you claim that graviton = matter then,

it implies that matter = consciousness

Q-S

 

[MRC_Hans]

Rather pertinent points, I think, QS. I have only one more:

Now we can go right on in and plough over the "hard problem" and unearth the nature of consciousness. LD possess that consciousness is the source of gravity ( or is it the other way around...I get them mixed up )

Whichever it is, it does not compute. There is no correlation between the gravity of an object and its consciousness. So what is the difference between the gravity of a human and the gravity of a rock, according to LD?

Hans

 

[hammegk]

I forget if I ever heard what Franco's definition of a "graviton" was. Does anyone recall?

 

[CWL]

In reality, all that exists is consciousness. Matter is simply "what is" when consciousnesses communicate.

Now we can go right on in and plough over the "hard problem" and unearth the nature of consciousness. LD possess that consciousness is the source of gravity ( or is it the other way around...I get them mixed up ) and the other 3 forces of nature are controlled by God. In this, your soul/you source of "I"/consciousness is gravity. A particle in reality that perceives.

So to answer your question, Gravitons are matter, but it's the only matter in reality. Matter such as a rock or your tree is energy that you interpret as a "rock" and a "tree".

Hmmm. I shall go into lurk mode for a while, awaiting your response to Q-Source's and Hans' respective replies to the above.

 

[Tricky]

So to answer your question, Gravitons are matter, but it's the only matter in reality. Matter such as a rock or your tree is energy that you interpret as a "rock" and a "tree".

Sorry, Grasshopper, but you didn't learn very well at the foot of your master.
You could say:

Gravitons are made of time

or you might even say:

gravitons are memes

Or even gravitons are souls. But nowhere does The List indicate that gravitons are matter. Of course, if you want to argue that matter is made of time... well, that would be just about as intelligent as anything else you have said.

Tricky

No not all. Matter will "act the same" to both of us, regardless of our beliefs on what matter "does".

Then you agree there is no useful distinction between ordinary matter and "dreamworld matter"? If so, why even mention the latter?

However, because of our differences in belief, we are going to take different paths in our lives. With one path being "closer" to the Truth than the other.

At least you had the good sense not to indicate which one of us was closer to Truth.