What the hell, this might be fun.
Franko said:
Do you, or do you not claim that you (We) will cease to exist when we die?
I do not claim that we cease to exist when we die. I believe we exist still in the genetics of our children and in the memory of those who knew us when we were alive. I believe that or actions have reprocussions on those that follow us that I am responsible for. I do not, however, believe that I will personally continue to generate new thoughts or have new experiences once I am dead.
Once you have ceased to exist what are the ramifications of your past actions?
The ramifications will be demonstrated in the beliefs, conditions and actions of those who follow me. If I have done less for them than I might have, I will be remembered poorly. If I have done everything for them that I possibly could have, I will be remembered as a good man (hopefully).
Are you seriously this retarded?
I don't see anything retarded about my beliefs about consequences, Franko.
So if you find out that you have only 6 months to live, and you charge up all of your credit cards to the max, and borrow money from all of your friends (anyone who will lend you a dime), then what are the consequences according to you if you die without repaying the money.
The consequences, as I stated above, is that of having failed those who follow after me. That of hurting my family and friends and of making their lives worse, not better, for having been here. I would be hated and mocked by those I had cared most for and I would not be remembered well.
What logical reason have you given us to believe that you would NOT behave exactly like this in the scenario described above?
There is no logical reason, Franko. It is an emotional one. I
want to be remembered well by my friends and family. I
want to have systems in place where my children and their children work for fun and the challenge of it and don't have to work for a living. If you are looking for a logical reason, I suppose I can give you two. 1) I owe to those who came before me and 2) I owe to those who come after me.
If you found out that you only had weeks to live, and there was someone (or more that one) that you wanted to kill, why wouldn?t you kill them? If you only have a few weeks left to live, how bad is ?Life in Prison? gonna be? You probably wouldn?t even make it through the trial.
How about to present a good example? To continualy strive to be the best person I can be, even in the face of death. Killing said person will not change my situation. It won't make life easier for those who follow me. If killing someone is the only solution I can come up with to fixing a problem, then there is more wrong with me than my eminent demise.
I never mentioned supernatural punishment.
No? When you said you would enjoy watching me fry, what did you mean by that, exactly? When you talk about your goddess punishing/rewarding people, what did you mean?
I am arguing that in your mind, if you can steal from me with the reasonable expectation o NOT being caught in your lifetime then I see no reason to believe that you would NOT do just that.
Then you obviously do not know me.
In your mind you certainly won?t have to face any consequences for your action.
I think I've given you many examples of the kinds of consequences I feel my actions would have. Will I personally face them once I am dead? No, but those that follow me, my children, my family, my friends will. I will not be a burden like that to them.
But I this entire post is just a rehash of questions I have asked you (and others here) Time and Time again. I have no doubt you will ignore this post, and resume with your typical modus operandi. ? But that?s okay ? you are doing exactly what I predict you will do, and you are doing exactly what I want you to do. You are an extremely easy entity to manipulate.
Is that so. Have I not just given you a very honest answer to each of your questions? Are you honest enough to respect and acknowledge that I have answered your questions?
The fact remains all moral crime ? all EVIL ? is committed by entities which believe that there are NO ultimate consequences for their actions. You are living proof of this statement. You couldn?t be honest ? to save your own existence!
You don't know me, Franko. I feel that you know even less about the world around you. I am open-minded enough to challenge my own view point and honest enough to acknowledge when I'm wrong. When I can't, that is evil, Franko. When one cannot be sorry for when one has made a mistake, that is evil. Be careful about throwing the first stone.
Upchurch
edited because I wrote just too darn fast
