Four Shot Outside Teddy Haggard's Church

articulett said:
Damn... I predicted it. That Virginia Tech shooter was a Christian too-- they were going to have him exorcised. And some preacher wondered why atheists weren't giving speeches at the victims memorials. Others used it as an opportunity to convert. Every time something bad happens it's the atheists, feminists, secularists, or gays. The invisible guys is responsible for all that is good.

They loudly bleat poor me as they oppress others and loudly blame others while turning a blind eye to their own hypocrisy. At least we have this forum... And we're smarter... and funnier

Though they track us down here to preach at us and tell us how much holier they are than us. When is that damn rapture coming?
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What difference does it make if they realize they are "nutters" or "blowhards"?

You are still knocking them, aren't you?

You certainly are knocking them with their "loudly bleat".
 
Very odd and wrong of me to post this, but the punchline to a bad pun joke was that there was a group of marines that were attempting a landing and found themselves shipwrecked and a group of dolphins nudged them to shore where they could camp. The next thing they hear in the morning, is a general announcement

"For all in tents, and Porpoises".....
 
Right, yes. sorry.

For all in tents, and porpoises, I propose a gigantic revolution in mammalian mind-frame, using the Internet.

This might get us somewhere! :-)
 
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Fnord said:
Now that Christian leaders are getting death threats, that vehicles displaying Christian symbols are being vandalized (even in church parking lots), that churches are being set afire, and that church members are getting robbed and beaten (again, even on church property) armed guards during religious services are becoming more commonplace.

Most folks in my church see armed guards as a deterrent -- someone whose visible presence tends to discourage gang members from loitering around the church building...

...we have the Constitutional right to defend ourselves.

Including the Right to Bear Arms.
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Is this a joke?

Defend yourselves against what?

If you truly, completely believed in all the Jesus stuff, you'd have no fear of death. None. Nada. Zip.

Jesus made it very clear that death is an instant ticket to paradise... who wouldn't welcome an sudden magic trip to eternal bliss?

Seriously. If you weren't afraid of death, you wouldn't need or want guns.

Somebody storms in the church, starts blasting away at you? You'd shout, "Amen, Lord, see you in a minute!"

Let's look at some relevant Jesus quotes:

"For whoever has a desire to keep his life will have it taken from him, but whoever gives up his life because of me, will keep it." -Luke 9:24

Jesus, speaking to one of the thieves about to die on a cross beside Jesus: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." -Luke 23:43
 
b33fj3rky said:
Is this a joke?

Defend yourselves against what?

If you truly, completely believed in all the Jesus stuff, you'd have no fear of death. None. Nada. Zip.
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More 'No True Christian' silliness from a cynic. Do ye speak with a brogue?
Jesus made it very clear that death is an instant ticket to paradise... who wouldn't welcome an sudden magic trip to eternal bliss? Seriously. If you weren't afraid of death, you wouldn't need or want guns.
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People tend to like to live. All people. Do you grok that?
Somebody storms in the church, starts blasting away at you? You'd shout, "Amen, Lord, see you in a minute!"

Let's look at some relevant Jesus quotes:

"For whoever has a desire to keep his life will have it taken from him, but whoever gives up his life because of me, will keep it." -Luke 9:24
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So, are all called on to be martyrs, or are martyrs being pointed to as being blessed?
Jesus, speaking to one of the thieves about to die on a cross beside Jesus: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." -Luke 23:43
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OK they are both about to die, and Jesus says to the thief "see you in a little while, on the other side."

What has that to do with deliberately hastening one's end by acts aimed at non preservation of one's life? Suicide is not sanctioned.

I'll suggest to you that nowhere in Scripture are the faithful called upon by Jesus be a complete and utter morons, nor are any called to throw away their lives stupidly. Were they so called, the "lemmings over the cliff" passage would be well marked, for those studying this extinct religion. Youd not have a Christian left alive, what with 2000, or more likely less, years of deliberate suicide culling the Christian herd.

What is told is that when life is over, there is more "on the other side." Note that "hurry up and end your life so we can party in Heaven" is nowhere directed. The idea is to get people to worry less.

When you are done telling Christians how to wear their kilts, would you care to add anything of substance?

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
What is told is that when life is over, there is more "on the other side." Note that "hurry up and end your life so we can party in Heaven" is nowhere directed. The idea is to get people to worry less.
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That's no fun.

"Suffer in this life for as long as you possibly can, and then maybe you'll get to party forever at the end!"

Bleh, what's the point?
 
Lonewulf said:
That's no fun.

"Suffer in this life for as long as you possibly can, and then maybe you'll get to party forever at the end!"

Bleh, what's the point?
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My German friend Rainer used to walk up to me, as I worked away on some staff paper, cigarette in hand, with a bemused expression on his face. He would say:

"Darth, life is too short to be miserable. Let's go and have a pint."

I usually did.

Rainer seems to have had a point, in concert with yours.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
Rainer seems to have had a point, in concert with yours.
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And you were certainly "blessed" (probably through God's Will or some crap like that) to be able to actually choose to do that.

You weren't born in, say, Darfur.
 
articulett said:
In any case... the believers will not stop concluding that religion is necessary for morality... they will praise god for saving them without questioning why some were killed or why this happened in their church. They won't conclude that religion does not cure mental illness any better than it cures "gay". They will not conclude that easy access to guns has anything to do with it. They will never let a tad of blame go towards religion faith or god but they will imply that secularism or lack of faith or satan is to blame... (and atheists are secretly satanist to them of course.).

They will not be aware of how insensitive they sound to those who weren't spared and how they confabulate stories so that god is always the good guy and "not god" always to blame. They will not learn anything valuable from this--they will just use it like they use their bible to prop up whatever beliefs they have "faith" in. Heck, they'll call it a test of faith and declare faith the victor, I bet. Perhaps a prominent theist will wonder why no atheists spoke at the victims funerals implying it means something sinister just as some posit sinister intent on the posters here.
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Spot on.
 
(ETA: In referense to imply/infer debate on page 3):

Dang. I do hate when people use infer when they mean imply, and I just trusted BP to be right as the pedant he is. J/K BP. I'll read more closely next time. ;)
 
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Darth Rotor said:
When you wish to exercise hatred, it is very important to get a good handle on who "they" are.
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In this case, however, it is very easy to define who "they" are: anybody with the audacity to criticize or even cast doubt on articulett! As the incarnation of everything that is good and just, she knows that whoever criticizes her represents evil.
Notice that the very fundamental doctrine of Christianity, in particular in its fundamentalist versions, remains an integral part of the thinking of many apostates: the dichotomy between good and evil. The good deserve to be in paradise, with or without their good Lord, whereas no punishment is harsh enough for the evil.
If you criticize these guys, they won't interpret it as criticism. Instead they'll see it as implying that the critic thinks that they belong in the group of people who deserve eternal damnation. No wonder they get upset and find it hard to remain composed and calm.
This is why it is usually easier to have a sensible conversation with a mellowed Christian (one who isn't too fond of the vengeful psychopath portrayed in the Old Testament) than it is to talk with a diehard skeptoid who has rejected Christianity but is still caught up in the same old dichotomy.
 
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CFLarsen said:
What difference does it make if they realize they are "nutters" or "blowhards"?

You are still knocking them, aren't you?

You certainly are knocking them with their "loudly bleat".
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Actually, Claus, I'm knocking you. You're the one who goes around pretending to stick up for people who don't even seem to know you exist or get your point while driving other people crazy with your inane judgments and JREF vigilantism. You are the worst at knocking people and then pointing out their far tamer observations on a skeptics forum. You are so blind to how obnoxious you are. I tend to judge people who judge me first.... and I tend to choose my medium. You judge everyone and never concede a point and never realize that you are only making sense to yourself.

And you bring this mockery on yourself by trying to get people mad at me or other people who point out what a blowhard you are. And you ARE, Claus. You accuse people of stuff that you ought to examine yourself for. My calling religious people nutters who are behaving irrationally by spinning a happy god story is something my skeptic friends relate too... the nutty religious folks won't read this or won't realize it's them or might even get a clue and think of how their spin doesn't make sense. They aren't caging their anti atheist spin-- in fact, they like you, are blind to their snide illogic. And also like you, I imagine they would continue with their own delusional spin of what is right and how morally superior they are no matter what they read.

You are not a person I would take advice from. You are far more judgmental and offensive from my perspective than I am. You are worse to people I like--in person and on line. Your sense of humor tends to suck. You annoy the hell out of a lot of people including people here on this thread where you came to derail the thread to continue a fatwa... because you believe that others will surely see that I'm the terrible person you've imagined me to be. It's you, Claus. You and Dann are both way more offensive then the people you are offended by. Get a bit of humility... cede a point on occasion... evolve some humor... and leave the rest of us alone. We don't need your vigilantism. We don't think you are better, more moral, nicer, socially adept or contribute more to the world than we do. Put me on ignore. Quit stalking my threads-- I have learned that a lot of people feel like I do and only the 2 or 3 blowhards feel like you do and they are eager to see me lay you open.

When you ask me inane questions or stalk me or judge me, you have invited me to return the favor. And I most certainly will oblige.
 
b33fj3rky said:
Is this a joke?

Defend yourselves against what?

If you truly, completely believed in all the Jesus stuff, you'd have no fear of death. None. Nada. Zip.

Jesus made it very clear that death is an instant ticket to paradise... who wouldn't welcome an sudden magic trip to eternal bliss?

Seriously. If you weren't afraid of death, you wouldn't need or want guns.

Somebody storms in the church, starts blasting away at you? You'd shout, "Amen, Lord, see you in a minute!"

Let's look at some relevant Jesus quotes:

"For whoever has a desire to keep his life will have it taken from him, but whoever gives up his life because of me, will keep it." -Luke 9:24

Jesus, speaking to one of the thieves about to die on a cross beside Jesus: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." -Luke 23:43
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I've never understood this weird dichotomy either. If people really believed... they should be eager to die-- like the hijackers were. You may as well die while in a state of grace, eh? What's death but the start of "happily ever after" if theists really believe what they say they believe. Now family members will have dreams where their loved ones tell them they are happy in heaven... just like the family members of the 9-11 hijackers.
 
My friend used to joke about Jehovah's Witness jihadists.. they would knock on your door, tell you about Jesus, and shoot you in the face.
"Oh, it's those JW jihadists again.. don't even open the door, I can't deal with this right now."
 
Snide said:
(ETA: In referense to imply/infer debate on page 3):

Dang. I do hate when people use infer when they mean imply, and I just trusted BP to be right as the pedant he is. J/K BP. I'll read more closely next time. ;)
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Are you IMPLYING that you are apologetic for judging me too hastily? Or am I INFERRING that conclusion because I find humility such at attractive feature in a guy?

It is charming.

If I've inferred incorrectly, don't tell me. :p
 
Darth Rotor said:
Before you get too effusive with your praise, consider:

When you wish to exercise hatred, it is very important to get a good handle on who "they" are. One would not want to expend such a powerful emotion on anyone other than the intended target.

DR
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I think you've exhibited much more hatred to actual people in this thread than anything he said. The log in your eye and the chip on your shoulder are way more enormous then the ones you imagine in others.

Your accusations are a strawman... moreover they are particularly ironic given that everything you've posted on this thread is loaded with the venom of the "holier than thou". Perhaps you aren't aware of how much you sound like CFLarsen and Dann. Or maybe that was your intent. I, for one, find Scruts posts much more enjoyable to read than anything the 3 or you write. JREF vigilantes suck. They ought to work on their own social gaffes before tossing off their opinions of others. When you bleat your negative opinions of others to those others, be prepared when those others return the favor and share their opinions of you. Don't have a tantrum; look to see who started things first.
 
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