Ed Forum birdwatching 2008

Ooo, you're such a tease. :) Can we try and guess?

Have you found some gens-specific primers? Do these primers work cross-species i.e they can identify the host of a cuckoo independent of which species of cuckoo you're studying? Am I talking complete nonsense? Wouldn't it be great if you could?

Sorry, I might be slightly drunk at the moment... :D

Hahahaha, you're thinking too much.

Let us just say that there is evidence that there is no correspondence whatsoever between the genes of a cuckoo and the way it sounds.

But I'll admit that it would be way cool if it turned out that cuckoos parasitising Meadow Pipits were a different species than those on Marsh Warblers^^. How on earth would you be able to tell them apart in the field, then?

Supposedly, at one of the banding stations I'll be at in Japan, there are more Arctic Warbler Phylloscopus borealis and Rustic Bunting Emberiza rustica than anyone can shake even the longest of stick at. There's also supposedly e good place near the institute for seeing both Japanese Marsh Warbler Megalurus pryeri and Japanese Reed Bunting Emberiza yessoensis. If only I have time...^^
 
Like an autumn migrant, I'm dipping into the thread without having read through it.

About six weeks ago I bought a bird feeding station and set it up in the garden. This is in Scotland, and if you understand the National Grid system, reference to my "location" on the left will get you close. (Comment from the joiner, a bird feeder and a cat flap at the same time - do you call that joined up thinking? I'm sorry to report one sparrow casualty.) The seed feeder in particular is being guzzled like there's no tomorrow. I also had to buy a bird book to figure out what was taking advantage of the largesse. This is the list of birds I've seen in the garden, at or around the feeder. All very common and boring, but nice to look at all the same.

Coal tits, Parus ater (numerous)
Great tits, Parus major (numerous)
Blue tits, Parus caeruleus (numerous)
Chaffinches, Fringilla coelebs (numerous)
Greenfinch, Carduelis chloris (once or twice, I think, but not in the last couple of weeks)
Sparrows, Passer domesticus (numerous)
Robin, Erithacus rubecula (one resident)
Magpies, Pica pica (frequent)
Rooks, Corvus frugilegus (occasional)
Crows, Corvus corone (quite frequent)
Woodpigeons, Columba palumbus (frequent)
Collared doves, Streptopelia decaocto (frequent)
Black-headed gulls, Larus ridibundus, or might have been Little gulls, Larus minutus, depending on which bird book I consult (occasional)
Great spotted woodpecker, Dendrocopus major (once, got away before I got the camera)
Starlings, Sturnus vulgaris (nest in my garage roof, and flocks perform amazing aerobatics over the house in autumn)
Blackbirds, Turdus merula (resident pair)

My neighbour says she had swallows nesting in her garage, but seen from a distance I thought they were swifts.

Out and about locally, I tend only to notice the big stuff, but I've seen the following recently:

Heron, Ardea cinerea
Buzzard, Buteo buteo (shouldn't be here according to my bird book)
Red kite, Milvus milvus (neither should this, but it is)

I've also done post mortem examinations on numerous mute swans, herring gulls, tufted ducks and the occasional Whooper swan. Oh, and far too many pheasants. But these were dead (except for some of the pheasants, which were alive on presentation....), so they probably don't count.

Rolfe.
 
I've also done post mortem examinations on numerous mute swans, herring gulls, tufted ducks and the occasional Whooper swan. Oh, and far too many pheasants. But these were dead (except for some of the pheasants, which were alive on presentation....), so they probably don't count.

Welcome to the thread! I will add your reports (as well as several others) later tonight, but I have a quick question: when you do post mortem exams on wild birds, do you ever discover any lice on them? If so, what do you do with them? Do you collect them in some manner, or just get rid of them?

Also: I made an impromptu trip to Halland today to get a new tripod, and got, I believe, six new species for this year for me (I doubt all of them are new for the list):
Curlew Sandpiper Calidris ferruginea
Turnstone Arenaria interpres
Little Stint Calidris minuta
Peregrine Falcon Falco peregrinus
Dunlin Calidris alpina
Black-tailed Godwit Limosa limosa

I can't actually remember if all of these are new twitches for me this year, but it's the second time ever I saw a Turnstone on the Swedish West coast, so I was quite happy about that. Tomorrow, I'll go out and try my new tripod, and hope to get Slavonian Grebe, Little Gull, and Broad-billed Sandpiper, all of which have been seen in one area recently. I'll make a fuller report of birds I'll add for Halland later today as well.
 
(Comment from the joiner, a bird feeder and a cat flap at the same time - do you call that joined up thinking? I'm sorry to report one sparrow casualty.)


The Sparrow is my wife's favourite bird. :mad:
 
Welcome to the thread! I will add your reports (as well as several others) later tonight, but I have a quick question: when you do post mortem exams on wild birds, do you ever discover any lice on them? If so, what do you do with them? Do you collect them in some manner, or just get rid of them?
You are way, way too kinky for me.



I drove Merc Jr. to college last weekend... sadly, I was driving, so no pics. Upstate New York, we saw a raptor on a fence post--both of us called it a Peregrine Falcon, but I must admit it was more gut feeling than anything else (but wow, what a beautiful bird!), unless he has been hiding some bird identification classes from me. On the way back, nearly the same area, 6 Great Egrets in one marshy area, right along the Turnpike. West of Herkimer, East of Syracuse, but I can't do better than that.

It really is unfair--I see tons of LGBs or LBBs (little gray birds and little brown birds), but they are so much more difficult to identify than the far less frequent, but much larger, raptors and waders. I really do envy the experienced birders here, who can see the variety in the LGB category. Not like the deep hatred I feel toward EHocking, but a bit of envy nonetheless. That, and I want a new pair of binocs....
 
Welcome to the thread! I will add your reports (as well as several others) later tonight, but I have a quick question: when you do post mortem exams on wild birds, do you ever discover any lice on them? If so, what do you do with them? Do you collect them in some manner, or just get rid of them?


Hi, thanks.

With the wild birds we're really just screening for evidence of bird flu - it's a surveillance exercise. We do record a cause of death if that's obvious, but that's about it. We did also screen for Salmonella, but that seems to have stopped. I don't remember seeing any lice, though if anyone wanted any for a research project they could ask us and we'd keep a look out. Did you want some?

I saw a wild pheasant this morning, a female, definitely alive, so I suppose that counts. Phasianus colchicus. Though given the sporting interests around here, the chances of it being actually wild are probably remote. Might even be a mate of one of the post-mortemed batches.

I was going to say that I thought not all the sparrows were Passer domesticus, and that there might have been some Prunella modularis in there. However, they seemed to be keeping together, and on re-consulting the bird book I think that what I thought might be Prunella modularis was actually Mrs. Passer domesticus.

Sorry, BillyJoe, but there seem to be plenty left!

Now I know all about keeping up the bird feeding once you've started, but really! I only started end-July/early-August. Before that, it was just a case of throwing the stale bread and left-over porridge on the lawn, and it was mostly the magpies and crows that took that, the little ones only got a few crumbs. I bought a bird feeder in the shape of a pole with three hooks (for a seed feeder, a peanut feeder and a fat-ball feeder), a bird-bath water pan and a flat mesh bird-table attachment. The idea being that the cat could only look on in frustration.

At the same time, a cousin gave me another fat-ball feeder, which I fixed on the clothes line, and I found a square mesh holder for fat blocks that had been in the garden all along, hanging on the fence. So I filled these up too.

The peanuts are the least popular item. The fat balls and the fat block go quite quickly, and anything I put on the bird table also doesn't last long. I think the magpies are still getting the bread, and they are also having a good go at the fat block. But it's the seed feeder that's the real hit. The little ones are guzzling it like there's no tomorrow. I started with a special introductory offer of an expensive mix, but moved to the cheap corner shop offering which includes barley they just drop on the grass for the pigeons. I'm having to fill the feeder every two days, sometimes more often. I think they're getting through it faster and faster.

What I want to know is, what were they eating before I came along??? "They" being Great Tits, Blue Tits and a whole dose of Coal Tits, plus hordes of Chaffinches and Sparrows. They are eating me out of house and home! They simply do not stop!

I commented to the local shopkeeper that judging by the amount of seed, peanuts and fat balls he seemed to be shifting, the local bird life was remarkably pampered. He said that the demand for the stuff had been quite an eye-opener to him when he took over the shop. So how come the entire avian population of the village seems to have descended on my garden to stuff themselves without a break?

Rolfe.
 
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I meant to say.

As regards coming to America and taking the starlings back.

If you guys will come here and take away all the grey squirrels - I mean all of them, every last one, and the parapox virus they rode in on too - then (and only then) we can talk about the starlings.

Rolfe.
 
You are way, way too kinky for me.

All will be explained below.

With the wild birds we're really just screening for evidence of bird flu - it's a surveillance exercise. We do record a cause of death if that's obvious, but that's about it. We did also screen for Salmonella, but that seems to have stopped. I don't remember seeing any lice, though if anyone wanted any for a research project they could ask us and we'd keep a look out. Did you want some?

The answer to your question is "Yes". I am doing my PhD on chewing lice on birds, focusing on shorebirds. I'll be going to Japan and Australia this fall (I leave on Thursday) to collect material for this, and together with a planned trip to Vancouver and Philadelphia next spring, and proposed or potential collaborations with people in Manitoba, Chiba, Moscow, Antarctica (!), and somewhere in Illinois, I figure I got the shorebird part pretty covered, as most of them are in the Northern hemisphere anyway.

However, I am also required, as part of my PhD, to get material from all birds that have been seen 10 times or more in Sweden (where I live). This is because I am funded by something called the Swedish Taxonomic Initiative, which aim to make an inventory of all multi-cellular lifeforms of Sweden, catalogue and name them (if not done previously), and publish a series of books, six of which are already finished. I will eventually get to write the book on chewing lice on birds, and possible (if I have time and can get material) on mammals.

Much of my work is just going out catching birds and try to delouse them. I've been doing some catching of my own here in Gothenburg, but also stayed for three weeks at the Ottenby bird observatory last year, and in Padjelanta National Park (above the Polar circle, I think!) and the Ume Delta (northern Sweden as well), and for most kinds of birds this works out quite well. I have lots of material from passerines, shore birds, some birds of prey, and some ducks. However, some groups are virtually impossible to catch. This group includes ones that are rare (Arctic Warbler, Penduline Tit, European Serin), ones that are rarely ashore (Gannet, Puffin, Cory's Shearwater), and ones that are not very easy to catch (Pheasant, Quail, Capercaillie, Eagle Owl).

Thus, I am always trying to look out for ways to get lice from these whenever the opportunity arises. I have been at a rehabilitation home for injured and sick birds a few times, and searched for lice on Peregrine Falcons, Razorbills, Eagle Owls, and Goshawks, with varying success. A French PhD student who was working on bird flu sent me some material from Magpies, Flamingos and one other bird that presently slips my mind. I'm always looking for people who have various projects that I could participate in to collect lice when they are banding birds in the nests or so (like Merlins this summer in Padjelanta; we were supposed to catch also Long-tailed Skuas, Rough-legged Buzzards, Lapland Longspurs, Red-throated Pipits, and Red-necked Phalarope, but that never materialised).

Therefore, I'd be interested if you ever found any lice on any birds at all and, if so, if you'd consider sending them to me somehow? I don't know what kinds of permits would be required for that sort of thing from the British authorities, but there's nothing required to import them to Sweden. The Scottish bird fauna is similar enough to the Swedish one to be interesting. I would, of course, need to find these lice on birds collected in Sweden anyway, but having a larger material to work with would enable me to get more sequences for the same lice (I work so far only with DNA, but will start doing morphology in London this winter), would lessen the amount of time I'd need to look at some birds, and would, of course, be possible points of further study.

As to the last point, I can give a specific example. Though my primary focus is shorebirds, one of my papers will be a test to see if a certain group of lice (the subfamily Quadraceptinae) parasitic mainly on shorebirds is monophyletic. Therefore, I have sequenced a lot of other lice as well, from other groups of birds. When looking at lice, putatively of the same three or four species, from a number of ducks (Mute Swan, Eider, Gadwall, Mallard, Brent Goose Wigeon, Teal, and Red-breasted Merganser, as well as some sequences from GenBank), it seems like these putative species do not form monophyletic groups. Instead they form clusters that suggests that maybe each of these ducks have their own species of louse in these genera (1). This could be a very interesting study in its own right. Thus, duck lice of any species are interesting, as well as all shore bird lice (including terns, auks, gulls, and skuas).

Does this sound like something that could be doable?

As I said, I will be leaving for Japan and Australia on Thursday, and be gone until late November. Then I leave for London almost straight away, and won't be home until after New Years, as go from London to my parents' place, and then from there to Wien. However, if you find any lice, and would be willing to send them to me, I could still send you the address and my supervisor (2) will take care of them.

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(1) This has actually previously been the case, when Zlotorzycka, Eichler, and the rest of the East German crowd described new species solely on the basis of host relationships, rather than louse morphology.
(2) For anyone who owns the Helm Guide to Buntings and Sparrows, you may recognise the name Urban Olsson, who is the second author of that book; he is my supervisor. I also work for him part time, and also (indirectly) for Per Alström, whom some of you may recognise from the Helm guide to Wagtails and Pipits, as well as the Alström's Warbler Seicercus soror, which I believe he was a bit surprised and ashamed to have named for him. I don't know the details, though. These two are the guys who are making it so very hard to know what to twitch when you see a small brownish/greenish Seicercus or Phylloscopus in Asia^^.
 
You are way, way too kinky for me.
It's an odd sort of chat up line he's got going there but it seems to be working with Rolfe so let's you & I stay out of this. BTW...I happen to know that Rolfe has a very lovely pair of pale green pumps, not the sort of Boo boots that I know you feel strongly about but nice feminine yet business like foot wear.

Oh, and I saw a bird today.
 
Oh, and I saw a bird today.


:)

(Was it a sparrow? :D )


I saw quite a few today. Out on the Warburton trail. This is an old dismantled train line leaving just the cutting through the hills, so it's all gentle slopes, unlike the mountain trails I've been frequenting of late. One complication is that I forgot to charge the spare battery pack. Goddamn!

Anyway there were rosellas, black cockatoos, yellow robins, wagtails, and wattle birds.
(But no sparrows :( )

After the football I'll see if any of the pics turned out.
 
Sulphur-crested cockatoo:



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[Warburton Trail between Mt Evelyn and Wandin]

Yes, not new.
 
Wattle Bird:

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[Warburton Trail between Mt Evelyn and Wandin; 7th Sep 2008]

Could be new?
 
Kotatsu, I'll see if I can do anything to help.

The wild birds we screen are mostly mute swans, with the occasional Whooper swan, tufted duck and herring gull. But I can ask for a check to be made to see if there are any lice.

Pheasants we have by the cartload, as they are bred here in their tens of thousands to stock the shooting moors. However, as they are raised artificially they tend to be treated for parasites. If I see any lice on them, again I'll save you some.

We have a bird expert at one of our other labs. I can ask him also, but as you are working on an official project it might be worthwhile your writing to him directly to ask for material. I'll PM you with his address and email.

Rolfe.
 
Nice trip to Galveston Island today. Got a respectable list. The Black-bellied Plover was a lifer for me.


  • Reddish Egret
  • Great Egret
  • Snowy Egret
  • Cattle Egret
  • Tricolored Heron
  • Great Blue Heron
  • Little Blue Heron
  • Common Grackle
  • European Starling
  • Red-winged Blackbird (heard)
  • Meadowlark
  • Ruddy Turnstone
  • Semipalmated Plover
  • Black-bellied Plover
  • Killdeer
  • White Ibis
  • Pectoral Sandpiper
  • Sanderling
  • Willet
  • Marbled Godwit
  • Long-billed Curlew
  • Brown Pelican
  • Laughing Gull
  • Herring Gull
  • Caspian Tern
  • Royal Tern
  • Forster's Tern
  • Northern Mockingbird
  • Loggerhead Shrike
  • Barn Swallow
  • Scissor-tailed Flycatcher
  • Osprey
  • Black-necked Stilt
  • White-winged Dove
  • Rock Pigeon
  • Double-crested Cormorant.
 
Black-headed gulls, Larus ridibundus, or might have been Little gulls, Larus minutus, depending on which bird book I consult (occasional)

Definitely, black-headed, little gulls are very rare away from the coast,and pretty scarce even there - definitely not a garden bird.

Buzzard, Buteo buteo (shouldn't be here according to my bird book)
Red kite, Milvus milvus (neither should this, but it is)
...
Rolfe.

The buzzard population has grown like Topsy over the past twenty years or so, and it now occupies much of its former range. Any bird book more than a few years old is likely to be out-of-date in this regard.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/b/buzzard/population_trends.asp

Any observations of red kites in Scotland should be reported here :

http://www.argatyredkites.co.uk/wingtags.htm

They're stunning birds and it's great to hear of sightings away from the main introduction areas. The young birds will be exploring widely at this time of year looking for good hunting sites over the Winter and new possible breeding locations for next Spring.
 
I have added reports by myself, sphenisc, EHocking, I_Ratant, Rolfe, Hokulele, BillyJoe, and Tricky, though haven't had time to add the ones from my trip to Halland yet. Some comments:

Sparrowhawk Accipeter brevipes

I am guessing this is just a mistake, or did you really see a brevipes?

I initially wrote Delichon urbica before something at the back of my mind made me check it.

Here's a discussion of why it's now urbicum, for anyone who likes that kind of thing...

I have changed this throughout the list.

Heh, my state is a country all to itself! I cannot really claim it as mine though, as I believe Ravenwood's contributions are included.

Yes.

Along those lines, I saw a pelican drop off the bowsprit of the HMS Surprise and eat a fish in San Diego this summer, right after I got off the Russian sub.

Any more details? A pelican in San Diego in the Summer would be the Brown pelican, no?

Interesting trivia:
In Kim Stanley Robinson's otherwise excellent "Red Mars", Michel, the psychologist is longing for the Provence he left behind. In his dreams, the pelicans of the Mediterranean are brown. Thus, Michel would have had to report those pelicans to the local rare bird committee, as all Mediterranean pelicans are white. Especially since, as the narrative leads us to believe, these brown pelicans apparently are very common there.

Crows, Corvus corone (quite frequent)

Carrion or Hooded?

Wattle Bird:

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[Warburton Trail between Mt Evelyn and Wandin; 7th Sep 2008]

Could be new?

I think it is, but I can't tell which species it is. Little Wattlebird Anthocheara chrysoptera?
 
Nice trip to Galveston Island today. Got a respectable list. The Black-bellied Plover was a lifer for me.
A few pics from the same:

Willit & Godwit
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Black-Bellied Plover
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Caspian Tern
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Cormorant Departing
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Curlew in the grass
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Reddish Egret Stalking
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Ruddy Turnstone
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Sanderling
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Semipalmated Plovers
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