Former Navy Seal sues Rumsfeld

What happened to him is just par for the course in these matters.

It should not be. We should not mistreat people who haven't even been found guilty by any court of law.

Go to your local county jail and talk to the inmates there. They'll all have similar storys to tell. But for some reason those won't make the CBS nightly news, wonder why?

Because they're not filing law suits against the government.

He got arrested, he was subsequently freed w/o charges. And the people who arrested him were big meanies apparently, quick alert the media!

I think the media does the country a service when they bring to light that the government is still mistreating people.
 
If you don't want to believe me, simply because the man's claim of being a SEAL has been proven wrong, which also ruins his credibility...
But he has claimed no such thing.

CNN claim :

He is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, according to news reports.
Now most news sources I can find say that he was in the Navy for three years, which is different.

That's also what the ACLU said when they filed a lawsuit on his behalf.

ABC News quote Kar as saying "I'm a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces." Nothing about being a SEAL.

Good ol' bad ol' Wikipedia says :

... and subsequently entered the Navy and became a Navy Seal [citation needed], attaining the rank of Third Class Petty Officer.
Citation needed? I should think so.

Incidentally, could you ask your SEAL friends if "Third Class Petty Officer" is something a SEAL can be? It just doesn't sound right to me.

Textual analysis seems to show that the major source of the error is this article from the BBC. Perhaps some British doink thought that Navy Seal is just a generic term for a US naval serviceman.
 
But he has claimed no such thing.

CNN claim :

Now most news sources I can find say that he was in the Navy for three years, which is different.

That's also what the ACLU said when they filed a lawsuit on his behalf.

ABC News quote Kar as saying "I'm a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces." Nothing about being a SEAL.

Good ol' bad ol' Wikipedia says :

Citation needed? I should think so.

Incidentally, could you ask your SEAL friends if "Third Class Petty Officer" is something a SEAL can be? It just doesn't sound right to me.

Textual analysis seems to show that the major source of the error is this article from the BBC. Perhaps some British doink thought that Navy Seal is just a generic term for a US naval serviceman.

If I were that guy, I would sue the crap out of BBC for misreporting the news. It just seems wierd that the media would report something so skeptical, especially when they never recieved any such briefing from the man himself.

I really doubt that the British would misinterpret something like that; most people throughout the world know who the SEALs are.
 
If I were that guy, I would sue the crap out of BBC for misreporting the news.

He's probably more concerned about the people that actually did harm to him.
 
It should not be. We should not mistreat people who haven't even been found guilty by any court of law.
Of course not. But that it does happen is not news, any more than "dog bites man" is news.

Because they're not filing law suits against the government.
Here's one for you. It's been nearly 6 years now since this story broke, yet not a single topic started here in the JREF forum, not a peep from Democracy Now, nothing on the national news. IMHO, because the story is all about politics, nothing more.

I think the media does the country a service when they bring to light that the government is still mistreating people.
Now this is where you make the illogical leap to "the government is mistreating people". We have at best evidence that individual soldiers are mistreating people, none at all that this is the policy of the government. And the media is doing a disservice by portraying it as such.
 
Well, it's not a damaging accusation.

Well the SEAL guys could, and probably already had someone inform the media that this guy isn't a ex-SEAL, so in essense, it could damage his credibility.

Especially if the claim is always there, and never refuted nor proven by anyone.



I meant the modern world. But you're probably right, some people, even in the US have no idea about what the military is, or the 4 branches.
 
I meant the modern world. But you're probably right, some people, even in the US have no idea about what the military is, or the 4 branches.
Well, n=1 evidence but, I'm in the UK, I have no idea what the SEALs do, other than they are some kind of Naval unit, and I can't even imagine what the 4th branch of your armed forces could be.
 
Would you be surprised if he was a seal and his records mysteriously vanished?
Yes, I would be very surprised.
Its a trivial matter for the president to make a seal a non seal. Any witnesses that are still in can be ordered silent.
No, it's not trivial. Such orders would be illegal, and servicemen are obligated to not obey illegal orders. Giving such an order for a coverup is the kind of thing that can get a president impeached, whereas worst case scenario (everything that this guy claims happened as he claimed it did), it's just another embarrassment which will have little lasting consequence. It doesn't make any sense that there would be a coverup, and little chance that an attempted coverup could ever succeed.
Any retired witnesses can have their pensions messed with if they speak up.
No they can't. Once someone is retired, there's almost no legal way to do anything to their pension, and it makes no sense (for the reasons stated about) that the Bush administration would try, let alone succeed, in doing so by illegal means.

Whatever you're on, consider either lowering the dosage or upping it, because your paranoia is creeping towards unstable levels.
 
Here's one for you. It's been nearly 6 years now since this story broke, yet not a single topic started here in the JREF forum, not a peep from Democracy Now, nothing on the national news. IMHO, because the story is all about politics, nothing more.

You knew about this and didn't bring it up in the last 6 years? Why not?

We have at best evidence that individual soldiers are mistreating people, none at all that this is the policy of the government. And the media is doing a disservice by portraying it as such.

We have a president that refused to sign into a bill that restricted torture.
 
Are you trying to start a debate over whether or not the Marines are separate from the Navy?
LOL. Yep. But in fairness, it was in response to a person who was trying to sound like he was much smarter than the average American.

And of course, you can also argue that the Coast Guard and the National Guard are also military. Maybe you could include the Merchant marines and even the Treasury department, since that's who the Secret Service works for.

I don't think we are as dumb as some would like to paint us.
 
I doubt it. This story seems like a political move to me.
It might, to a conspiracy theorist. But the guy had been shooting in other places too, like Afghanistan and Turkey. I'm betting he already has a lot of film in the can. Seems like quite an elaborate setup just to spend some time in prison in order to make the US look bad.
 
Seems like quite an elaborate setup just to spend some time in prison in order to make the US look bad.

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant the reason this is getting widespread coverage by the press (as opposed to stories of some random guy getting knocked around at the county jail) is because it has the right political angle.
 
I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant the reason this is getting widespread coverage by the press (as opposed to stories of some random guy getting knocked around at the county jail) is because it has the right political angle.
There is little doubt that because of the scandals with prisoner treatment in Iraq, the press is "looking for" another hot story. (Their business is to sell papers, you know.) But this excuse could be used for any story which the press decides to cover extensively while ignoring or lightly treating others. Like the threads here, some stories catch on, others don't. As an editor, you want stories that catch on.

But that doesn't make it any less factual or important. For better or for worse, our news is a whole cacophony of stories with some that get bullet points.

Frankly I'm tired of hearing about Natalie Holloway. She's not the only kid that's disappeared.
 
LOL. Yep. But in fairness, it was in response to a person who was trying to sound like he was much smarter than the average American.

And of course, you can also argue that the Coast Guard and the National Guard are also military. Maybe you could include the Merchant marines and even the Treasury department, since that's who the Secret Service works for.

I don't think we are as dumb as some would like to paint us.

I wasn't trying to say that the average American is dumb, but rather that some people have no idea about the military and its 4 branches.

It was a response to a question about how many people know about the SEALs.
 
It might, to a conspiracy theorist. But the guy had been shooting in other places too, like Afghanistan and Turkey. I'm betting he already has a lot of film in the can. Seems like quite an elaborate setup just to spend some time in prison in order to make the US look bad.

You think the US government would send this guy to the can because they can't deal with dissent?
 

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