Former Navy Seal sues Rumsfeld

Would you be surprised if he was a seal and his records mysteriously vanished? Do you think this administration is above altering records to save face? Its a trivial matter for the president to make a seal a non seal. Any witnesses that are still in can be ordered silent. Any retired witnesses can have their pensions messed with if they speak up.
 
Oh, I'm not into the conspiracy theory crap. Bush tried to hide his own records and that didn't work, after all.
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
Would you be surprised if he was a seal and his records mysteriously vanished? Do you think this administration is above altering records to save face? Its a trivial matter for the president to make a seal a non seal. Any witnesses that are still in can be ordered silent. Any retired witnesses can have their pensions messed with if they speak up.
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Hey! Now you're poisoning the well. I'm sure it would be as difficult for this administration to alter the records of an armed forces veteran as it would for them to "disappear" the military records of a past President. ;)
 
Ryokan said:
What? All I saw in his 'evidence' was some guy on a forum saying he wasn't a SEAL.
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SOCNET is not just any forum. The guys there have access to a military databases than can confirm service records. It's the same forum that exposed that poser in Washington State who claimed on video to be a Ranger and that he had killed innocent Iraqi civilians by the truckload.

At this point I would take their word for it since they have a track record of being right about that sort of thing.
 
Mephisto said:
And I'll bet screaming that you're an American and an ex-military man will probably just enrage them more, but then they probably get that a lot in Iraq. I'm sure they get tired of hearing, "Saddam no good, you numbah one GI." ;)
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You have no idea what he was saying to the soldiers, his demeanor or the soldier's mood and demeanor. I'm not saying he wasn't mistreated, but this hardly rises to the level of headline news. He got arrested, maybe got roughed up a bit and was then let go. Happens every day right here in the USA and every other country. The only reason this makes news is because it can be used for a political agenda.

Remember the Iraq vet who got shot after a car chase while following the orders of the arresting officer? Which was all on videotape? Which happened in California? I'm sure he would much reather have had his head slammed into a wall and taunted a bit instead of being shot multiple times, but that's just my opinion.

Point being, s*** happens, and if what happened to him in Iraq at the hands of US soldiers had happened in Cleveland at the hand of Cleveland cops nobody would be starting a thread about it here. It probably wouldn't even make the news in a neighborhood Cleveland paper. This story is driven by politics.

(edited to wonder) If this guy is actually a Faux Navy SEAL, didn't he think his claims would be investigated in court as part of his lawsuit? Didn't he think that making false statements would jeopardize his case?
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I have no idea if he was a SEAL, or if he even claimed he was. And it's really irrelevant to the story anyway.
 
WildCat said:
And this is different than what happens in any US prison (or police station) every day of the year how, exactly? Especially since we don't know what his demeanor was at the time. I do know that if you smart off to a Chicago cop one too many times getting your head slammed into a wall will be the least you have to worry about.

It may shock some of you, but prisons are rough places filled w/ rough people. People who don't tend to obey you just because you asked nicely and said "pretty please".
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Oh, that's alright, then. As long as the Chicago police do it too.

Tell me, if an American suffered the same treatment after being captured by the insurgency, would you be so quick to brush it off then?
 
Cylinder said:
You're joking, right?
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Of course I'm joking. America would get indignant, Bush would say, 'only obeying orders will not be accepted as an excuse' and the perpetrators would be pursued relentlessly. But as it's the US military doing the beating, well, he shouldn't have been there anyway...
 
Ian Osborne said:
Tell me, if an American suffered the same treatment after being captured by the insurgency, would you be so quick to brush it off then?
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Yes, you're exactly right. This illustrates how much more clever the insurgents are than the Bush administration. They have eliminated the possibility of these sort of abuse allegations by either shooting or beheading their captives after they are brutally tortured. I've heard they've developed a technique by which memories of abuse, such as having your head slammed into the wall, are alleviated through the very precise manipulation of a power drill around and within a litigant's forehead.
 
Mephisto said:
Well THAT was certainly uncalled for, wasn't it?

You make a claim about, "some guy on another forum," and expect people on a Skeptics forum to simply buy your assertion? As for playing "know it all," I don't think Ryokan was out of line at all.

Now MY wise-ass question is; how can you prove the guys on your "SEAL" forum aren't a bunch of wannabees?
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Yes it was, and I apologize. I do find it funny that you accuse the people on the SOCNET forum of being wannabes, like I said, every single SEAL on there has been verified. Some are active duty, some retired.

If you don't want to believe me, simply because the man's claim of being a SEAL has been proven wrong, which also ruins his credibility, thats your opinion. I just know when news stories like this pop-up, and some guy claims to be a SEAL, I have always gone to that site to have it verified.

The guys are the real-deal, if you have a problem with that I suggest you sign up(its free) and have out your problem with them.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's not funny to doubt your claim until you've given the evidence. Now you have. However, the article doesn't state that HE claimed to be ex-navy, the article claims that other reports have said he's ex-navy.
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And you think that the media just got the claim from no-where, rather then the guy having actually said it?

This guy claimed he was a SEAL somewhere along the way, there is no way the media would make up a story unless they have good basis for it. That basis would be the guy saying, "I was a SEAL."
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
Would you be surprised if he was a seal and his records mysteriously vanished? Do you think this administration is above altering records to save face? Its a trivial matter for the president to make a seal a non seal. Any witnesses that are still in can be ordered silent. Any retired witnesses can have their pensions messed with if they speak up.
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Its SEAL, not seal.

A seal is an animal, remember?
 
Ian Osborne said:
Tell me, if an American suffered the same treatment after being captured by the insurgency, would you be so quick to brush it off then?
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If a captured American only had to worry about being threatened, insulted, demeaned or knocked around a bit I would feel much better, considering that their MO to date has been torturing prisoners to death, unless you're lucky and they simply behead you instead.

Do I really need to provide links to prove my allegations above?
 
WildCat said:
If a captured American only had to worry about being threatened, insulted, demeaned or knocked around a bit I would feel much better, considering that their MO to date has been torturing prisoners to death, unless you're lucky and they simply behead you instead.
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So that makes it ok for us to mistreat prisoners? It's about the extremity of mistreatment?
 
thaiboxerken said:
So that makes it ok for us to mistreat prisoners? It's about the extremity of mistreatment?
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Who said it was OK? What happened to him is just par for the course in these matters. Go to your local county jail and talk to the inmates there. They'll all have similar storys to tell. But for some reason those won't make the CBS nightly news, wonder why?

He got arrested, he was subsequently freed w/o charges. And the people who arrested him were big meanies apparently, quick alert the media!
 
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