• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Foreknowledge to the OKC bombing.

FatesWebb said:
I am prepared to prove foreknowledge to the OKC bombing from government, and family members, as well as argue that this very well appears to have been an inside job.... lets start with the proving foreknowledge....

A governors brother wrote the book The Final Jihad: When the "Best of the Worst" Finally Come for Us

[qimg]http://www.stevessundrybooksmags.com/images/final.jihad.jpg[/qimg]

before the oklahoma city bombings occurred. In the book Tom McVeigh does the same exact thing that Tim McVeigh did in real life. But I am sure you will tell me it is a coincidence down to the only difference being that his name was tom and not tim? =I don't think so.
Click to expand...

You mean this book?
After terrorists attack his family, Jack Stroud, former naval intelligence officer and counter-terrorism expert, joins forces with the FBI, the Secret Service, and the CIA to defend the United States from the greatest threat ever mounted against it. A litany of death and destruction ensues that pits American courage and technological genius against a combined group of determined KGB, North Korean, and East German hard-liners whose murderous acts are carried out by brutal Middle Eastern fanatics.

Vicious attacks of terrorism are unleashed across the country - all at the hands of the "best of the worst." As America hurtles headlong toward anarchy, the action catapults the opposing forces to a spectacular denouement in the nation's capital. The race against the clock is exhilarating, terrifying, and astonishingly real.
Click to expand...

Doesn't sound much like the events of the OKC bombing to me.

What are the odds that Keating, who could elicit no interest in his manuscript for some four years, altered some aspects of the narrative during the 14 months between the bombing and the books publication in order to make it more appealing to potential buyers? Can you present evidence that manuscript remained unaltered after the events of April 1995?
 
Your Book is FICTION, hey dumb guy, FICTION, you posted a fiction book

FatesWebb said:
http://www.sltrib.com/SEARCH/ci_5271117
Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.
berger@egoplex.comberger@egoplex.com.[/b]
Click to expand...
Oh, and why was he so silent at his trial? Are you really this dumb? Where do you go to get an implant that makes you this dumb?
Have a real good day buying fiction.

The book you posted is FICTION, do you get it?
 
Par said:
I gather that the Ryder people have more than one truck.
Click to expand...

I'm trying to discern the shape of an owl in there somewhere...

888645115233049ba.gif
 
krítique said:
The name of the character in the book is actually Tom McVey, not McVeigh, and he is only one of a number of main characters.

The book was written upwards of four years before The OKC bombing, but it was not published until a year afterwards, in 1996.
Click to expand...

Proof it was written "upwards of four years before the OKC bombing"?
 
Par said:
I gather that the Ryder people have more than one truck.
Click to expand...

why would the military have a ryder truck on a abandoned military base miles from the building in okc, and hidden by not just the one fence, but a second fence around the perimeter of the truck?>
 
FatesWebb said:
- Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast.
Click to expand...

Im going to go out on a limb here and predict that the sheep will say all those witnesses are mistaken, along with the 21 credible witnesses who saw John Doe number 2.
 
FatesWebb said:
- In early April 1995 a Ryder truck identical to the one used in the bombing was filmed by a pilot during an overflight of of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma. A June 17th, 1997 Washington Post article authenticates the photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs. Why were the military in possession of a Ryder truck housed in a remote clandestine army base days before the Alfred P. Murrah bombing?

- In a 1993 letter to his sister, McVeigh claimed that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an "elite squad of government paid assassins." McVeigh often contradicted himself and changed his story on a whim to fit in with the latest government version of events. Is the Camp Grafton footage evidence of McVeigh's enrollment in such a clandestine program?

- The FBI claimed McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing and yet on the morning of the attack he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions.

- Original reports of two explosions and several failed devices being defused by bomb squads were buried by the establishment as the official explanation that McVeigh acted alone was pushed.

- Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast.
Click to expand...

Um, don't all ryder trucks look alike? We had a thread on this a few months ago. The military contracts private trucks out all the time.

I'm not sure what McVeigh making up stories to his sister proves. The two explosions thing is untrue. I think you are referring to the seismographs showing two bumps, but this was reproduced in tests with only one explosion.
 
Here is the logical schema for the Rev91 and Fateswebb bots:

1. Paste random stuff from conspiracy websites
2. Wait for posts debunking said stuff, ignore them
3. Do not acknowledge you have been proven wrong on any points
4. If you haven't made a snide comment about how the others posters haven't debunked you for a while, do so now
5. Find some new stuff to paste
6. Goto 1

Edited to add:

7. when you've run out of stuff to paste, abandon thread and start a new one on a different subject.

Perhaps someone could write a pearl script or something to do this? It'd save the conspiracy boys some time and effort.

Maybe they could go out and enjoy some sunshine.

I suspect that the kind of people who are interested in genuine discussion and learning things don't stay conspiracy theorists for long.
 
Last edited:
Can a skeptic please explain why the terrorism task force leader booked in to his hotel in Oklahoma 9 hours before the bombing but then claimed he was in Texas?
 
FatesWebb said:
why would the military have a ryder truck on a abandoned military base miles from the building in okc, and hidden by not just the one fence, but a second fence around the perimeter of the truck?>
Click to expand...



Well, they could well have the truck there to transport something I suppose. The base doesn’t look abandoned; nor is the truck particularly hidden.
 
FatesWebb said:
why would the military have a ryder truck on a abandoned military base miles from the building in okc, and hidden by not just the one fence, but a second fence around the perimeter of the truck?>
Click to expand...

Hidden? HIDDEN?

The truck you showed us in those photos is about as far from 'hidden' as you can get without a flashing neon sign.
 
The tent it's next to is called a maintenance tent, incidentally. They're typically set up in field environments to allow for ease of repairs. My guess? A unit had to contract a transport truck (perhaps a refrigerated one; Ryder has those, yes?) to transport items to the field, the truck broke down, and the unit set it up next to a maintenance tent so it could be fixed as best as possible prior to returning it to Ryder.

Oh, but don't listen to me or anything; I'm only IN the military.
 
Par said:
Well, they could well have the truck there to transport something I suppose. The base doesn’t look abandoned; nor is the truck particularly hidden.
Click to expand...

like a fertilizer bomb???

and it has a fence around it perimeter, the shot is taken from an airplane, that is why we see it...

and the base was abandoned, on paper, but they are clearly doing something with a ryder truck
 
Oh, and incidentally Fates? An abandoned area on a military base simply means the buildings in the area are no longer in use; the area is likely still used for field exercises, however. There are abandoned areas in just about every military base in CONUS, I believe; Fort Bliss has a few, as I recall (although it's been awhile; they might not be abandoned anymore I suppose), but that doesn't mean the area itself is not in use, especially for tactical exercises.
 
Sabrina said:
Oh, and incidentally Fates? An abandoned area on a military base simply means the buildings in the area are no longer in use; the area is likely still used for field exercises, however. There are abandoned areas in just about every military base in CONUS, I believe; Fort Bliss has a few, as I recall (although it's been awhile; they might not be abandoned anymore I suppose), but that doesn't mean the area itself is not in use, especially for tactical exercises.
Click to expand...

tactical exercises such as loading up a ryder truck with explosives?
 
You know, there's an easy way to find out, Fates.

Contact the military base, give them the date, and ask if there were any units carrying out field training exercises on the date in question, and if so, could you get a contact number for them; if there is one, call the unit, and ask if they have records of contracting for trucks from Ryder (they probably wouldn't have records going back that far, but units typically use the same companies for their contracts until something forces them to change.) Alternately, contact the local Ryder company and ask them if the military in the area ever contracts trucks from them for use in the field.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom