Foreknowledge to the OKC bombing.

[FatesWebb]

I am prepared to prove foreknowledge to the OKC bombing from government, and family members, as well as argue that this very well appears to have been an inside job.... lets start with the proving foreknowledge....

A governors brother wrote the book The Final Jihad: When the "Best of the Worst" Finally Come for Us

before the oklahoma city bombings occurred. In the book Tom McVeigh does the same exact thing that Tim McVeigh did in real life. But I am sure you will tell me it is a coincidence down to the only difference being that his name was tom and not tim? =I don't think so.

 

[Anti-sophist]

lets start with the proving foreknowledge....

Ok.

In the book Tom McVeigh does the same exact thing that Tim McVeigh did in real life. But I am sure you will tell me it is a coincidence down to the only difference being that his name was tom and not tim? =I don't think so.

Why have you ruled out coincidence?

 

[Revolutionary91]

Oh im going to enjoy this thread. I got lots of lovely OKC evidence to post, but I won't steal Fates thunder just yet.

I predict the people here will call that book a coincidence. Can I enter randis million dollar challenge?

 

[FatesWebb]

Ok.



Why have you ruled out coincidence?

because it is the same exact plot on the same exact building by a man with the same exact name, and the same first name short 1 letter. the odds would be astronomical. like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row.

 

[JimBenArm]

because it is the same exact plot on the same exact building by a man with the same exact name, and the same first name short 1 letter. the odds would be astronomical. like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row.

How did you calculate this?

 

[FatesWebb]

How did you calculate this?

so you contend it was a coincidence?

 

[Anti-sophist]

because it is the same exact plot on the same exact building by a man with the same exact name, and the same first name short 1 letter. the odds would be astronomical. like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row.

How about the fact that the winning lottery numbers in New York on 9/11 was 9-1-1.

Does that prove the lottery was rigged?

 

[Revolutionary91]

"There is none so blind as he who will not see"

- Anonymous

 

[Sabrina]

And you don't think it's possible that Timothy McVeigh simply latched onto this idea after reading the book? That he is, essentially, a copycat?

Since the man's a lunatic, he probably saw the similarity in names and thought it was a sign from on high, or some BS like that, telling him he had to carry it out like this.

I don't call it a coincidence; I call it being a copycat. In other words, apparently McVeigh had no originality.

 

[Revolutionary91]

Sabrini do you have any evidence for this?

 

[JimBenArm]

Sabrini do you have any evidence for this?

Do you have any that it's not true?

 

[Anti-sophist]

Sabrini do you have any evidence for this?

Do not shift the burden of proof. He claimed he could -prove- foreknowledge. That means he needs to disprove copycat as a possibility. Sabrini has exactly the same amount of evidence that you do that it was foreknowledge.

We now have three possible explanations: coincidence, copycat, foreknowledge.

As best as I can tell, we have no evidence that any are more correct then the others.

Seems to me you have alot of work to do to prove foreknowledge.

 

[krítique]

because it is the same exact plot on the same exact building by a man with the same exact name, and the same first name short 1 letter. the odds would be astronomical. like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row.

The name of the character in the book is actually Tom McVey, not McVeigh, and he is only one of a number of main characters.

The book was written upwards of four years before The OKC bombing, but it was not published until a year afterwards, in 1996.

 

[David Wong]

Okay, kids. Think about it from the conspirator's point of view.

Why in the world would they 1) hire a little-known writer to write about their plan ahead of time, in a book not many people will read, and 2) HAVE HIM LEAK THE NAME OF THE GUY THEY'RE GOING TO PIN IT ON IN THE BOOK!?!?!?!?

This is like those killtown photos of 9/11, where he thinks he sees symbols in the smoke that government put there using cgi holographic projectors. Even if it were possible, WHY?!?!?

 

[T.A.M.]

besides a similar plot prior to the crime, do you have any REAL EVIDENCE, or just speculation and opinion. You said you were going to provide evidence...I am waiting.

TAM

 

[asmodean]

NVM: Too slow in responding =)

 

[Par]

I am prepared to prove foreknowledge to the OKC bombing from government, and family members, as well as argue that this very well appears to have been an inside job.... lets start with the proving foreknowledge....

A governors brother wrote the book The Final Jihad: When the "Best of the Worst" Finally Come for Us

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before the oklahoma city bombings occurred. In the book Tom McVeigh does the same exact thing that Tim McVeigh did in real life. But I am sure you will tell me it is a coincidence down to the only difference being that his name was tom and not tim? =I don't think so.

Incidentally, are you suggesting that the author of the book carried out the bombing after having released his plot to the public in pulp-fiction form?

 

[MortFurd]

Really?

I'm finding a copyright date of 1996 for all copies. Even Amazon gives copyright of 1996.

Here's a rare book dealer with a first edition:
Copyright 1996.

Seems to me that there was plenty of time for the book to be written after April 19, 1995 and still be released in 1996.

Do you have a copyright or publication date from earlier than 1996?

I see on preview that others have found that the book was written as much as four years before it was published.

Still plenty of time to change a character's name. Search and replace in a text document is pretty quick, you know.

 

[Sabrina]

The name of the character in the book is actually Tom McVey, not McVeigh, and he is only one of a number of main characters.

The book was written upwards of four years before The OKC bombing, but it was not published until a year afterwards, in 1996.

So it's also entirely possible that the author changed the name of the person in a misguided attempt to relate to a previous tragedy as well, isn't it?

However, I've highlighted the most important part of this post, Fates and Rev; the book was not published until AFTER the OKC bombing. Kind of blows your theory of foreknowledge out of the water, doesn't it? Unless you can prove McVeigh knew the author. Can you?

ETA: Mort sort of beat me to it. *chuckles*

 

[beachnut]

FatesWebb, ifyou are real go preach this crap in OKC, go ahead, take Rev91 too

Oh im going to enjoy this thread. I got lots of lovely OKC evidence to post, but I won't steal Fates thunder just yet.

I predict the people here will call that book a coincidence. Can I enter randis million dollar challenge?

A real dumb kid bombed OKC. End of story. If anyone else had known there would have been no bombing. Only Tim, his partner and 2 others knew.
Single truck bomb, Tim, and old Tim waited to hear the bomb, got in his car drove up I-35 was stopped at place where it took the exact time to leave the scene in OKC on I-35.
If you know OKC the crime becomes so much worse. People from OKC will help you out and take care of you. I bet someone helped him park the truck as he placed it next to the day care center. His truck almost under the building.

Now you, a pathetic kid, will disrespect the very people who died and those from OKC who would even help you despite your support of liars on 9/11. Spin your sad pathetic tale of Tim, and know you are wrong. Wrong on 9/11, wrong on Apollo, and unable to answer simple questions. Post and run you pathetic CTer, you and Tim are so much alike.
No facts on this, no facts on 9/11, no facts on the moon. A no fact kind of guy, Rev91 and FatesW, two real dumb white guys with no clues.