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For 'Scooby'

Scooby, did you have anything to say about the link to the photo of steelworkers at GZ cutting columns at an angle? You know, the one you asked if anyone could post because it would clear up a red herring? Something like "You're right, the steelworkers did cut columns at an angle, and they do show that sort of residue" would be appropriate.

Dave

Yes, it is irrelevant.

It does nothing to confirm that this was the case with the steel beam in question, and is rendered useless in light of the fact that cuts like this were present in the debris before the cleanup operation began.

Good Lord, here it is again ...

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I have not accused the FDNY of anything and you know that full well. A pathetic attempt at misrepresentation that I can only laugh at. Nice try. 'Nil point'.

So Scooby, we can count you in as one that DOES NOT BELIEVE THE FDNY were involved in the alleged CD of WTC7. So how does your explanation of WTC7 go, and how does it allow the FDNY off the hook?

TAM:)
 
Yes, it is irrelevant.

It does nothing to confirm that this was the case with the steel beam in question, and is rendered useless in light of the fact that cuts like this were present in the debris before the cleanup operation began.

Good Lord, here it is again ...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/11/214131/AAACrossOriginal1024.jpg
1) You fail to state when/where the picture was taken, therefore your claim of "is rendered useless in light of the fact that cuts like this were present in the debris before the cleanup operation began" is unsubstantiated.
2) Stop changing the subject and answer the question regarding the speed of the collapse.
 
Prof Steve Jones was a lifelong Republican.

Source for this? Did he change his mind because of 9/11?

The overwhelming majority of Troothers are not just non-republican, but anti-republican.

You don't want to believe it, but the people that debunk your precious fantasy are from across the entire political spectrum.

Name calling.

I have done no such thing. Please point out where I have called anyone names.

More name calling - the official story is a conspiracy theory - very weak that one.

Not by the common definition of "conspiracy theory". Feel free to semantically hijack the phrase if you'd like, but the official account of 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory.

"architects, engineers, pilots, and people in other fields that directly relate to the incidents of 9/11. " - yup - that'd be the 911 Truth movement.

Really? Last I heard, there were 3 engineers in the Scholars. Three. The other Scholar "experts" are web designers, physicists, geologists, lawyers, and philosophers. Intelligent? Most likely. Do they have any related experience or education. No.

There are more engineers in this forum alone.

The reason I brought it up in the first place is because you questioned the skepticism of this forum. This forum is full of people with the exact knowledge, insight, and experience that relates to the events of 9/11. It is also filled with folks who are skeptical of extraordinary claims, be it bigfoot & ghosts, or conspiracy theories.

Go ahead, Scooby. Go to LCF or PFT. Go ahead and start a thread there where people can list there areas of expertise. You'll quickly find that the folks who are blindly accepting the 'science' of the scholars do not have the education or background to begin to understand what they are talking about. Chicken wire towers. Cardboard columns. Towers falling like trees. To anyone with an engineering background, these things are laughable.

No there is nothing funny about the 911 attack, what is funny, is the twists and turns that people will perform to disrupt honest discussion of the event.

Honest discussion is always allowed here (unlike truther sites, where anything other than blind beleif is followed by a banning). Speculation, hearsay, and rumor will require evidence to back it up.

In particular - what would your assessment be, of someone claiming to be a lifelong NY resident, extremely familiar with the city - who suddenly starts claiming that WTC7 is not WTC7 in an effort to discredit new information?

Would you ever listen to a person who claimed such a ludicrous thing - ever again?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Yes, it is irrelevant.

It does nothing to confirm that this was the case with the steel beam in question, and is rendered useless in light of the fact that cuts like this were present in the debris before the cleanup operation began.

Good Lord, here it is again ...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/11/214131/AAACrossOriginal1024.jpg

Ok, engineers:
Anyone want to break it to 'ol scoob the angle of the shear plane (the angle steel fails at under a combined stress failure) in a chunk of steel tends to take?
 
Let me get this straight.

If there was no evidence that these people were the hijackers, you'd be jumping up and down, saying that the list of terrorists involved is obviously made up because there IS no evidence.

Now, there IS evidence, and to you it means it is planted ?

Perhaps you'd care to be somewhat more consistent in your standards of evidence.


Did Atta take 2 suitcases?
 
It's unfortunate that you're still buying into that crap, because I initially thought you seemed more rational than the rest of the twoof numbskulls.

Maybe it was your attitudes around here. If anybody does come in looking to learn, most of you attack and sour them toward staying.
 
...If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so?
I've said it before, but here goes again:

Considering the immeasurable amount of work and resources it would require to pull off an "inside job" as is being proposed by 9/11 conspiracy theorists -- not only to plan, put into place, execute, and continue to cover up for all time -- evidence for it would be fairly dripping from the trees. Yet there isn't even a drop of morning dew on a single leaf.

Too, that people who would do such a thing for some nefarious reason or reasons haven't performed any follow-up event in order to maintain and further their goals might offer to suggest these people don't exist in the first place.

That none of this seems to register with various CTers is a source of curiosity to me.
 
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Look its all this 'strange 2' stuff - you've completely lost me there, I don't know what you're talking about.


'Strange 1' - UFO-Art Bell, NASA lies, NASA hiding aliens, New Agers, Woos, UFO Pukes, et al............

'Strange 2' - UFO-Art Bell, NASA lies, NASA hiding aliens, New Agers, Woos, UFO Pukes, 911 conspiracy cult, 'we killed our own', LC, et al............

An easier euphenism for the various 'Psychos-R-Us' crowds



If you've contacted the FDNY to verify information - good for you, but pass the verification on.



I have. Categorically. at the top of this thread post, for your purview personally.



I'm sure they are busy people (especially Melissa these days), and I'm not going to pester them with questions about 911 that they are probably sick of hearing. There are people in NY in the 911 Truth movement who are in a better position to do that than somebody overseas such as myself.



Good point but unfounded. Would you like me to set up an exchange personally for you at FDNY? What 'Strange 2' is enconsced with is felony defamation and is serious business in the US. Trust me on this. I intend to pursue this with extreme prejudice against all guilty parties of 'Strange 2'.



If this Melissa character or others at the FDNY are happy to receive correspondence from people questioning the 911 attacks - then the best thing you can do is post these contact details over at somewhere like 911blogger.com, where there may even be somebody who can arrange to walk in and speak to somebody face to face. As an FDNY first responder I don't think I'd be happy getting requests from strangers overseas to discuss controversial issues which have probably been discussed a million times. If this is the situation - maybe they could issue some sort of press release on their website to which you can forward people with minimal disruption?


Again, you are in error. In the US with something of this gravity they would welcome any and all inquiry. Melissa is not a 'character'. She is a civil servant under the employ of FDNY.



Also you should refrain from posting email addresses on the internet as they are frequently harvested by spammers and the result can be annoying at the very least.



You are incorrect. One cannot have it both ways; accusing people of murder --ala the 'Truth' movement and 911, and then hide behind anonymous cowardly names, handles, email accounts. That is felony defamation and so much more, and I have won on this within 'Strange 1' everytime. I will continue to post each and every contact email address, phone number and any other contact information for source, as I do myself for myself. If everyone in 'Strange 2' is correct, there should be no hesitation to be honest and up front.



But a question for you RAMS, you seem a decent stand up kind of guy - put yourself in our shoes. If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so? Would you logon to a forum like this and try to tell people about it - or even amongst your personal circle of friends - if you were convinced it was an inside job - would you say so?


Good ending to your post. Categorically not, without irrefutable data to counter. I challenged Art Bell and his guests on this topic, on his radio show, publicly, before he dumped after 19 minutes.

And just so you know, I have 3 degree in structure failure (air frame), mechanical failure, and a degree in advanced visual interpertation and why I am able to do things like this:

moonillusion.jpg

"Moon Illusion", in the collection of NASA. Digital, executed in Renderman, Particle motion FX


ID4_whitehouse.jpg

"Independence Day", a movie still from the movie. In the collection of Twentieth Century Fox


Alien_3.jpg

"Alien 3" a movie still. In the collection of Twentieth Century Fox.

...........and it is this topic, the actual visuals, since less than the .00004% of the viewing world was on locale at 911 day, it is up to those trained in visual interpetation to resolve the issues of 911.

And it is this that will dismantle 'Strange 2'

Thus, without mitigating fact of those visuals, you and I and the rest of the world were not there, would prohibit me from espousing anything without undeniable fact. Something that all conspiracy movements fail to do.

I have the ability and software to resolve through HST a license plate number on a car at 100 miles from low earth orbit. I can resolve if there was issues of malice concerning 911 day or missing visual data, along with professional analysis of same.

I would never engage as the 911 conspiracy crowd has done.

And the 'Truth' movement, 'Strange 2', the entire 911 conspiracy crowd is about to Reap The Whirlwind for that error.

Robert
 
I don't want to be accused of setting up any strawmen. Tell us what you feel the relevance and significance of two pieces of luggage would be?

If I was gonna be dead in an hour or so, I'd only take one bag!! (So I don't look suspicious carrying none). But why struggle with two? I have a lot on my mind at the moment, and I'm kinda stressing: why oh why oh why did I pack those extra sweaters! What a hassle.

Sorry, I don't believe in suicide hijackers. Not four in one day, and not this crew. They liked strippers and booze and cocaine and gambling (at Abramoff's casino boat) far too much to take one (four) for the team. These guys were more like, oh, I dunno; double agent patsies.

But, alas, I have no proof! Just Hopsicker's investigations in Florida, and all kinds of other hearsay. I'm sure it's all been "debunked" here. So, never mind.
 
If I was gonna be dead in an hour or so, I'd only take one bag!! (So I don't look suspicious carrying none). But why struggle with two? I have a lot on my mind at the moment, and I'm kinda stressing: why oh why oh why did I pack those extra sweaters! What a hassle.

Sorry, I don't believe in suicide hijackers. Not four in one day, and not this crew. They liked strippers and booze and cocaine and gambling (at Abramoff's casino boat) far too much to take one (four) for the team. These guys were more like, oh, I dunno; double agent patsies.

But, alas, I have no proof! Just Hopsicker's investigations in Florida, and all kinds of other hearsay. I'm sure it's all been "debunked" here. So, never mind.
Which means your entire argument boils down to post hoc rationalization and an argument from personal incredulity; neither or which will be convincing to the scientific/academic/legal communities at large.
 

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