For 'Scooby'

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/11/214131/AAACrossOriginal600.jpg

Even God's laughing - and firmly on board.
I think this photo is a sign - a sign of controlled demolition.

Anyone care to fabricate an explanation for what cut this beam at a perfect angle during the collapse?

God's thermics lance?
Divine preparation?

Did he smite it?
Because I think he's smiting you with this one.

Does your irrational belief in a diety prevent you from answering a simple question of, "What do you find wrong with the speed at which the towers collapsed?"

 

[beachnut]

CTers, no facts, no clue, just talk. See scooby posts for proof. Ruh Roh, did scooby say it was speed of WTC collapse that gave away the CD? Ruh Roh, did he do a detailed study? Can he point to multiple sources? Ruh Roh.

CTers can only ask quesions. What do you expect them to do, ask their experts? So scooby did you pick your name because you are as good at research as scooby is? Ruh Roh, Res. Or Ruh Roh Rno?

 

[Belz...]

If you think I'm going to pester a stranger at the FDNY, at the suggestion of an anonymous poster on a forum occupied by lets face it - extremely dubious characters -

"Let's face it" ? Exactly how are we "dubious" ?

 

[Belz...]

They sure did! Left a hell of a nice convenient trail. Almost as if somebody planted it.

Let me get this straight.

If there was no evidence that these people were the hijackers, you'd be jumping up and down, saying that the list of terrorists involved is obviously made up because there IS no evidence.

Now, there IS evidence, and to you it means it is planted ?

Perhaps you'd care to be somewhat more consistent in your standards of evidence.

 

[RAMS]

Oh I'm not challenging the fact you paint for NASA, just making a quip about the recent kidnapping debacle. And I've already seen your blog. Nice artwork.

Why don't you have a name? I do.

Thank you for finally responding in a coherent way, with some forethought on what you write, claim, suggest, and conclude and run away with.

I am still not clear on a 'kidnapping'. Forgive my density.

Also thank you for the compliment on my work, something in point I'm going to use publicily or legally if it comes to that.

If you can point us to a link to that photo in the archive - I've looked for the archive but it doesn't exactly leap to the fore, please do.

This is good. I did what you are afraid to do, for whatever your reason. In frustration, like most of 'Strange 2' frustration, I began searching for a legitmate contact at FDNY to clear up my own questions, categortically, so I would not look empty or stuid by the time I posted data regarding same. I strongly suggest perhaps 'Strange 2' should do the same...... a little research first, post, and run--never.

You see, it is important that the 911 Truth movement police itself and only utilise solid information in its education of the remaining public about what really happened on 911. It is important to eliminate red herrings and speculation about photographs that people generally aren't aware of the exact origin of, though this is a minor one.

It is of the utmost importance, that photo, since hoards of sites that are of Strange 2 use it, including the founding popes of Strange 2, Steven E. Jones and James H. Fetzer, who are now divided as is all of the 911 conspiracy madness, seemingly to rupture inward like a controlled demolition almost.


That photo is the most signifigant of much of Strange 2 to make its claims. Now the source is verified which renders the question surrounding it, null.

There were no explosives or predetermined intent of malice in any form at any location at the WTC complex on 911 day or thereafter.

So please, just give us the link, you'd be doing us a favour - or a link to the archive - if there's 9000 photo's in there I'd love a browse. There might even be some of the cleanup operation showing them using thermic lances to cut beams like this in an angled manner, as they do in demolitions. This I think would settle the argument - and would be something useful to confirm so that we can eliminate this red herring once and for all.

Sure. Here is the contact information for you, straight from the source so there is no misinformation or confusion on subject;

Here is your contact information again for you:

(718)-999-2845/1234 FDNY

or email Melissa Smith: smithma@fdny.nyc.gov

Melissa will send you to First Responders who will verify the many accurate responses so posted by many here in this thread as linked, concerning that photo and many like it posted all over the net.

Strangely, that contact information that I have provided for you, directly, over 100 posts ago, is at the top of this thread topic, first post, directed at you for your preusal.

Either way, they're brave men in the photo whoever they are, climbing all over the place like that with their masks off, knowing there's asbestos everywhere.

Yes, brave indeed. No, at that time, at the 3 week mark, amongst the mriad of confusions, few were aware, if at all, of the toxity of the debris field at the WTc complex. According to FDNY, no one even suspected at that point that there would be health reprocussions thereafter for those thus afflicted later.

I hope you will address that your claim and post to the contrary, is in error, as that is how this works. Many are going to have to do so within 'Strange 2' either in public forums or in court or in both. That is how dissent and truth works. Felony slander is serious business. Trust me on this.

I trust you will do the same.

Thank you again for responding in good fashion.

(As a side note, I am now interfacing with Jones, and have joined here, one of the major sources for Strange 2. http://stj911.org/ This is target number 1 if this proceeds to litigation)


I am,

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

 

[Belz...]

The world is still laughing about KSM's "confession". No time to laugh about one-way-skeptics.

It's unfortunate that you're still buying into that crap, because I initially thought you seemed more rational than the rest of the twoof numbskulls.

 

[Belz...]

Absolutely no progress in your posts, Pardalis. Boring. You seem to be puzzled all the time.

@skepticalcriticalguy: Wrong, in JREF-Land hidden agendas don't exist at all. Only woo-woo-fighting skeptics and stupid idiots. That's the problem. Have fun!

Seems I was terribly wrong about you.

Well...

 

[Belz...]

I've never claimed it is proof of anything - I have merely made the correct observation - that it is exactly the same as a demolition cut, as indeed have others.

None of whom actually DO demolition cuts.

Now when you have a situation where a building has been brought down by explosives, and this has already been demonstrated by a wealth of other information, in particular - the speed of the collapses - occams razor dictates that absent any other information, the safest assumption to make is that these are demolition cuts.

This, however, would be circular reasoning, because there IS no evidence that the building was brought down with explosives.

And similarly the claim on Sept 11th, that the whole thing was a complete surprise, yet they produced a complete list of perpetrators on Sept 12th?

How does that point to a demolition ?

Okay scooby. What was wrong with the speed of the collapses?

I'm sure somebody here can point you to a thread on this forum where the subject has been dealt with in a manner acceptable to yourself.

Yeah, but then that wouldn't look very good for you.

Another observation that might be useful - the join dates of the members on this forum. What are the odds that there was a rush of membership applications in the last two years - since films like Loose Change gained prominence? I notice most of them in here are recent.

For your information, brains, I joined in October 2005, at least 4 months before I even heard of this ridiculous conspiracy theory. I found out about the site through either CSICOP or Internet Infidels.

What are the odds that a group of people who all joined up in this period - all post in here, systematically challenging anyone who is skeptical of the official story in any way?

It's absolutely transparent - because the whole thing is the ultimate orwellian appeal to authority.

I think you need to take a break from the basement, and breathe some real air. Because I think you're out of touch with the real world. No one in his right mind interprets mere disagreement as willful adversity.

That's why I take pleasure in pointing out that debate is not necessary

Of course. And by the same token you make sure that any and all arguments brought forth by your opponents can be ignored, and never adressed. This is a very convenient way of hiding your ignorance. Unfortunately, most people here can see right through this "clever" scheme.

911 is a one way trip - waking everybody up to the real state of the world we live in.

You get 'em, Mulder.

No forget 911 being an inside job - apply your critical thinking skills to the official story, it has 'weaknesses' - how many can you spot and what are they?

Every story has weaknesses. You know why ? Because "complete pictures" of reality are often based on eyewitnesses and memory. And, unless you're a complete ignoramus, you should know how reliable those are.

And none of the "weaknesses" in the "official" story have anything to do with the physics of 7 WTC's collapse, for example.

Caught in the headlights with no coherent story - F*CKED. It was hilarious.

I'm happy to see that this is funny business, to you.

 

[Belz...]

"architects, engineers, pilots, and people in other fields that directly relate to the incidents of 9/11. " - yup - that'd be the 911 Truth movement.

Oh, no. Don't mind me. Continue... name them.

In particular - what would your assessment be, of someone claiming to be a lifelong NY resident, extremely familiar with the city - who suddenly starts claiming that WTC7 is not WTC7 in an effort to discredit new information?

Unless I were a telepath, I'd say he's mistaken.

Steel cross found in WTC ruins.

Your point ?

I think this photo is a sign - a sign of controlled demolition.

Soooo... let me understand your position, here. You guys think that the fact that there is a cross-shaped piece of junk in the debris of the WTC towers means that God is on your side, and that 9/11 was an inside job ?

Why can't it mean that God is telling you to shut the **** up ?

Somehow I'm not surprised that you turned out to be a religious nut.

 

[Belz...]

He did say it was "...to manipulate, degrade or destroy the global Al-Qaeda infrastructure." (Emphasis added).

When an operation is given the task of manipulating a terrorist network, voila; that is a handler.

Oh NO! He said "manipulate". Here's our pwoof!!

Which brings up a question I have; do any of you think that the truth movement is trying to overthrow the government? Like a coup? Create a power void, and then fill it with their own?

I think they're trying to get mama's attention. They're far too lazy to get that job done.

A slight tweak, and suddenly, rather than disrupting communications and intelligence, they could be assisting it.

Speculation.

"Manipulate, degrade or destroy." Emphasis added. "Or" is an interesting word here.

Emphasis added. Are you a sock puppet for "T'ai Chi" ? You use the same words...

 

[scooby]

What? No right angles were used in the construction of the WTC towers?

Care to clarify?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Care to clarify?

Does your irrational belief in a diety prevent you from answering a simple question of, "What do you find wrong with the speed at which the towers collapsed?"

 

[scooby]

CTers, no facts, no clue, just talk. See scooby posts for proof. Ruh Roh, did scooby say it was speed of WTC collapse that gave away the CD? Ruh Roh, did he do a detailed study? Can he point to multiple sources? Ruh Roh.

CTers can only ask quesions. What do you expect them to do, ask their experts? So scooby did you pick your name because you are as good at research as scooby is? Ruh Roh, Res. Or Ruh Roh Rno?

Yes it is a pretty damning photo I agree.

 

[scooby]

Why don't you have a name? I do.

Thank you for finally responding in a coherent way, with some forethought on what you write, claim, suggest, and conclude and run away with.

I am still not clear on a 'kidnapping'. Forgive my density.

Also thank you for the compliment on my work, something in point I'm going to use publicily or legally if it comes to that.

This is good. I did what you are afraid to do, for whatever your reason. In frustration, like most of 'Strange 2' frustration, I began searching for a legitmate contact at FDNY to clear up my own questions, categortically, so I would not look empty or stuid by the time I posted data regarding same. I strongly suggest perhaps 'Strange 2' should do the same...... a little research first, post, and run--never.

It is of the utmost importance, that photo, since hoards of sites that are of Strange 2 use it, including the founding popes of Strange 2, Steven E. Jones and James H. Fetzer, who are now divided as is all of the 911 conspiracy madness, seemingly to rupture inward like a controlled demolition almost.

That photo is the most signifigant of much of Strange 2 to make its claims. Now the source is verified which renders the question surrounding it, null.

There were no explosives or predetermined intent of malice in any form at any location at the WTC complex on 911 day or thereafter.

Sure. Here is the contact information for you, straight from the source so there is no misinformation or confusion on subject;

Here is your contact information again for you:

(718)-999-2845/1234 FDNY

or email Melissa Smith: smithma@fdny.nyc.gov

Melissa will send you to First Responders who will verify the many accurate responses so posted by many here in this thread as linked, concerning that photo and many like it posted all over the net.

Strangely, that contact information that I have provided for you, directly, over 100 posts ago, is at the top of this thread topic, first post, directed at you for your preusal.

Yes, brave indeed. No, at that time, at the 3 week mark, amongst the mriad of confusions, few were aware, if at all, of the toxity of the debris field at the WTc complex. According to FDNY, no one even suspected at that point that there would be health reprocussions thereafter for those thus afflicted later.

I hope you will address that your claim and post to the contrary, is in error, as that is how this works. Many are going to have to do so within 'Strange 2' either in public forums or in court or in both. That is how dissent and truth works. Felony slander is serious business. Trust me on this.

I trust you will do the same.

Thank you again for responding in good fashion.

(As a side note, I am now interfacing with Jones, and have joined here, one of the major sources for Strange 2. http://stj911.org/ This is target number 1 if this proceeds to litigation)


I am,

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel

Look its all this 'strange 2' stuff - you've completely lost me there, I don't know what you're talking about.

If you've contacted the FDNY to verify information - good for you, but pass the verification on. I'm sure they are busy people (especially Melissa these days), and I'm not going to pester them with questions about 911 that they are probably sick of hearing. There are people in NY in the 911 Truth movement who are in a better position to do that than somebody overseas such as myself. If this Melissa character or others at the FDNY are happy to receive correspondence from people questioning the 911 attacks - then the best thing you can do is post these contact details over at somewhere like 911blogger.com, where there may even be somebody who can arrange to walk in and speak to somebody face to face. As an FDNY first responder I don't think I'd be happy getting requests from strangers overseas to discuss controversial issues which have probably been discussed a million times. If this is the situation - maybe they could issue some sort of press release on their website to which you can forward people with minimal disruption?

Also you should refrain from posting email addresses on the internet as they are frequently harvested by spammers and the result can be annoying at the very least.

But a question for you RAMS, you seem a decent stand up kind of guy - put yourself in our shoes. If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so? Would you logon to a forum like this and try to tell people about it - or even amongst your personal circle of friends - if you were convinced it was an inside job - would you say so?

 

[DavidJames]

But a question for you RAMS, you seem a decent stand up kind of guy - put yourself in our shoes. If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so? Would you logon to a forum like this and try to tell people about it - or even amongst your personal circle of friends - if you were convinced it was an inside job - would you say so?

I won't speak for RAMS, but if I were convinced I knew who the conspirators behind the murder of 3000 people were, I would not be posting on Internet forums. I would personally be knocking down doors of police, lawyers, the insurance agency's involved, district attorney's, and any others I feel could take the next steps to achieve justice.

The last thing I would do is post on Internet forums. That's why I consider you and the other tin hatters frauds and a cowards.

 

[Papermache]

If you've contacted the FDNY to verify information - good for you, but pass the verification on. I'm sure they are busy people (especially Melissa these days), and I'm not going to pester them with questions about 911 that they are probably sick of hearing.

Ladies and Gentlemen - the truth movement. Presented with an opportunity to get information straight from the source, the answer is "I'm not going to pester them." Oh, I'll say the FDNY ordered the demolition of WT7, I'll imply that they are corrupt frauds, directly involved or concealing mass murder -- but talk to one of them? Gosh, no, that would be pestering.

 

[Augustine]

Look its all this 'strange 2' stuff - you've completely lost me there, I don't know what you're talking about.

If you've contacted the FDNY to verify information - good for you, but pass the verification on. I'm sure they are busy people (especially Melissa these days), and I'm not going to pester them with questions about 911 that they are probably sick of hearing. There are people in NY in the 911 Truth movement who are in a better position to do that than somebody overseas such as myself. If this Melissa character or others at the FDNY are happy to receive correspondence from people questioning the 911 attacks - then the best thing you can do is post these contact details over at somewhere like 911blogger.com, where there may even be somebody who can arrange to walk in and speak to somebody face to face. As an FDNY first responder I don't think I'd be happy getting requests from strangers overseas to discuss controversial issues which have probably been discussed a million times. If this is the situation - maybe they could issue some sort of press release on their website to which you can forward people with minimal disruption?

Also you should refrain from posting email addresses on the internet as they are frequently harvested by spammers and the result can be annoying at the very least.

But a question for you RAMS, you seem a decent stand up kind of guy - put yourself in our shoes. If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so? Would you logon to a forum like this and try to tell people about it - or even amongst your personal circle of friends - if you were convinced it was an inside job - would you say so?

This is the most ridiculously intellectually evasive thing I have read. This is why any sane person gets frustrated with the CT crowd - the continual shifting of the goalposts. Why do you not simply contact the FDNY through phone or email?? RAMS has done the heavy lifting for you; HE has done your research FOR YOU. Yet, instead of accepting what he tells you as truth, or confiming it as he has provided you the FDNY contact information, you insist that he provide the contact information to one of your kook websites so they can tell you - and then you'll believe it. Let me ask you - what have you done that would lead anyone to believe that you would accept a FDNY press release on this photo as truth? Why would anyone expect a CT website to acknowledge a mistake when NO INDIVIDUAL CT BELIEVER can acknowledge one?? All you have to do is say, "wow, I guess that photo was taken much later, not in the immediate aftermath like I implied" - and YOU CAN'T DO IT!!

You think is some kind of sinister CT and martial law is coming, etc. etc., and you can't even shoot an email to someone because you're too damn thoughtful to pester them?!? oh, scoob, you are TOO RICH!!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Scooby, did you have anything to say about the link to the photo of steelworkers at GZ cutting columns at an angle? You know, the one you asked if anyone could post because it would clear up a red herring? Something like "You're right, the steelworkers did cut columns at an angle, and they do show that sort of residue" would be appropriate.

Dave

 

[scooby]

Ladies and Gentlemen - the truth movement. Presented with an opportunity to get information straight from the source, the answer is "I'm not going to pester them." Oh, I'll say the FDNY ordered the demolition of WT7, I'll imply that they are corrupt frauds, directly involved or concealing mass murder -- but talk to one of them? Gosh, no, that would be pestering.

I have not accused the FDNY of anything and you know that full well. A pathetic attempt at misrepresentation that I can only laugh at. Nice try. 'Nil point'.

 

[RAMS]

I won't speak for RAMS, but if I were convinced I knew who the conspirators behind the murder of 3000 people were, I would not be posting on Internet forums. I would personally be knocking down doors of police, lawyers, the insurance agency's involved, district attorney's, and any others I feel could take the next steps to achieve justice.

The last thing I would do is post on Internet forums. That's why I consider you and the other tin hatters frauds and a cowards.

Being absolutely objective, I agree with you 100%. I dealt with this before with the UFO-Art Bell crowd. Litigate, or shut up

RAMS