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Flu Flim Flam's First Victim

Rouser2

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Item: "A 79-year-old woman who stood in line outside a supermarket for more than five hours waiting for a flu shot collapsed and later died, the woman's daughter said. "
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041016/ap_on_re_us/flu_vaccine_death_3

The public is now in full panic over what now has become a scarcity of the current Flu Vaccine, however dubious is its value. Does the Flu Vaccine even work? John Keller at Lou Rockwell.com digs into the maze of dubious stats issued by the CDC and the Flu Vaccine industry to panic-sell the public into acts of desperation to get their Flu shots:

Bottom Line:

* "The flu kills fewer than 1,000 people on average, not 36,000 (as advertised)"

* "Flu Vaccine is of highly dubious effectiveness"

* "The CDC and Vaccine Manufacturers are in closed door sessions with the primary stated purpose of boosting vaccination numbers by spreading fear "

http://www.lewrockwell.com/keller/keller20.html
 
Oh bother, here we go AGAIN.

People will die hours afte a flu shot, or days, because they were going to die even if they didn't get the flu shot. Unless every person who got the flu shot dies after a few hours, then your little post here is completely pointless, as usual.

Yes, dig for every anti-vaccine argument you want, but it won't change the facts. The fact is that the flu kills. The flu vaccine does not.

Yawn. Nothing new here.
 
FRom the article:

Franklin died from her injuries on Thursday, according to the country coroner's office. "She was standing the entire time, with nowhere to sit and no shade," Poulos said.
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Pathetic, Rouser, just completely and utterly pathetic.
 
post hoc ergo propter hoc.

If you don't reckon the benefits outweigh the risks, don't get the vaccine. We all have a choice.

I'm booked in for mine .... miniscule risk, and the benefit of not getting an inconvenient illness that nails me to the bed for a few days every year.

That Keller link is a joke. Can you seriously tell me you didn't see the flaws in it?
 
It's a known fact that flu gives you cancer! She probably had a mammogram sometime in her life. And she was probably around things like microwaves, TV's, radios, etc etc etc. It was the cancer that killed her... and the flu shot was also full of cancer causing drugs that would ensure her demise.
 
As far as I can find out from the news coverage, she didn't actually receive the vaccine, but collapsed after queuing in the sun for several hours, and hit her head. Perhaps Rouser should start a campaign to abolish queues, or to have the sun switched off? Or perhaps to make crash helmets compulsory for senior citizens?

All we need now is for Kumar to turn up and claim she died of some kind of quantum or magnetic effect caused by proximity to the vaccine...
 
Aw, come on guys, Rouser's onto something here. We should take advantage of it whenever we're confronted with the "no side-effects" arguments for alt med. We simply need to compile a list of all fatal accidents of people being alt med treated. Everybody who dies coincidentally. The numbers are staggering!

"Man dies in head-on collision while traveling to chiropractor's office." Score one against chiropractic.

"Woman chokes on gingko pill." Score one against DSHEA.

And on and on. Personally, I'm thrilled about the research possibilities here.

Stop frowning, Eos.
 
As a healthcare worker, it's important that I'm covered in case I'm exposed and so I can continue working taking care of sick people without the risk of passing the disease to them. It's a matter of priority and responsibility, and this necessitates a quantity of the extremely limited supply of vaccine this year going to those of us who will benefit not only ourselves but those we treat as well.

To that end, I got my flu shot this past Thursday and... nope... not dead yet (probably much to the chagrin of Rouser). :D

-TT
 
A Nation Of Sheep

Item:
"October 15, 2004 -- Hundreds of desperate seniors, shrugging off a steady drizzle that could give them a cold, endured a bone-chilling four hours yesterday to get flu shots at a city clinic in Chelsea...."Why does it take that long to get a shot?" fumed a frustrated Kathy Mitchell, who said she would try again today.
The seniors began lining up at the clinic at Ninth Avenue and 28th Street at 6 a.m. About 21/2 hours later, clinic employees gave out waiting-line numbers to about 250 of those in line.
Two hours later, three dozen of those who didn't have numbers left, saying they couldn't take it any more.
Among those who decided to wait was a woman whose adult son has leukemia.
"I will kill if I have to for a shot for my son," she said. "His immune system is flat."

""Am I happy? No," she said. "Is it worth it? Yes. I'm protected for another year."
It was still dark when Jude Hunt, 64, arrived at the Chelsea clinic at 6 a.m.
"I was 10th on line," said Hunt, 64, who suffers from severe asthma.
She got her shot four hours later.
"Because of my asthma it's worth it, but they knew this was going to be a problem," she said. "They should have worked it out."
The flu-shot crisis began last week"
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/30417.htm

Comment: A nation of sheep, desperate to get injected with:

Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Phenol,
Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent
Aluminum, which is associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures and also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)
Thimerosal (a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease..
And assorted animal tissues -- all in order to avail advertised protection from this year's hypthetical flu epidemic using last year's flu strains.

You can fool some of the people all of the time...
 
Rouser, those people fooled all of the time includes YOU. But you aren't fooling us. Try finishing your quotes properly next time:

The flu-shot crisis began last week when the British government, concerned about possible contamination, shut down the Chiron Corp. plant in Liverpool, where about half of the U.S. supply of vaccine is manufactured.

As a result, only 55 million of the usual 95 million doses will be available.
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That sort of tactic of quoting out of context and misquoting for effect is typical fundie moron tactics.
 
Geez Rouser, haven't you learned we check things out?

Well, considering you never learn anything...

Rats. So very predictable. I was hoping some people weren't hopeless lost causes, but I'll save that hope for somebody else that might come along sometime.
 
Rouser2 said:
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Phenol,
Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent
Aluminum, which is associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures and also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)
Thimerosal (a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease..
And assorted animal tissues -- all in order to avail advertised protection from this year's hypthetical flu epidemic using last year's flu strains.[/B]
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You know the drill...most of those horrible additives of which you speak are in such minute quantities that they are unlikely to cause harm. I'm sure you're aware of that, yet continue to spew that list of "toxic chemicals" in a pathetic attempt to scare people out of vaccinating.

Would you rather see the elderly and babies die of the flu or flu-related complications (thus the 36,000 number - 1,000 or so die of the flu each year, but many more die of complications related to the flu) than those in high-risk groups be protected from the disease.?
 
sodakboy93 said:

Would you rather see the elderly and babies die of the flu or flu-related complications (thus the 36,000 number - 1,000 or so die of the flu each year, but many more die of complications related to the flu) than those in high-risk groups be protected from the disease.?
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I wonder in what way those numbers would be different if we weren't hospitalising thousand upon thousand old and vulnerable folk suffering from the flu every winter?

Yikes! maybe even more would be dying.
 
The old nasty excipients card again.

Aluminium is in higher quantities in breastmilk than in vaccines.
Formaldehyde is in our blood stream in higher quantities too.
This has been published

It's all down to the concentrations. No one seems to complain about chlorine in our drinking water which is a pretty nasty poison in high enough amounts.

Both my son (9 years old, mildly asthmatic) and I (perk of job) have had the flu jab. It was entirely uneventful for both of us.
 
Capsid said:
The old nasty excipients card again.

Aluminium is in higher quantities in breastmilk than in vaccines.
Formaldehyde is in our blood stream in higher quantities too.
This has been published

It's all down to the concentrations. No one seems to complain about chlorine in our drinking water which is a pretty nasty poison in high enough amounts.

Both my son (9 years old, mildly asthmatic) and I (perk of job) have had the flu jab. It was entirely uneventful for both of us.
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Comment: A careful reading of the reference, does not inspire confidence, the upbeat summary notwithstanding. A lack of evidence for an adverse reaction is not evidence that there are no adverse reactions. And there is indeed evidence for some adverse reactions as pointed out in the body of the abstract.
 
sodakboy93 said:
You know the drill...most of those horrible additives of which you speak are in such minute quantities that they are unlikely to cause harm. I'm sure you're aware of that, yet continue to spew that list of "toxic chemicals" in a pathetic attempt to scare people out of vaccinating.

Would you rather see the elderly and babies die of the flu or flu-related complications (thus the 36,000 number - 1,000 or so die of the flu each year, but many more die of complications related to the flu) than those in high-risk groups be protected from the disease.?
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Probably your best chance of catching the Flu (whatever that is, or may be) is to avail yourself of a Flu shot.
 
Originally posted by Rouser2
Comment: A careful reading of the reference, does not inspire confidence, the upbeat summary notwithstanding. A lack of evidence for an adverse reaction is not evidence that there are no adverse reactions. And there is indeed evidence for some adverse reactions as pointed out in the body of the abstract.
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Exactly, just like lack of evidence of the teapot in orbit around Saturn is no evidence that it isn't really there.
 
Rouser2 said:
Probably your best chance of catching the Flu (whatever that is, or may be) is to avail yourself of a Flu shot.
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Interesting ... I'm about to get mine ... I normally get something with influenza like symptoms over winter. Please explain, with numbers how much more or less likely this is to happen this year (my first 'jabbed').

Show your working and necessary supporting evidence.
 
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