Flight 93

[Jackanory]

The point that has been made and conceded is that the alleged plane wreckage has been intentionally lost, destoryed and otherwise mishandled.

I agree.

You have intentionally lost the wreckage and any evidence that supports its existence and lost the plot.

You have certainly destoryed 911. Destoryed is very apt. Your subconscience wringing your neck i think.

You have certainly mishandled everything you have ever read or heard about 911.

I expect that you have by now contacted at least one of those people we have been discussing. The coroner at least? You quoted him. You implied he didnt see anything. You have his direct number. You want answers. Did you clarify anything with him? A true seeker of truth would have jumped at the chance. Yet you did nothing at all except piss about on here.

The jig is up. You are a cowardly Troll!

 

[jammonius]

Hey! A handful of people in the world don't believe a plane crashed in Shanksville. The US government needs to appease these people (or they will be sad).

dgm,

Yup, one can always, always revert to the emotional attachment to the common myth when all else fails. Since everybody believes it, why confront the failure to prove what happened at Shanksville? Answer: No need to do that at all.

And, more to the real point and the actual issue:

Since the US has illegally invaded other countries, tortured other people, spent $1trillion, bankrupted itself, financially and morally, we may as well continue to pretend 9/11 happened the way it was presented to us as having happened, otherwise we'd have to confront the possibility we are a sick, sad, basket case of a nation that is in need of a serious re-setting of priorities and governmental processes.

Here's the deal: Things are going to fall apart and be rebuilt one way or another. The question is what faction(s) will take the lead? Will it be those who are like Joe Stack? The teabaggers? Palinites? Who?

Sitting still and ignoring the need for accountability is not an option, posters. Will any of you get with it before it's too late for an orderly process of demanding accountability to have a chance to work?

 

[DGM]

dgm,

Yup, one can always, always revert to the emotional attachment to the common myth when all else fails. Since everybody believes it, why confront the failure to prove what happened at Shanksville? Answer: No need to do that at all.

There is proof, you just choose not to accept it. Like your delusion of no piles of steel in NYC.

And, more to the real point and the actual issue:

Since the US has illegally invaded other countries, tortured other people, spent $1trillion, bankrupted itself, financially and morally, we may as well continue to pretend 9/11 happened the way it was presented to us as having happened, otherwise we'd have to confront the possibility we are a sick, sad, basket case of a nation that is in need of a serious re-setting of priorities and governmental processes.

Here's the deal: Things are going to fall apart and be rebuilt one way or another. The question is what faction(s) will take the lead? Will it be those who are like Joe Stack? The teabaggers? Palinites? Who?

Sitting still and ignoring the need for accountability is not an option, posters. Will any of you get with it before it's too late for an orderly process of demanding accountability to have a chance to work?

Uneducated political rant.

 

[BigAl]

dgm,

Yup, one can always, always revert to the emotional attachment to the common myth when all else fails. Since everybody believes it, why confront the failure to prove what happened at Shanksville?

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark (as identified by DNA) get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later?

 

[aggle-rithm]

dgm,

Yup, one can always, always revert to the emotional attachment to the common myth when all else fails. Since everybody believes it, why confront the failure to prove what happened at Shanksville? Answer: No need to do that at all.

Correct, since you're the only one they have failed to prove it to, and you don't matter.

And, more to the real point and the actual issue:

Since the US has illegally invaded other countries, tortured other people, spent $1trillion, bankrupted itself, financially and morally, we may as well continue to pretend 9/11 happened the way it was presented to us as having happened, otherwise we'd have to confront the possibility we are a sick, sad, basket case of a nation that is in need of a serious re-setting of priorities and governmental processes.

Since it's your issue, it's your problem.

Here's the deal: Things are going to fall apart and be rebuilt one way or another. The question is what faction(s) will take the lead? Will it be those who are like Joe Stack? The teabaggers? Palinites? Who?

One thing is certain: Not you.

Sitting still and ignoring the need for accountability is not an option, posters. Will any of you get with it before it's too late for an orderly process of demanding accountability to have a chance to work?

Since no one is accountable to you personally, I really don't think it's an issue.

This is your fantasy, YOUR problem. YOU deal with it.

 

[Gamolon]

Quick question (or maybe not) for someone.

How is the altitude for a plane determined? For example, if a plane is said to be flying at 30,000 feet, is that true distance from ground to plane(apporx.)? So for example, if the plane were to fly over a mountain range, does the altitude number change?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jackanory]

dgm,

Yup, one can always, always revert to the emotional attachment to the common myth when all else fails. Since everybody believes it, why confront the failure to prove what happened at Shanksville? Answer: No need to do that at all.

And, more to the real point and the actual issue:

Since the US has illegally invaded other countries, tortured other people, spent $1trillion, bankrupted itself, financially and morally, we may as well continue to pretend 9/11 happened the way it was presented to us as having happened, otherwise we'd have to confront the possibility we are a sick, sad, basket case of a nation that is in need of a serious re-setting of priorities and governmental processes.

Here's the deal: Things are going to fall apart and be rebuilt one way or another. The question is what faction(s) will take the lead? Will it be those who are like Joe Stack? The teabaggers? Palinites? Who?

Sitting still and ignoring the need for accountability is not an option, posters. Will any of you get with it before it's too late for an orderly process of demanding accountability to have a chance to work?

He he he he he he he he lol. We cant help you with your dillusions. Stamping your feet like a spoilt child wont get you anywhere. Talk about the blame culture in society.

Accountability starts with you! You want it -you need to find the person you want it from. To do that you need evidence - not talk and batcrap. You dont have any evidence to support your calls for accountability. Get some, then take it to who? Who ya gonna take it to? When?In your quest for truth have you contacted anyone at all? The coroner who's direct number you have?

Silent talk talk from a coward truth seeker. Full of hot air. Predictable.

KSM is accountable. He admits his guilt. Take your talk and evidence to his lawyers. Want their address?

 

[twinstead]

This is your fantasy, YOUR problem. YOU deal with it.

Indeed. When talking to people like jammonius who are impervious to reason, the only thing that is left is this.

jammonius, you think you're right? Then convince somebody who can actually DO something about it that you're not just some nut endlessly debating an untenable position on a relatively obscure internet forum.

What else is there to say?

 

[dtugg]

Quick question (or maybe not) for someone.

How is the altitude for a plane determined? For example, if a plane is said to be flying at 30,000 feet, is that true distance from ground to plane(apporx.)? So for example, if the plane were to fly over a mountain range, does the altitude number change?

Thanks in advance.

This would be by feet above sea level, and it is measured with a simple barometric altimeter.

 

[TJM]

Bump

I eagerly await yet another pointless wall of text. Honestly, it's like ULTIMA1 bought a thesaurus.*



*not a sock puppet allegation. What's Roger up to now, ULTIMA54?

 

[Gamolon]

This would be by feet above sea level, and it is measured with a simple barometric altimeter.

Thanks.

 

[I Ratant]

Quick question (or maybe not) for someone.

How is the altitude for a plane determined? For example, if a plane is said to be flying at 30,000 feet, is that true distance from ground to plane(apporx.)? So for example, if the plane were to fly over a mountain range, does the altitude number change?

Thanks in advance.

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Atmospheric pressure.
The variations in terrain beneath the plane don't affect that.
Other sensors will measure distance to terrain beneath, and when the distance is diminishing rapidly, can, at times when ground clearance is important, warn the pilots.
Flying into Burbank, landing on the north-south runway, the mountains to the north will trigger the terrain avoidance system.
Amusing/interesting to hear that go off when the cockpit door is open and we passengers can hear it. (note: that's pre 9/11)

 

[lapman]

good day posters,

As I had indicated on pg. 14, THE JIG IS UP. Some of you are still dancing around. Stop. The issue is no longer whether this evidence is better than that evidence; this picture clearer than that one; this witness statement more accurate than that one; or this is what the witness really meant versus this is not what the witness meant.

Oh, since you posted a cherry picked quote you think you've won? Oh yeah, I forgot. You think that this:

came from one of these:

Then goes on to claim that only a couple of items survived while ignoring the pictures on this page. You can cherry pick all you want. I look at the full body of evidence. The preponderance of evidence shows that flight 93 was hijacked and then crashed in Shanksville after the passengers revolted. I will continue to believe what the evidence shows until real evidence proves otherwise. You can continue to spew the CT myth all you want and claim that everything that has been shown you doesn't exist and only surround yourself with your <1% of the actual evidence that you can twist to support your delusion.

 

[beachnut]

... Sitting still and ignoring the need for accountability is not an option, posters. Will any of you get with it before it's too late for an orderly process of demanding accountability to have a chance to work?

Are you related to Tim McVeigh? Do you have an airplane? Owe back taxes? You can't distinguish between an aircraft fuselage and a horse-trailer, or a jet engine and wheel cover, and you have this insane idea a Beam Weapon did the WTC in. No planes, just talk of your hate of the FBI, and apologizing for terrorists by making up wild stories about 911.

Is no child left behind complete failure? Are your posts the proof? Your paranoid anti-government posts are a failure when you present lies and delusions. Really, a wheel cover? Most moronic identification.

No need to make up stuff about the government to protest policy and hold your elected officials feet to the fire; you have picked nut case delusions to make your case and failed. If you are going to blame the government for your problems get the facts straight and gain some knowledge. Learn to identify aircraft parts, kids in kindergarten can do it, why can't you.

 

[aggle-rithm]

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Atmospheric pressure.
The variations in terrain beneath the plane don't affect that.
Other sensors will measure distance to terrain beneath, and when the distance is diminishing rapidly, can, at times when ground clearance is important, warn the pilots.
Flying into Burbank, landing on the north-south runway, the mountains to the north will trigger the terrain avoidance system.
Amusing/interesting to hear that go off when the cockpit door is open and we passengers can hear it. (note: that's pre 9/11)

I remember seeing something about a flight where a maintenance worker left a piece of tape on the vent leading to the barometer...the altimeter didn't work properly, and the pilot flew into the terrain because of the faulty readings. Scary how such a simple mistake can have such huge consequences.

(Although, to a CT, any huge consequence must be the result of careful behind-the-scenes planning.)

 

[aggle-rithm]

Oh, since you posted a cherry picked quote you think you've won? Oh yeah, I forgot. You think that this:
[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_P200061-1.jpg[/qimg]
came from one of these:
[qimg]http://precisionconversions.com/images/test_flight_04.jpg[/qimg]
It is possible it came from a 757 cargo carrier, although I'm not sure how he can tell the difference.

 

[I Ratant]

I remember seeing something about a flight where a maintenance worker left a piece of tape on the vent leading to the barometer...the altimeter didn't work properly, and the pilot flew into the terrain because of the faulty readings. Scary how such a simple mistake can have such huge consequences.

(Although, to a CT, any huge consequence must be the result of careful behind-the-scenes planning.)

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Not uncommon.
A B-2 was lost on Guam for a similar reason.
Improper removal of ice on the pneumatic system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCp5h1gK2Q
The plane that hit the 14th Street bridge in DC was improperly deiced.
The plumbing on the static (altitude) and total (airspeed) pressure systems is intentionally made to use different sized connectors so one can't be plumbed into the other, but there's still guys that will do it.

 

[wargord]

Oh, since you posted a cherry picked quote you think you've won? Oh yeah, I forgot. You think that this:
[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_P200061-1.jpg[/qimg]
came from one of these:
[qimg]http://precisionconversions.com/images/test_flight_04.jpg[/qimg]

It is possible it came from a 757 cargo carrier, although I'm not sure how he can tell the difference.

A 757 cargo carrier lacks passenger windows and doors.

 

[George 152]

This would be by feet above sea level, and it is measured with a simple barometric altimeter.

and over a certain altitude the barometric altimeter is set at 29.92 inches mercury (or its Millibar equivalent) worldwide.

 

[jammonius]

Indeed. When talking to people like jammonius who are impervious to reason, the only thing that is left is this.

jammonius, you think you're right? Then convince somebody who can actually DO something about it that you're not just some nut endlessly debating an untenable position on a relatively obscure internet forum.

What else is there to say?

twinstead,

As to your ending question the answer is: Not much.

The board can either recognize and deal with the need for accountability in the board's one by ones and two by twos or not as the board sees fit.

You are quite right to place the discussion in the context of the audience and the relatively small number of people who access this information.

With that said, what about you, twinstead? Are you going to do something now that it is clear that the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 to such a painfully obvious degree that it will not ever be possible to confirm what did or did not happen in Shanksville on 9/11?