Flight 93

[jammonius]

Showing again you've done no research what so ever. The recorded radar tracks are independent of any of that (you'd know this if you cared to).

dgm,

Supporters of the common myth do not bother to either answer questions or deal with contradictions. On pg12, alone, common myth supporters refused to give a clear answer to:

1--Does United have FL93 wreckage?
2--Is wreckage available for inspection?

Supporters also refused to deal with FBI as a criminal investigation moving NTSB aside on one hand and disposing of evidence improperly on the other.

So, with those queries and issue, respectively, sitting out there unanswered and unaddressed, there is little point in asking you, dgm, to source your claim that:

"(t)he recorded radar tracks are independent of [military exercises and simulated hijackings]"

While my request you source that claim is almost certainly not going to be answered, I will put it out there anyway:

Source your claim, dgm, and post up relevant excerpts from the source(s).

 

[aggle-rithm]

More evidence of jammonius' abysmal research skills.

In the post immediately above, for instance, beachnut has reposted the photograph of the cargo carrier that beachnut wants desparately to be a fragment of a Boeing 757. One can look at that piece of tin and tell that it is not from a jetliner. And, what is more, beachnut can't find any source cofirming that piece of tin is from a jetliner. None.

The debris photo is shrunk down and superimposed on a picture of a Boeing 757 for scale.

 

[jammonius]

More evidence of jammonius' abysmal research skills.



The debris photo is shrunk down and superimposed on a picture of a Boeing 757 for scale.

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Your picture is a) fake; b) the cargo carrier windows don't match those in your picture in either shape or aspect ratio and c) that comparison was almost certainly not done by anyone having any official duty to investigate the alleged crash of FL 93.

Were I you, I'd retract the above photo. The common myth is not advanced by using fake pictures that don't even having matching window shapes!

 

[beachnut]

Your picture is a) fake; b) the cargo carrier windows don't match those in your picture in either shape or aspect ratio and c) that comparison was almost certainly not done by anyone having any official duty to investigate the alleged crash of FL 93.

Were I you, I'd retract the above photo. The common myth is not advanced by using fake pictures that don't even having matching window shapes, no less.

Your delusions, take them to the police. That will be a big laugh, and you can stay in the mental hospital until you recover from your delusions of Beam Weapons and no Planes on 911. All your evidence point to insanity.
See if the police will let you post while you are being held for observation and tell us how much they laughed at your failed ideas.
Too chicken to tell the police of your discovery?

 

[bill smith]

That photo makes you see what an eggshell the whole thing was.

 

[jammonius]

hokulele,

OK, now that I have run through a fair number of imagined shirtless scenarios, let me ask whether you've kept abreast (pun intended) of the posts of others? Have you seen, for instance, beachnut's posting, yet again of his plane debris photo that shows no debris and only shows three pink circles as the most prominent features? Did you see that?

Did you also see that beachnut has added a photo of what looks like a wheel cover from, say, a 1972 Plymouth, and called it a jet engine? (The wheel cover is smaller than that small cherry-picker in the photo).

Did you see Big Al's musings about how he would deal with the fact that KSM was tortured?

Did you see agglerithm's reference to the word "plethora" when he meant "dearth"?

Finally, I'd ask you to take a look at that fake picture that clearly shows that the apparent windows of what I think is a cargo carrier do not come close to having the same shape or size as the jetliner windows in that fake photo?

I'm here assuming I'd better repost that photo before agglerithm comes to his/her senses and takes it down. This photo is evidence of how poor the evidence of the common myth is. That cargo carrier debris does not come from a jetliner and this photo certainly casts doubt on the claim that the debris matches the jetliner:

 

[Unsecured Coins]

That photo makes you see what an eggshell the whole thing was.

 

[Hokulele]

hokulele,

So, no explanation of what you mean by "a regular court"?

 

[beachnut]

hokulele,

Did you also see that beachnut has added a photo of what looks like a wheel cover from, say, a 1972 Plymouth, and called it a jet engine? (The wheel cover is smaller than that small cherry-picker in the photo).

When will you insult the victims families with your moronic delusions.;

Fuselage is a horse-trailer - epic fail
Jet engine is a Plymouth wheel cover - super epic fail

A wheel cover with titanium blades. Good one. Not sure if you can make a dumber analysis than that! You win, you make the dumbest junk up. Real smart of you.

How delusional can you get? Beam weapons, what next?

 

[jammonius]

So, no explanation of what you mean by "a regular court"?

In the context of KSM, 'regular court' has reference to the United States District Court, of which there is at least one in every State and Territory of the US. Currently, KSM is supposed to be tried in the one in NYC, but the backpedaling on that is ferocious right now, such that I do not think he will be tried there and it is not at all clear whether he will be tried in a US District Court aka 'regular court' located anywhere else. I hear Chicago has been mentioned as an alternative. Presumably, since Chicago doesn't like being referred to as 'Second City' (let alone Third), in comparison to New York, KSM can get a fair trial in Chicago since, after all, he didn't single handedly crash imaginary jetliners into either the Sears Tower or one of the other Chicago skyscrapers and didn't cause them to instantaneously disintegrate in less than 10 secondss, so, in Chicago, KSM may be able to get an impartial jury, or so the thinking probably doesn't go.

There has been wide spread reporting of consideration being given to trying KSM either in a district court away from NYC, in a military tribunal, a court martial, a kangaroo court or no court at all, depending upon which thread, discussion board, msm radio station or teevee channel or tea bag rally one may have watched, listened to, posted on, attended and so forth.

Clear?

 

[Hokulele]

In the context of KSM, 'regular court' has reference to the United States District Court, of which there is at least one in every State and Territory of the US. Currently, KSM is supposed to be tried in the one in NYC, but the backpedaling on that is ferocious right now, such that I do not think he will be tried there and it is not at all clear whether he will be tried in a US District Court aka 'regular court.'

There has been wide spread reporting of consideration being given to trying KSM either in a district court away from NYC, in a military tribunal, a court martial, a kangaroo court or no court at all, depending upon which thread, discussion board, msm radio station or teevee channel or tea bag rally one may have watched, listened to, posted on, attended and so forth.

Clear?

Ah, so Moussaoui was tried in "a regular court", according to you. Thanks.

 

[I Ratant]

That photo makes you see what an eggshell the whole thing was.

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All planes are as tender as eggshells.
They have to be, to be light enough to fly.
In less violent impacts, the wreckage looks like confetti spread around.
Large confetti, sometimes heavy, but not designed nor intended to survive very high speed impacts.
There's no mystery involved at all, just engineering.
Strong enough to survive a reasonable period as a plane, yet not so strong (heavy) as to be uneconomical to operate.
Most of these airliners get to the end of their useful lives in one piece, as the amount of stress during normal operations is allowed for in the design.
When the airframe reaches its structural time limit, it's retired, and becomes pots and pans and Toyotas...
Just a hop-skip-and-jump from here.. the final destination of many passenger jets..

 

[I Ratant]

When will you insult the victims families with your moronic delusions.;

Fuselage is a horse-trailer - epic fail
Jet engine is a Plymouth wheel cover - super epic fail

A wheel cover with titanium blades. Good one. Not sure if you can make a dumber analysis than that! You win, you make the dumbest junk up. Real smart of you.

How delusional can you get? Beam weapons, what next?

.
There's no lower limit to abject stupidity.
Mixed with insanity, who can say where the victim will be swanning off to.

 

[beachnut]

In the context of KSM, 'regular court' has reference to the United States District Court, of which there is at least one in every State and Territory of the US. Currently, KSM is supposed to be tried in the one in NYC, but the backpedaling on that is ferocious right now, such that I do not think he will be tried there and it is not at all clear whether he will be tried in a US District Court aka 'regular court' located anywhere else. I hear Chicago has been mentioned as an alternative. Presumably, since Chicago doesn't like being referred to as 'Second City' (let alone Third), in comparison to New York, KSM can get a fair trial in Chicago since, after all, he didn't single handedly crash imaginary jetliners into either the Sears Tower or one of the other Chicago skyscrapers and didn't cause them to instantaneously disintegrate in less than 10 secondss, so, in Chicago, KSM may be able to get an impartial jury, or so the thinking probably doesn't go.

There has been wide spread reporting of consideration being given to trying KSM either in a district court away from NYC, in a military tribunal, a court martial, a kangaroo court or no court at all, depending upon which thread, discussion board, msm radio station or teevee channel or tea bag rally one may have watched, listened to, posted on, attended and so forth.

Clear?

Off topic delusions. Why do you post junk off topic?

Jet engine is a wheel cover; does you mom know you are on the computer posting lies?

KSM is you buddy? Good for you.

http://911debunker.livejournal.com/7467.html

 

[jammonius]

When will you insult the victims families with your moronic delusions.;

Fuselage is a horse-trailer - epic fail
Jet engine is a Plymouth wheel cover - super epic fail

A wheel cover with titanium blades. Good one. Not sure if you can make a dumber analysis than that! You win, you make the dumbest junk up. Real smart of you.

How delusional can you get? Beam weapons, what next?

beachnut,

As I think you know, I enjoy discussion back and forth with you It is not my practice to engage in personal put downs, especially those that question the sanity of others, and I am not going to do so now, either.

I do want to point out, however, that the need to confirm and support the common myth has certainly taken a strong hold on you. This is evident in your ability to see jetliner debris in a photograph that shows none. You have now extended this to being able to see a jet engine that can fit inside a small cherry-picker and to see titanium where only rust, consistent with a worn out wheel cover can be seen.

Needless to say, the normal way of resolving such matters is for NTSB to analyze the wreckage and post findings. That was not done in re FL 93, so the argument here is just between us citizens. Those who represented Zacarias Moussaoui apparently did not contest the way the content of the cherry picker photo was described, let alone post obvious objections to it, but that doesn't turn a wheel cover into a jet engine, beachnut.

Let's assume you will continue to see a jet engine where I see a wheel cover. Would you agree with me that neither of us has a source we can turn to that has already officially resolved that issue?

 

[jammonius]

Off topic delusions. Why do you post junk off topic?

Jet engine is a wheel cover; does you mom know you are on the computer posting lies?

KSM is you buddy? Good for you.

http://911debunker.livejournal.com/7467.html

Hey beachnut, I was having a pleasant conversation with hokulele, answering her question. Don't butt in here, please. I want a little space, buddy.

 

[beachnut]

beachnut,

As I think you know, I enjoy discussion back and forth with you It is not my practice to engage in personal put downs, especially those that question the sanity of others, and I am not going to do so now, either.

I do want to point out, however, that the need to confirm and support the common myth has certainly taken a strong hold on you. This is evident in your ability to see jetliner debris in a photograph that shows none. You have now extended this to being able to see a jet engine that can fit inside a small cherry-picker and to see titanium where only rust, consistent with a worn out wheel cover can be seen.

Needless to say, the normal way of resolving such matters is for NTSB to analyze the wreckage and post findings. That was not done in re FL 93, so the argument here is just between us citizens. Those who represented Zacarias Moussaoui apparently did not contest the way the content of the cherry picker photo was described, let alone post obvious objections to it, but that doesn't turn a wheel cover into a jet engine, beachnut.

Let's assume you will continue to see a jet engine where I see a wheel cover. Would you agree with me that neither of us has a source we can turn to that has already officially resolved that issue?

If you identify a jet engine as a wheel cover you may be insane and full of delusions. Your problem, not my problem. Go to the police with your discover, are you too chicken to do the right thing; too lazy, too full of idiotic delusions to take action?

If you see a wheel cover you are insane. That is a fact; or you are a big lair;

You pick; which is it, insane, or a liar?

http://911debunker.livejournal.com/7467.html

I have to say, I can see some blades too. Does your mommies Plymouth have 1000 pound wheel covers, with titanium blades? lol

A wheel cover; rule out aircraft accident investigation for your future job.

 

[jammonius]

Ah, so Moussaoui was tried in "a regular court", according to you. Thanks.

Moussaoui proceedings took place in the District Court in Virginia. No trial took place, as Moussaoui copped a plea. The judge, Judge Brinkema, almost suspended the trial numerous times because of various forms of prosecutorial misconduct and who was highly critical of the conduct of the prosecution. In the end, however, Moussaoui got a life sentence and the prosecution got to list trial exhibits that show just how weak the information supporting the common myth of 9/11 is.

Mind you, the public doesn't need evidence to be convinced of the accuracy of the 9/11 myth. Almost any old set of photographs showing an empty hole here, an explosion there, a jetliner gliding through a steel building from nose cone to tail, wing-tip to wing-tip just as though the plane were made out of solid steel, and not constructed to be as lightweight as possible, as Iratant describes it right here on this page at post #492.

But hey, contradiction in 9/11 doesn't matter, hokulele, and reason is not important.

 

[beachnut]

Moussaoui proceedings took place in the District Court in Virginia. No trial took place, as Moussaoui copped a plea. The judge, Judge Brinkema, almost suspended the trial numerous times because of various forms of prosecutorial misconduct and who was highly critical of the conduct of the prosecution. In the end, however, Moussaoui got a life sentence and the prosecution got to list trial exhibits that show just how weak the information supporting the common myth of 9/11 is.

....

Source? Where is the source for your stuff?

Moussaoui said he was guilty, so you say he is innocent. Good job, Moussaoui says 911 happened, and you say BEAM WEAPONS.

You terrorist supporters need to get on the same page with your terrorists buddies, they are proud they did 911 like you are proud of posting lies like a jet engine is a wheel cover.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Your picture is a) fake; b) the cargo carrier windows don't match those in your picture in either shape or aspect ratio and c) that comparison was almost certainly not done by anyone having any official duty to investigate the alleged crash of FL 93.

Were I you, I'd retract the above photo. The common myth is not advanced by using fake pictures that don't even having matching window shapes!

Idiot,

The windows in the debris are A) distorted by being in a plane crash, and B) viewed from an angle.

The spacing and width are the two aspects that are important here.